Yes, but having a child isn't exactly cheap either. You have to pay for all of the prenatal care and labor/delivery fees. Then, if you have invitro, depending on number/type of treatments your bills can easily climbs far into the thousands. Also, with the increased chances of multiple births resulting from invitro you have to worry about much larger medical bills for the lower birth weight babies that are more often born as a part of a multiple birth. "The average charges for the surviving infants born at less than 28 weeks gestation or with a birth weight less than 1,250 g exceeded $240,000. Costs declined significantly with increasing gestational age and birth weight, to an average of around $5,000 for term infants with normal birth weights." http://nsweb.nursingspectrum.com/NurseNewsEzine/NINR/item.cfm?ID=199
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candi
Cathlete
It's very sad that there are many adoptable children out there that need homes. I guess it's all about your point of view.
Also, all we see is the article and how things appear on TV. No one really knows what goes on in anyone's household unless they live there.
Again, the realist in me speaking.
Also, all we see is the article and how things appear on TV. No one really knows what goes on in anyone's household unless they live there.
Again, the realist in me speaking.
pink_fortitude
Banned
Dallas:
No, it is not about laundry. It is about asking the Lord for strength and help and rejoicing in the hard times as well as the good times. She found someone to help her with her laundry (can you imagine how much laundry six kids provide, let alone 16!) and how God takes care of us if only we ask him to. I just checked out the website seconds ago. You ought to, too.
Missy
ETA right on, Fitmom! :7
No, it is not about laundry. It is about asking the Lord for strength and help and rejoicing in the hard times as well as the good times. She found someone to help her with her laundry (can you imagine how much laundry six kids provide, let alone 16!) and how God takes care of us if only we ask him to. I just checked out the website seconds ago. You ought to, too.
Missy
ETA right on, Fitmom! :7
lindadrobinson
Cathlete
I am not being negative, but REAL.
Why would anyone go on a TV Show, do national TV interviews, plug their internet site if not for publicity and monies down the way. This is AMERICA, the most capitalistic country around. Look at the reality tv shows on television, that actually CONSUMES folks minds, that they are too stupid to even sit down and watch the evening news, let alone even discuss domestic or world problems, policy etc. I stated if she likes it, I love it. And God Bless her, really and truly.
Finally, dear heart, you do not get national exposure for all to see without a pot at the end of the rainbow, sorry it just does not work like that. Just like all the women that have 5, 6, 7, 8 babies at once and hope/want a larger house, 2 years of diapers free, 5 years of baby food free, etc. it is the same thing. Only dressed in a different package....and again God Bless her and her family. And good luck!!!
Linda
"We may encounter many defeats but we must not be defeated."
Maya Angelou
Why would anyone go on a TV Show, do national TV interviews, plug their internet site if not for publicity and monies down the way. This is AMERICA, the most capitalistic country around. Look at the reality tv shows on television, that actually CONSUMES folks minds, that they are too stupid to even sit down and watch the evening news, let alone even discuss domestic or world problems, policy etc. I stated if she likes it, I love it. And God Bless her, really and truly.
Finally, dear heart, you do not get national exposure for all to see without a pot at the end of the rainbow, sorry it just does not work like that. Just like all the women that have 5, 6, 7, 8 babies at once and hope/want a larger house, 2 years of diapers free, 5 years of baby food free, etc. it is the same thing. Only dressed in a different package....and again God Bless her and her family. And good luck!!!
Linda
"We may encounter many defeats but we must not be defeated."
Maya Angelou
Bobbi
Cathlete
Thank you, Dallas. Would you be surpeised to know that I end up teary-eyed looking for cards for my mom? 
And yet they are never quite good enough for her? And I do tell her because the other thing about her is she is so unaware of how amazing she is, so modest and humble. You have heard, no doubt the expression shrinking violet, meaning a shy person? Her name is Violet Maxine. It suits her so well since she modset and reserved to the point of painfulness outside of her brood. And Maxine means strong and she is that too and I have always loved that. That someone so incredibly gentle could be so remarkably capable of being a presence in our lives so powerful she has helped many of us get through very difficult times simply by being so accepting, wise and loving. And you are absolutely right! I DO need to call her. I am overdo. Thanks for reminding me!
