Good - because it is supposed to be PUNISHMENT and not a vacation.
"DC Sniper" should be dead in about an hour. Good.
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Good - because it is supposed to be PUNISHMENT and not a vacation.
I do not believe in final judgement and a lot of men of god (priests, reverends, fathers) do not believe either because some of them are corrupt, rape children etc. All through history, the pope of all people had whores, did crimes and he should have been afraid if there is truly an afterlife. But the behavior of the "religious people" makes me think is just a money making farce because a lot of them do not do as they preach.
All religions are inventions of men to suppress other people or women, start wars, take lands "in the name of God".
Liann
Cathlete
This thread is digressing now, but I just had to comment (cuz' I'm hormonal, bitchy, and tired).
I'm "religious" but I am NOT Catholic and I'm not much into "organized" religion. I really wish people would stop using things the Catholic church and priests have done to go off on the rest of us. It's getting kind of old especially on this forum. We get it, you don't like religion. No prob. To each his own. That's a general "you" by the way. I'm not directly referring to you Katerchen. I'm referring to a tone, not an individual. It just gets hard after a while keeping a thick skin when there seems to be so much animosity towards anything religious.
I'm "religious" but I am NOT Catholic and I'm not much into "organized" religion. I really wish people would stop using things the Catholic church and priests have done to go off on the rest of us. It's getting kind of old especially on this forum. We get it, you don't like religion. No prob. To each his own. That's a general "you" by the way. I'm not directly referring to you Katerchen. I'm referring to a tone, not an individual. It just gets hard after a while keeping a thick skin when there seems to be so much animosity towards anything religious.
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mspina
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And that is great, for you. Not everyone believes in the same things, so we have a different view of child murder, cancer, etc., for example.
Whoa - I never said anything about lashing out in anger. Not forgiving does NOT equate to holding on to the anger and resentment. You can let go of the day to day anger/resentment/negative emotions, therefore NOT giving over even more power to the wrongdoer, without FORGIVING them.
I also aspire to forgive - when it's warranted. Sometimes, in my opinion, it's just ... not.
Maybe this simply has something to do with semantics. Forgiveness, to me, is honestly being OK with whatever happened - you are excusing/absolving that person of their actions. It might take time to come to terms with it, but when you do, you are honestly and completely OK and can have a normal, healthy relationship with the person who's been forgiven (otherwise, you haven't actually forgiven them). I would never, under any circumstance, be OK with someone willfully harming my child. I honestly can't fathom how anyone could - and if they did, I certainly wouldn't think they were a "better person." I'd think they must have suffered a head injury at some point in their life.
hiitdogs
Cathlete
I think if someone want to or can forgive is individual choice. I don't believe there is any right or wrong. It is up to the individual to decide how they can best deal with the situation. I don't think it is up to anyone else to prescribe how people should or should not deal with traumatic events in their lives.
I am not a big fan of organized religion but the religion bashing is getting a little old for me. There are priests that are not such great human beings and do horrible things just as there are for the rest of us. I am sure there are priests who join the Catholic church for the wrong reasons and are not God fearing (or better God loving) men but that does not make all priest pedophiles and horrible people. I don't agree with much the current pope says but I have nothing but the highest respect for him. I think a lot of atrocities have been committed in the name of religion but that is man-made and has nothing to do with faith.
I am not a big fan of organized religion but the religion bashing is getting a little old for me. There are priests that are not such great human beings and do horrible things just as there are for the rest of us. I am sure there are priests who join the Catholic church for the wrong reasons and are not God fearing (or better God loving) men but that does not make all priest pedophiles and horrible people. I don't agree with much the current pope says but I have nothing but the highest respect for him. I think a lot of atrocities have been committed in the name of religion but that is man-made and has nothing to do with faith.
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carres1973
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I actually have "visited" a prison complex...several times in fact. No, it isn't life at the Hilton but it isn't breaking rocks, hard labor and punishment either! The gentleman I would see in prison (he was a barber and cut military personnel's hair at the prison), was in for murder...and was able to go to college free (whoops, I mean WE paid for him to go to college). He got a Master's Degree while in prison. This was while I was struggling to make ends meet and working crazy hours so I couldn't go to school. Well congrats to him!
Carrie
DEEDEE2
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I would never, under any circumstance, be OK with someone willfully harming my child. I honestly can't fathom how anyone could - and if they did, I certainly wouldn't think they were a "better person." I'd think they must have suffered a head injury at some point in their life.
I guess forgiveness does mean different things to different people. I never even came close to suggesting that this woman was o.k. with the murder of her son. To even think such a thing seems asinine to me.
