EB and unwanted advertising - vent

Having been a teacher for 16 years now - wow! - I can tell you that the minute I get too self-centered I have 500 little human beings reminding me that no, it is not about you, Ms. G., it is, in fact, about us. And I say that sincerely with all the good humor and affection that someone who's stuck around that long has to have. :)

Now let's make sure we play nice. It's just eggs. (I also say that with humor and affection, too).

We really need a 'tongue in cheek' smiley icon. ;)
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We DO need that icon. Fun thread, mostly! Thanks for your thoughts and sense of humor!
 
Afreet said:
I don't feel entitled to have the world arranged according to my likes and dislikes. It's just that since this is an "open discussion" forum, people are permitted to express opinions, within certain parameters. So...what? :confused:
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i agree with you totally, but i think the lines of those parameters were crossed with the post made upthread (copied below). if i was cathe i would delete this entire thread. i think cathe works very hard to please everyone. it's an impossible task, but try she does. it's a credit to her that she allows people to display their displeasure with her decision and not block it...but to go on and say such unkind things about her personally is unthinkable to me. this is her website after all. it's one thing to express an opinion, another to attack others because they differ. life is too short for this kind of stuff...

I may be just sad that 'our' little Cathe is growing up into a big girl and we're just not enough for her anymore. Not enough fame, not enough money, not enough business, not enough publicity, not enough whatever.
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Afreet said:
I don't think anyone's hounding Cathe.
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I never said anyone in this thread hounded Cathe. I was talking about the situation in 2006. A lot of people had preordered and were upset she had filmed yet. I realize they had money invested, but they were told time and again to cancel if they couldn't wait. Yet people kept asking her despite never getting the answer they wanted. I can understand people talking about this, but the posts are worded as if they expect Cathe to change her mind. That I find a little strange.
 
To respond to the OP:
I think that many of us would have felt differently if Cathe had endorsed a brand of eggs that was healthier and more humane. If she had supported organic eggs, free range eggs or eggs with higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids, then I doubt we'd be having this discussion. Instead there seems to be a disconnect between what Cathe is trying to accomplish and the particular brand that she is endorsing (and what that brand represents).

I'm all for Cathe endorsing eggs as a healthy, whole food but I'm highly skeptical of the idea that Egglands Best somehow represents the ideal egg in any way. Hence the ick factor.

In regards to the vegetarian diet: chickens will naturally scavenge anything. I remember our flock of hens fighting over a petrified mouse carcass one day and have watched chickens happily nibble on a roadkilled flockmate. However, in a commercial setting, a "vegetarian diet" designation at least means that the chickens are not being fed dead or culled chickens as part of their diet. So I will give Egglands a pass on that one.

Just my two cents.

Lisa

PS - If you like your eggs hardboiled, definitely don't buy Egglands Best or plan on letting them hang out in your fridge for a while!
 
bonvivant said:
Carola, I am not at all directing this at you, it just happens to come after a response to you. Our society has really gotten self centered. My opinion. My feelings. Me, my, I, I, I. Our sense of entitlement is out of control and this thread highlights that. Buy eggs or don't buy eggs. Buy DVDs or don't buy them. It doesn't matter. If it bothers you so much, remove yourself from the situation. If enough people did that, maybe Cathe will rethink it. If you can live with Cathe promoting EB eggs, then live with it. I know the squeaky wheel gets the grease, but no one is forced to participate.

Every time I see EB, I think of EB games.
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LOL, I was thinking the same thing about EB games :D

I totally agree that our society has gotten very self-centered and that our sense of entitlement is out of control. I have never said that Cathe needs to do X, or I will do Y.

I have always said that it is her decision how to run her business but that as someone who has worked in marketing for many years I believe that it is a mistake to downplay and belittle your customer base's concerns and tell them how they "should" feel about something. People have a funny way of deciding on their own how they feel about something. :eek: I happen to know that there are quite a few people who feel really uneasy about this whole Eggland's Best thing, how this was rolled out and the EB sales pitch.

I don't think it is entitlement mentality to discuss in the Open Forum that the way this has been rolled out has made some people uncomfortable. I think they have a right to feel that way, just as Cathe has a right to do whatever she pleases in her busines. Of course, Cathe and SNM can dismiss the sentiments of parts of their customer base. I have seen companies do that and I have seen them pay a price for it.