Bobbi http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif "Chick's rule!"
Tell me, what it is you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? -Mary Oliver
And yet they are never quite good enough for her? And I do tell her because the other thing about her is she is so unaware of how amazing she is, so modest and humble. You have heard, no doubt the expression shrinking violet, meaning a shy person? Her name is Violet Maxine. It suits her so well since she modset and reserved to the point of painfulness outside of her brood. And Maxine means strong and she is that too and I have always loved that. That someone so incredibly gentle could be so remarkably capable of being a presence in our lives so powerful she has helped many of us get through very difficult times simply by being so accepting, wise and loving. And you are absolutely right! I DO need to call her. I am overdo. Thanks for reminding me! Bobbi http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif "Chick's rule!"
Tell me, what it is you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? -Mary Oliver
cwsoxfan
Cathlete
Missy ~ Thanks for the heads up on their web site. I'm so glad that I read that for myself!
Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar Family: www.jimbob.info/
Bobbi ~ Did you call your mom? You're so lucky to still have her in your life. I miss my mom terribly. OK, it's making me too sad for words right now. Your mom sounds wonderful!
Dallas
Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar Family: www.jimbob.info/
Bobbi ~ Did you call your mom? You're so lucky to still have her in your life. I miss my mom terribly. OK, it's making me too sad for words right now. Your mom sounds wonderful!
Dallas
Bobbi
Cathlete
I wonder how large families work in this fast paced world of today. How can they afford all the nifty gadgets out there now? We lived modestly and didn't get PS 2 games or ask for both a digital camera and an iPod as my oldest has, quilifying that by saying if she had to pick one or the other...
We got gifts at Christmas and on birthdays and didn't ask every time we hit the store. We had to take turns going to the store. I have decided it's much less expensive to shop on my own since bringing a child means I am going to be hit up for something. My oldest does a thing I call upping the ante. She asks for one thing and then goes about getting something better and very sneakily too. It was far from common back then to have a huge family the kind that made a family of 6 or 8 look small; but there were a number of families, 2 come to mind, and both had 13 kids and we lived in a small town. What's up with the number 13, which I like a lot, in spite of it's bad rep.
Ali is off to college in a year and I wonder if I can quit saying that I may need to get rid of her since I can't afford her? My mom called that having champagne taste on a beer budget. And my mom is a whiz with money too. I stink at finances. I got that gene from my dad, I think.
I haven't called her yet but today is the day. Our exchange student left yesterday and I cleaned and put everyone back where they belong. it took hours. I am writing her a love letter this morning. I just did that with the husband and he loved it and is all mooney over me right now.
Bobbi http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif "Chick's rule!"
Tell me, what it is you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? -Mary Oliver
We got gifts at Christmas and on birthdays and didn't ask every time we hit the store. We had to take turns going to the store.
I have decided it's much less expensive to shop on my own since bringing a child means I am going to be hit up for something. My oldest does a thing I call upping the ante. She asks for one thing and then goes about getting something better and very sneakily too. It was far from common back then to have a huge family the kind that made a family of 6 or 8 look small; but there were a number of families, 2 come to mind, and both had 13 kids and we lived in a small town. What's up with the number 13, which I like a lot, in spite of it's bad rep. Ali is off to college in a year and I wonder if I can quit saying that I may need to get rid of her since I can't afford her? My mom called that having champagne taste on a beer budget.
And my mom is a whiz with money too. I stink at finances. I got that gene from my dad, I think. I haven't called her yet but today is the day. Our exchange student left yesterday and I cleaned and put everyone back where they belong. it took hours. I am writing her a love letter this morning. I just did that with the husband and he loved it and is all mooney over me right now.
Bobbi http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif "Chick's rule!"
Tell me, what it is you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? -Mary Oliver
CathydsRNA
Cathlete
In today's disastrous environmental climate, this is
>downright unethical and immoral.
>
I think so too. I also hope they have the money for a college education for each of them as that is what one minimally needs now a days and more so in the future to make a decent living...and not scholarship money or good will money because the family is so big. I hate it when companies contribute money and supplies to help very large families just because the families are so large. It was the family's choice, even in multiple births when the drugs and treatments moms of large multiple births have to take come with the side effct of multiple births. Chances are that childhood is lost for many of these kids because they lose a lot of Mom and Dad's time and have to take on resposibilities that are way above the responsibilities a child should have to take on.