To me forgiveness simply means not harboring resentment or anger, but letting go of the negative emotions. It doesn't mean you have to call the person who did you wrong and party down with them nor does it mean one must have suffered head trauma. It does mean (to me) that one has to be able to get beyond themselves (which a lot of us have a hard time doing, which is why we see so many mass shooting people are just thinking me me me, I feel, I want, I need etc), and I can admit (not proudly or ashamedly) that under certan circumstances, I would not be able to get past my own anger or resentment if someone hurt me or someone I cared about.
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carres1973
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Jane - I wish I could see the world as you do! I have such a hard time believing there is a greater good that comes out of children being murdered, hundreds-of-thousands being killed by a tsunami, etc.
I agree that it isn't good to lash out in anger but there are certain things I will never forgive or forget. My thought is that if I forgive and forget, that person wins. They now have the power. They are getting off free from the emotional (and physical) pain they inflicted.
Carrie
DEEDEE2
Cathlete
I believe in forgiving if you can, but forget? NEVER! Being aware of what someone is capable of is called survival to me.
hiitdogs
Cathlete
And not everyone who is in prison is a terrible person. Whereas I don't believe much in organized religion, I believe in redemption and second chances for those who are not a threat to society. Having them get an education and preparing them for life outside of prison I would consider a good thing. Rehabilitation is one of the purposes of prison.
A lot of people, including myself, are struggling but I don't look to how much better or easier other people have it. Personally, I rather struggle out here than spend one day in that hell-hole.
Jonezie
Cathlete
I am reminded of Jeff Lewis and the bacon incident. Did anyone see it?!? Anyway...his response was "O-M-F-G!"
This is a dead horse, people. Can't we go back to talking about DOMS (which I still don't know what it means and have been too afraid to ask), high-fiving over each other's weight loss stories, and sharing clean eating recipes?
There has to be a better time and place than this.
This is a dead horse, people. Can't we go back to talking about DOMS (which I still don't know what it means and have been too afraid to ask), high-fiving over each other's weight loss stories, and sharing clean eating recipes?
There has to be a better time and place than this.
DEEDEE2
Cathlete
No slam meant but I've never understood why some folks feel a need to have their say then try to shut down a thread. I mean when I'm done contributing to a thread I'm done with it, I don't feel a need to tell others to stop the discussion.
Fitnessfreakk366
Cathlete
Jonezie
Cathlete
DOMS - Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness.
Awesome...thanks! Fitness Freak...didn't you just post a hilarious thread about DOMS recently? How you couldn't move your torso the next day, basically. I meant to tell you how freakin' hilarious it was!
Fitnessfreakk366
Cathlete
No, that was another Debbie (worknprogress). I did post on the thread, but I wasn't the OP.
carres1973
Cathlete
I believe in forgiving if you can, but forget? NEVER! Being aware of what someone is capable of is called survival to me.
Good way of looking at it Deedee. I guess I am getting forgiving and forgetting confused. On many things, I never forget.
Carrie
Govtgirl
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Really? I never expressed joy or made it sound like we should pop champagne. I titled this thread appropriately with my opinion plain for all to see, having been one of the many people in this area terrorized by Muhammad. There was never any “joy” as you say….just clear acknowledgement that in my mind, justice had been served.
This is what it says on the top of the page: “Open Discussion Talk about anything you like in this forum including other videos you like or dislike.” Everything from sex, politics, and religion has been discussed here, everything from boobs to sex, infidelity, and the size of …..well you get the idea. It’s just that you don’t like this topic.
How would you have even known my viewpoint if I had “stayed quiet”? I did post my sincere viewpoint, it’s just not in line with yours.
And now you have really gone too far. How dare you judge me? You, spouting Ghandi, and saying that “God is judge and jury even here on earth...not me.” yet you post this about me, a person you don’t even know? I think this is the height of hypocrisy on your part.
And since you brought up the subject of being “horrified and shocked” about posting certain things on this website…..
I am appalled that you use Cathe’s website and forum to promote and push your “hilarious" blog (your adjective, not mine). Cathe pays big bucks to keep this site going, and to use it to promote yourself is, in my opinion, tacky. For a while there, every other time you posted a word, you came right back over here to tell us all about it. We got it, you have a blog, give it a rest.
Oh, and having the link to your blog on your signature…..who is craving drama and attention now?
There are many successful blogs out there that got successful based on their own merits, and not by using a very well-known person’s site as a springboard. If you truly want to do the right thing and keep this site on the straight and narrow about how this is CATHE'S FORUM, and a FITNESS FORUM to boot, then you will remove that link about YOUR BLOG from your signature. I just looked, and don’t see that it has much to do about fitness, it’s more your musings on hair, cupcakes, and the Pillsbury doughboy.
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