But I am sure SNM has done their homework on this and done the research how this may impact their business.


In summary, I understand what you are trying to say and entitlement mentality is one of my pet peeves too but I don't think this is what it is.
 
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To assume that the Egglands Best people are not monitoring this site for our reactions is simply putting your head in the sand. Hi EB people!!

I personally think the whole endorsement thing is tacky and distastefull. It is like Cathe is desperate. It speaks poorly of her and she has become so commercialized. First the QVC stuff and now this. Fallen stars tout things on QVC, not someone up and coming.

Over exposure is not good for anyone trying to make it big. Make us want you girlfriend!!

p.s. I also dont care for the tone of the SNM replies. They should have superior customer service skills and to sound angry in postings is unacceptable.
 
lrayburn said:
To respond to the OP:
I think that many of us would have felt differently if Cathe had endorsed a brand of eggs that was healthier and more humane. If she had supported organic eggs, free range eggs or eggs with higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids, then I doubt we'd be having this discussion. Instead there seems to be a disconnect between what Cathe is trying to accomplish and the particular brand that she is endorsing (and what that brand represents).

I'm all for Cathe endorsing eggs as a healthy, whole food but I'm highly skeptical of the idea that Egglands Best somehow represents the ideal egg in any way. Hence the ick factor.

In regards to the vegetarian diet: chickens will naturally scavenge anything. I remember our flock of hens fighting over a petrified mouse carcass one day and have watched chickens happily nibble on a roadkilled flockmate. However, in a commercial setting, a "vegetarian diet" designation at least means that the chickens are not being fed dead or culled chickens as part of their diet. So I will give Egglands a pass on that one.

Just my two cents.

Lisa

PS - If you like your eggs hardboiled, definitely don't buy Egglands Best or plan on letting them hang out in your fridge for a while!
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I'm not sure if you are aware, but Eggland's Best eggs have three times the amount of Omega 3 than a normal egg does. They have 10 times the amount of vitamin E and 25% less saturated fat and cholesterol than an ordinary egg. They also are leading provider of cage free and organic eggs. Eggland's Best did 48,800 quality tests last year on their eggs, the entire rest of the industry did less than 300 tests. I think this speaks volumes about their commitment to quality. You're correct that hens will eat anything they can find and that is why Eggland's Best standards and Quality checks are so important. All of their eggs are certified Kosher and that is not an easy standard to meet.

I think if you educate yourself about Eggland's Best you will find that the company's mission is to produce the best egg possible and the scientific data backs this up. I know I'm sounding like a commercial here so forgive me, but I want to at least make sure the facts presented are correct. I realize that animal agriculture is a sensitive topic for many people and opinions vary, but everyone should be respectful of the different opinions. We're simply promoting the healthy benefits of eating EB eggs, not anything else.
 
This was a pretty interesting thread to read but a couple things come to mind...

1) I personally didn't feel Cathe was pushing super unwanted advertising. I thought in that email the company sent out she was promoting the tour that EB and was giving the promo information and her promoters that's all. After trying out some of the beachbody dvd's recently, I think I thank Cathe EVERY TIME for not nearly being as informercial-ly or pushing a product as much. Really giving unwanted advertising...I dunno, I would think there would be an EB logo splattered all over the homepage and forums. That's not happening so I don't think they're pushing ANYTHING really on us. Maybe some people are worried of what's to come, and that's fine, but Cathe and SNM (in my limited experience) have never shoved anything down my throat at least.

2) Though I pretty much agree with SNM, I think he may have gotten a little defensive which is understandable because Cathe is such an outstanding person, even the thought of implying she may just be a shill probably hurt. He should not have told anyone how they "should" feel, true, but I really think he was just defending Cathe in that moment. Poor choice of words -- its happens to everyone and you can never hear tonality in text.

3) I love eggs. I think eggs rock healthwise too. Do I think there should be better treatment of chickens? Yes. Do I always buy organic cage free ones? No. Do I try to? Yes. I don't think I'm a hypocrite -- I want all the chickens who produce eggs for us to be treated humanely but when I'm at the store, sometimes its just too hard to cough up the extra cash. But I try as I become more informed. I literally start budgeting for the more expensive food which nowadays is harder. I really respect my friends who do everything so responsibily but I don't judge those who don't/can't. Frankly, I would think if Cathe became more involved with some of these industries, I'd like to think she could become a positive influence to them instead of them being a negative influence on her. Maybe I'm too naive...