>downright unethical and immoral.
>
I think so too. I also hope they have the money for a college education for each of them as that is what one minimally needs now a days and more so in the future to make a decent living...and not scholarship money or good will money because the family is so big. I hate it when companies contribute money and supplies to help very large families just because the families are so large. It was the family's choice, even in multiple births when the drugs and treatments moms of large multiple births have to take come with the side effct of multiple births. Chances are that childhood is lost for many of these kids because they lose a lot of Mom and Dad's time and have to take on resposibilities that are way above the responsibilities a child should have to take on.
"It was the family's choice, even in multiple births when the drugs and treatments moms of large multiple births have to take come with the side effct of multiple births."
I disagree with this. I seriously doubt that anyone undergoing fertility treatments plans on having a large order multiple birth. When that does happen, it's such a rare occurrence and that is why it gets so much media attention. I don't think it's fair to say that the family chose the situation.
Erica
I disagree with this. I seriously doubt that anyone undergoing fertility treatments plans on having a large order multiple birth. When that does happen, it's such a rare occurrence and that is why it gets so much media attention. I don't think it's fair to say that the family chose the situation.
Erica
CathydsRNA
Cathlete
I am talking about embryo implantation and drugs that induce extra eggs to be released during ovulation and its common not rare. Look at the statistics. Women on fertility drugs or treatments are told by their doctor that there is a greatly increased chance of multiple births and so they better plan on it.Here is a review article. I will post stats later.
Multiple births are often seen by the media as miracles, but the majority owe more to science than to chance.
The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority estimates that at least half of all sets of triplets born in the UK were born as a result of IVF treatment.
And the number is rising year on year. The multiple birth rate has increased from 22.4% in 1995-1996 to 32.2% in the last year.
Fertility doctors are worried at what they see as an unwanted side effect of IVF.
Risky
Multiple births can be risky. The uterus is only capable of carrying, feeding and providing oxygen for a certain amount of foetuses.
This increases the likelihood of babies being born prematurely, developing health problems or dying.
Even twins are more likely to suffer birth defects, such as blindness and cerebral palsy, and are less likely to survive than single births.
To reduce the risks, doctors try to get mothers to have the babies one at a time, but this is not possible in all cases.
In some multiple pregnancies, doctors may recommend that some of the embryos be aborted so that the others have more chance of survival because they have more space to develop.
Professor Ian Craft of the London Gynaecology and Fertility Centre said: "Women who are pregnant with three or more babies can either accept the advice to have just one healthy baby or go for fold and see if they can have them all.
"But there is a high chance of major problems."
Drugs
The most common fertility treatment is drugs which produce extra eggs.
Most women produce only one egg per monthly cycle.
Doctors can increase this number to more than 20, but most prefer to put a limit of two or three because of the risks of multiple births.
Doctors believe multiple births are an unwanted side effects of fertility treatment
The eggs are fertilised in a test tube and doctors normally return the embryos to the womb and wait to see if they develop.
Many doctors are worried that they are being put under increasing pressure to use more of the fertility drugs to produce more eggs and so increase the chance of the woman getting pregnant.
US research shows people undergoing fertility treatment would prefer to have multiple births than have no children.
This is despite reports that those who have multiple births are more likely to suffer depression, anxiety and emotional problems and more prone to divorce.
Too many multiple births
In its recent annual report, the HFEA warns that there are "too many" multiple births occurring as a result of fertility treatment.
Ruth Deech, chairman of the HFEA, said: "Multiple births can be the source of much stress and anxiety for parents.
"There is a greater risk of complications or even miscarriage, as well as long-term disability, and they can cause considerable emotional and financial pressure.
"People undergoing IVF treatment should be aware that as the technique becomes more successful, so the risk of a multiple birth increases."
The HFEA, which regulates and licenses fertility clinics under the 1990 Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act, is monitoring developments concerning multiple births.
See also:
21 Dec 98 | Americas
Octuplets critical
15 Dec 98 | Health
Controversy over fertility wonder technique
23 Oct 98 | Health
Fertility clinic director defends licence to chill
15 Dec 98 | Health
Genetic concerns over fertility treatment
31 Mar 99 | Health
IVF: the drawbacks
Internet links:
Fertility treatment
Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act
Multiple births
The BBC is not responsible for the content of external internet sites
Top Medical notes stories now:
A-Z explainer
Links to more Medical notes stories are at the foot of the page.
Multiple births are often seen by the media as miracles, but the majority owe more to science than to chance.
The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority estimates that at least half of all sets of triplets born in the UK were born as a result of IVF treatment.
And the number is rising year on year. The multiple birth rate has increased from 22.4% in 1995-1996 to 32.2% in the last year.
Fertility doctors are worried at what they see as an unwanted side effect of IVF.
Risky
Multiple births can be risky. The uterus is only capable of carrying, feeding and providing oxygen for a certain amount of foetuses.
This increases the likelihood of babies being born prematurely, developing health problems or dying.
Even twins are more likely to suffer birth defects, such as blindness and cerebral palsy, and are less likely to survive than single births.
To reduce the risks, doctors try to get mothers to have the babies one at a time, but this is not possible in all cases.
In some multiple pregnancies, doctors may recommend that some of the embryos be aborted so that the others have more chance of survival because they have more space to develop.
Professor Ian Craft of the London Gynaecology and Fertility Centre said: "Women who are pregnant with three or more babies can either accept the advice to have just one healthy baby or go for fold and see if they can have them all.
"But there is a high chance of major problems."
Drugs
The most common fertility treatment is drugs which produce extra eggs.
Most women produce only one egg per monthly cycle.
Doctors can increase this number to more than 20, but most prefer to put a limit of two or three because of the risks of multiple births.
Doctors believe multiple births are an unwanted side effects of fertility treatment
The eggs are fertilised in a test tube and doctors normally return the embryos to the womb and wait to see if they develop.
Many doctors are worried that they are being put under increasing pressure to use more of the fertility drugs to produce more eggs and so increase the chance of the woman getting pregnant.
US research shows people undergoing fertility treatment would prefer to have multiple births than have no children.
This is despite reports that those who have multiple births are more likely to suffer depression, anxiety and emotional problems and more prone to divorce.
Too many multiple births
In its recent annual report, the HFEA warns that there are "too many" multiple births occurring as a result of fertility treatment.
Ruth Deech, chairman of the HFEA, said: "Multiple births can be the source of much stress and anxiety for parents.
"There is a greater risk of complications or even miscarriage, as well as long-term disability, and they can cause considerable emotional and financial pressure.
"People undergoing IVF treatment should be aware that as the technique becomes more successful, so the risk of a multiple birth increases."
The HFEA, which regulates and licenses fertility clinics under the 1990 Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act, is monitoring developments concerning multiple births.
See also:
21 Dec 98 | Americas
Octuplets critical
15 Dec 98 | Health
Controversy over fertility wonder technique
23 Oct 98 | Health
Fertility clinic director defends licence to chill
15 Dec 98 | Health
Genetic concerns over fertility treatment
31 Mar 99 | Health
IVF: the drawbacks
Internet links:
Fertility treatment
Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act
Multiple births
The BBC is not responsible for the content of external internet sites
Top Medical notes stories now:
A-Z explainer
Links to more Medical notes stories are at the foot of the page.
CathydsRNA
Cathlete
Here are some stats and an article with stats referenced.
The odds of having twins or multiples with no fertility intervention is 1/250 or 0.4% chance.
The odds of having multiples with fertility intervention =1/4 or a 25% chance.
Fertility drugs increase the chances of multiples by 62.5% . (25%/0.4%)
This is not an uncommon side effect.
Here is the Article:
How common are twins and other multiple pregnancies?
More and more common over the past two decades, largely because more women are taking fertility drugs and turning to treatments such as in vitro fertilization (IVF) to help them conceive. Most fertility treatments increase a woman's chance of having fraternal, or dizygotic, twins (when two eggs are fertilized by two different sperm) or higher multiples (case in point: the 1997 Iowa septuplets).