4) Anyone who really has a problem with EB can take this opportunity to inform everyone. This thread has been mostly civil which is cool. And you know, to show your convinctions, you don't have to go to a single natonal tour event and politely let the company know that. Maybe you can ask SNM to make a separate list for EB related material so you don't even get the emails to it and they can see how many people really protest it. Same thing can go with the Fitness By Cathe line -- if you're really against products being made in China, then you don't buy it but politely let the company know why you wouldn't do so. I've been amazed with the personal responses we get from the forums or emails with Cathe and SNM and they've always been receptive. They can't change anything in a day, but I think they've always done things for the collective Cathe nation.

5) Actually, when I saw EB, I reverted it to EA and though of EA games instead. Such a gamer. :)
 
SNM Videos said:
I think if you educate yourself about Eggland's Best you will find that the company's mission is to produce the best egg possible and the scientific data backs this up. I know I'm sounding like a commercial here so forgive me, but I want to at least make sure the facts presented are correct. I realize that animal agriculture is a sensitive topic for many people and opinions vary, but everyone should be respectful of the different opinions. We're simply promoting the healthy benefits of eating EB eggs, not anything else.
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Nevermind! Changed my mind.

...... moving on now!
 
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eminenz2 said:
I can tell you now, it's certainly not as important as it was two hours ago! But we had a very good conversation, a couple of laughs, and just forgot about the really hard things for awhile, right? No harm - no foul?

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Did anyone get it? NO FOUL????

Eggs? No FOUL???

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
 
OMG, I'm weak from laughter - I just crack myself up too much.

Well, somebody's gotta keep me entertained...:p
 
These eggs just sound like franken-eggs to me. I don't need three times the Omega-3s, I just want a decent egg produced by a chicken living its natural life.

BTW I think it is a tremendous credit to Cathe that these discussions can take place on her board. I'm hoping that maybe through this discussion people might actually do some research into factory farming and see what goes on for themselves, and not rely on the agribusiness fox in the hen house for information. And maybe, at some point, Cathe and others like her will have enough influence to help change the system. Fingers crossed.

ETA: Been thinking about the comment about people being too self-centered and wanting the whole world to do as they say. I agree with this statement but also think it works the other way. We have become such a consumer society, and one that demands such instant gratification, that people are unwilling to step out of their comfort/convenience/but I WANT it zone to make a difference or demand a change in the way food and products in general are produced. Just my opinion.
 
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sparrow13 said:
Chickens are not supposed to be vegetarians. Left to free-range and eat their intended diet chickens are omnivores and will munch on all manner of worms and insects, seeds, veggies, heck they will even eat table scraps if you have them. They're natural diet produces the most tasty eggs.
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Yeah, but Eggland's vegetarian diet is a lot better than the ground up cadavers the cheaper "egg producers" get fed. I have no problems eating the whole egg with Egglands, however with the cheap eggs I would only eat the egg whites. I have been using Egglands since I came aware of them several years ago. I use these eggs as my main protein source, which is healthier than buying a powder with unpronounceable ingredients.
 
hottiescientist said:
1) I personally didn't feel Cathe was pushing super unwanted advertising. I thought in that email the company sent out she was promoting the tour that EB and was giving the promo information and her promoters that's all.
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I disagree with this statement - if you read the announcement, most of it is about how superior EB eggs are.

Erica
 
Katerchen said:
Yeah, but Eggland's vegetarian diet is a lot better than the ground up cadavers the cheaper "egg producers" get fed. I have no problems eating the whole egg with Egglands, however with the cheap eggs I would only eat the egg whites. I have been using Egglands since I came aware of them several years ago. I use these eggs as my main protein source, which is healthier than buying a powder with unpronounceable ingredients.
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Oh I agree. The cadaver angle is repugnant on every level. On a related note, one time when I was doing some research on this topic I read that cadavers are also put into cheap pet food. The report said that pet food manufacturers buy the dog/cat corpses from less reputable shelters. Don't know if it's true or not. Yuck, though.
 
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