And while about 95 percent of multiple pregnancies are still twins and the twins birth rate is going up, the rate at which women are having higher multiples has been increasing even faster. Between 1980 and 1999, the rate of twin births in the United States rose by 53 percent (a woman's likelihood of conceiving twins these days is about 1 in 33). During this same period, the rate of triplets and higher multiple births went up by 400 percent (it's about 1 in 555).
Meanwhile, the likelihood of having identical, or monozygotic, twins (when one fertilized egg divides in half) has remained steady at about 1 in 250. Identical twins happen by chance and are not thought to be affected by fertility treatments. Historically, about a third of all twins shared the same genes. As of 2001, only about 12 percent of twins born in the U.S. were identical, and that number is likely to shrink even more as the proportion of fraternal twins continues to increase.
I'm taking a fertility drug. Am I likely to have more than one baby?
While it's not a sure thing, prepare yourself for the possibility. Nowadays, most women who give birth to triplets or more have undergone some type of fertility treatment. Here's why:
Fertility drugs stimulate your ovaries, increasing the odds that you'll release several eggs at the same time. On average, 20 to 25 percent of women taking gonadotropin-releasing hormone (Pergonal) will become pregnant with twins or more, for example. Chances are about the same if you get pregnant through IVF, because several embryos will be inserted into your womb to increase the odds that you'll conceive. Other fertility techniques such as GIFT (gamete intrafallopian transfer) and ZIFT (zygote intrafallopian transfer) are also more likely to result in multiple-baby pregnancies. On its own, IUI (intrauterine insemination), where sperm are injected into a woman's uterus with a syringe, is the only fertility treatment that doesn't increase the chances of conceiving multiples. But most women who undergo IUI also take a fertility drug.
What other factors affect the chances that I'll have twins?
While identical twins happen by chance and occur at the same rate throughout the world, there are several factors that influence your chances of having fraternal twins:
+ Heredity: If twins run in your family, you're more likely to have a set yourself. Your partner's family history doesn't appear to affect your odds of having twins.
+ Age: The older you are, the higher your chances of having fraternal twins or higher multiples. Some studies indicate that this may be due to the fact that older women tend to produce higher levels of ovulation-stimulating hormones, but other studies do not support the connection.
+ Race: Twins are more common than average in African Americans and less common in Hispanics and Asians.
+ Nutrition: Being well nourished increases your chances of having twins and being mal-nourished decreases your chances.
+ Number of pregnancies: The more pregnancies you've had, the greater your chances of having twins. In fact, by your fourth or fifth pregnancy, your likelihood of having twins is four times higher than it was for your first pregnancy.
+ History of twins: Once you have a set of fraternal twins, you're twice as likely to have another set in future pregnancies.
That's what happened to Geri Martin Wilson. Less than three years after she gave birth to twins Natalie and Tyler (conceived with the help of the fertility drug Clomid), she got pregnant again, this time without fertility drugs. At her ultrasound, her doctor told her she was carrying another set of twins. She was shocked. "I just leaned on the ultrasound table and said, 'What are the odds of that happening?'" she recalls. It was another set of boy and girl twins, Joshua and Emma.
The odds of having twins or multiples with no fertility intervention is 1/250 or 0.4% chance.
The odds of having multiples with fertility intervention =1/4 or a 25% chance.
Fertility drugs increase the chances of multiples by 62.5% . (25%/0.4%)
This is not an uncommon side effect.
Here is the Article:
How common are twins and other multiple pregnancies?
More and more common over the past two decades, largely because more women are taking fertility drugs and turning to treatments such as in vitro fertilization (IVF) to help them conceive. Most fertility treatments increase a woman's chance of having fraternal, or dizygotic, twins (when two eggs are fertilized by two different sperm) or higher multiples (case in point: the 1997 Iowa septuplets).
And while about 95 percent of multiple pregnancies are still twins and the twins birth rate is going up, the rate at which women are having higher multiples has been increasing even faster. Between 1980 and 1999, the rate of twin births in the United States rose by 53 percent (a woman's likelihood of conceiving twins these days is about 1 in 33). During this same period, the rate of triplets and higher multiple births went up by 400 percent (it's about 1 in 555).
Meanwhile, the likelihood of having identical, or monozygotic, twins (when one fertilized egg divides in half) has remained steady at about 1 in 250. Identical twins happen by chance and are not thought to be affected by fertility treatments. Historically, about a third of all twins shared the same genes. As of 2001, only about 12 percent of twins born in the U.S. were identical, and that number is likely to shrink even more as the proportion of fraternal twins continues to increase.
I'm taking a fertility drug. Am I likely to have more than one baby?
While it's not a sure thing, prepare yourself for the possibility. Nowadays, most women who give birth to triplets or more have undergone some type of fertility treatment. Here's why:
Fertility drugs stimulate your ovaries, increasing the odds that you'll release several eggs at the same time. On average, 20 to 25 percent of women taking gonadotropin-releasing hormone (Pergonal) will become pregnant with twins or more, for example. Chances are about the same if you get pregnant through IVF, because several embryos will be inserted into your womb to increase the odds that you'll conceive. Other fertility techniques such as GIFT (gamete intrafallopian transfer) and ZIFT (zygote intrafallopian transfer) are also more likely to result in multiple-baby pregnancies. On its own, IUI (intrauterine insemination), where sperm are injected into a woman's uterus with a syringe, is the only fertility treatment that doesn't increase the chances of conceiving multiples. But most women who undergo IUI also take a fertility drug.
What other factors affect the chances that I'll have twins?
While identical twins happen by chance and occur at the same rate throughout the world, there are several factors that influence your chances of having fraternal twins:
+ Heredity: If twins run in your family, you're more likely to have a set yourself. Your partner's family history doesn't appear to affect your odds of having twins.
+ Age: The older you are, the higher your chances of having fraternal twins or higher multiples. Some studies indicate that this may be due to the fact that older women tend to produce higher levels of ovulation-stimulating hormones, but other studies do not support the connection.
+ Race: Twins are more common than average in African Americans and less common in Hispanics and Asians.
+ Nutrition: Being well nourished increases your chances of having twins and being mal-nourished decreases your chances.
+ Number of pregnancies: The more pregnancies you've had, the greater your chances of having twins. In fact, by your fourth or fifth pregnancy, your likelihood of having twins is four times higher than it was for your first pregnancy.
+ History of twins: Once you have a set of fraternal twins, you're twice as likely to have another set in future pregnancies.
That's what happened to Geri Martin Wilson. Less than three years after she gave birth to twins Natalie and Tyler (conceived with the help of the fertility drug Clomid), she got pregnant again, this time without fertility drugs. At her ultrasound, her doctor told her she was carrying another set of twins. She was shocked. "I just leaned on the ultrasound table and said, 'What are the odds of that happening?'" she recalls. It was another set of boy and girl twins, Joshua and Emma.
"I am talking about embryo implantation and drugs that induce extra eggs to be released during ovulation and its common not rare."
According to the articles you posted, the chance of having multiple births with fertility treatments is 25% and, out of those multiple births only 5% will be triplets or more. Then, you have to also consider the fact that most fertility cycles are unsuccessful anyway. The odds of getting pregnant per cycle are always against you. So, when a couple undergoes a cycle with fertility drugs, the odds of them ending up with a higher order multiple birth are very, very small.
I would hardly call it "common" for fertility treatments to result in a mulitiple birth with triplets or above. Personally, I know many couples who have undergone fertility treatments to have children. None of them have more than twins, most had single births and some were never successful. As for me, I went through countless infertility treatments which resulted in one single birth and one twin birth, but also many, many unsuccessful cycles - probably 20-25.
Erica
According to the articles you posted, the chance of having multiple births with fertility treatments is 25% and, out of those multiple births only 5% will be triplets or more. Then, you have to also consider the fact that most fertility cycles are unsuccessful anyway. The odds of getting pregnant per cycle are always against you. So, when a couple undergoes a cycle with fertility drugs, the odds of them ending up with a higher order multiple birth are very, very small.
I would hardly call it "common" for fertility treatments to result in a mulitiple birth with triplets or above. Personally, I know many couples who have undergone fertility treatments to have children. None of them have more than twins, most had single births and some were never successful. As for me, I went through countless infertility treatments which resulted in one single birth and one twin birth, but also many, many unsuccessful cycles - probably 20-25.
Erica
CathydsRNA
Cathlete
For the fertility drugs and treatment that result in a successful pregnancy the odds are 1 in 4 that you will have at least a pair of twins and 1 in 15-20 that you will have at least triplets. These are high odds. The chances of having at least triplets is about 15 x higher than a natural pregnancy ending up in twins. Only 1/250 natural pregnancies result in twins and the odds are much lower for triplets or more. Do the arithmetic. Women are told by their reproductive specialists of these risks before they begin treatment. I understand someone with no children wnating to accept these risks and I am not casting judgement on them but I have a problem with multiple birth parents getting monies from the community and companies and universities to support their large families based on a decision the family made. What about parents of smaller families trying to scrap money together trying to make ends meet. They are more deserving in my opinion. Also, I stand by what I said earlier...if you are going to have that many kids, you had better be able to support them on your own including their college education.
"Do the arithmetic"
I did the arithmetic according to the research that you published and it came to 1.25% chance of having triplets are more. That's FAR less than the 1 in 15-20 that you stated in your most recent post and certainly not a common occurrence.
"What about parents of smaller families trying to scrap money together trying to make ends meet. They are more deserving in my opinion."
Why do you think parents of smaller families are more deserving? I feel badly for anyone who can't provide for their families regardless of how those families came about. And, I'm sure that there are more families that had their children without fertility treatments receiving assistance than there are with higher order multiples receiving money.
Erica
I did the arithmetic according to the research that you published and it came to 1.25% chance of having triplets are more. That's FAR less than the 1 in 15-20 that you stated in your most recent post and certainly not a common occurrence.
"What about parents of smaller families trying to scrap money together trying to make ends meet. They are more deserving in my opinion."
Why do you think parents of smaller families are more deserving? I feel badly for anyone who can't provide for their families regardless of how those families came about. And, I'm sure that there are more families that had their children without fertility treatments receiving assistance than there are with higher order multiples receiving money.
Erica
CathydsRNA
Cathlete
I didn't publish the research. I copied the article. The US stats are now 5-7 % of births being at least triplets, a stat you also mentioned in a previous email. 5-7% is 1 in 15-20 births. 1.25% would be just under 1 in every 80 births.
kathryn
Cathlete
>I think so too. I also hope they have the money for a college
>education for each of them as that is what one minimally needs
>now a days and more so in the future to make a decent
>living...and not scholarship money or good will money because
>the family is so big.
I have a suspicion that they might not even consider college and option for the girls. Their "traditional values" may include a very traditional view of the roles of men and women: women have babies and take care of the house and children, men are active in the world outside the home and make the money.
>education for each of them as that is what one minimally needs
>now a days and more so in the future to make a decent
>living...and not scholarship money or good will money because
>the family is so big.
I have a suspicion that they might not even consider college and option for the girls. Their "traditional values" may include a very traditional view of the roles of men and women: women have babies and take care of the house and children, men are active in the world outside the home and make the money.
Oops - I meant that the article you posted, not published.
I got the 1.25% from the article you copied. It said that fertility drugs resulted in a 25% chance of having multiples and out of that 25%, 5% were triplets or higher order multiples.
I wasn't interested in arguing about the incidence of multiple births, I just thought that it wasn't fair that you said that couples who ended up with higher order multiples made a choice to have them.
Erica
I got the 1.25% from the article you copied. It said that fertility drugs resulted in a 25% chance of having multiples and out of that 25%, 5% were triplets or higher order multiples.
I wasn't interested in arguing about the incidence of multiple births, I just thought that it wasn't fair that you said that couples who ended up with higher order multiples made a choice to have them.
Erica
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Cathlete
>I have a suspicion that they might not even consider college and >option for the girls. Their "traditional values" may include a very >traditional view of the roles of men and women: women have babies >and take care of the house and children, men are active in the >world outside the home and make the money
I got the same feeling when I went to their webiste, Kathryn. I hope for their daughters' sakes they get to experience life a little and not get married when they are teenagers like their mother.
And their comment about how using birth control pills is akin to abortion is downright stupid. Step out of the 1930's!
Lori
I got the same feeling when I went to their webiste, Kathryn. I hope for their daughters' sakes they get to experience life a little and not get married when they are teenagers like their mother.
And their comment about how using birth control pills is akin to abortion is downright stupid. Step out of the 1930's!
Lori