Anyone going to see The passion of the Christ?

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Hi Dani, I understand what you exactly meant when you said about the ending. I just got back from the movie and thought it was great. What Jesus went through for us is unbelievable. I mean I know what he went through but couldn't picture it like this. BTW the ending will knock your socks off:)
 
>Hi Dani, I understand what you exactly meant when you said
>about the ending. I just got back from the movie and thought
>it was great. What Jesus went through for us is unbelievable.
>I mean I know what he went through but couldn't picture it
>like this. BTW the ending will knock your socks off:)

Thanks so much Barbara! I'm so excited to see it!
 
>If Cathe had been around in those days, the Romans would have
>made Jesus do IMAX, IMAX2, KPC and Body Max all in a row. ;-)
>

LOLOL don't forget "meaner legs!" LOL
 
Surely he wouldn't have had to do them in that robe! Someone could have given him some nice pants like the guys wear in Boot Camp.
 
An observation: So many different personalities and opinions brought together to this forum by their passion for exercise and a healthy lifestyle...isn't it wonderful?!

I feel truly honored to be in the company of all of you.
 
I'll see almost anything if it's good. Have you guys read the reviews? They are not good. The New York Times said that that this movie "assaults the spirit". Those of you who are planning to go, be forewarned!
 
The only thing that makes me ambivalent about NOT seeing this film is that James Cavieziel is a Code Three Hottie no matter what . Maybe I'll rent it on DVD, but plowing through subtitles from Aramaic and Latin is gonna be a chore.

A-Jock
 
I wasn’t going to jump in here, but I am.

First of all, I will offer no opinions on the movie itself because I HAVEN’T SEEN IT YET. I cannot say if it is great or anti-Semitic or violent or anything, until I have had a chance to view it. I have more to say (sorry).

Why is it wrong for this movie to be Mel’s version of the death of Christ? Isn’t “Lord of the Rings” Peter Jackson’s version of J.R.R. Tolkien’s books? Isn’t “Platoon” Oliver Stone’s take on Vietnam? This is just Mel’s take on the Gospels. Since when is interpretation a faux pas?

I agree there are other fine movies dealing with Christ, but why stop there? That’s like saying “Caddyshack” was funny, no more comedies about golf.

It is Mr. Gibson’s right to make the film of his choosing, just as it is our right to see this movie or stay home.

How can we post reviews (favorable or negative) of this movie, if we have yet to see it?
 
>Hotspur, your wild-eyed anti-semitic screed makes me think of
>the prayer I heard recently:
>
>"Lord, protect me from your followers."
>
>A-Jock


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Ha! Well said.
 
I agree. Very well said, Jillybean. It's always a shame to see how many people past judgement without first hand knowledge. In this case, passing judgement on a movie that they haven't seen yet.
 
Pardon me, but I just gave you an example of how black and white don't always so mindlessly signify goodness/wickedness, so you've already lost that point. Mel is simply being historically accurate. And I'm happy you agreed with what I said about the Romans recognizing Jesus as a political threat. Yes, the Jews, specifically the Sanhedrin, could not themselves order the death of Jesus since Judea was a Roman territory at the time, with headquarters at Caesarea Maritima if I recall, and subject to the Roman leges.

As for your attacking my supposed blanket pronouncements, are you sure that all "Jews believe that Jesus existed?" Are you quite sure???

And please explain how my post "underlines quite clearly what the controversy is all about?" And how it is antisemitic (which sure sounds like a kneejerk reaction to moi)???

As far as I can tell the "controversy" is that Jews, most of whom probably don't know the Gospels, are blindly attacking a movie as antisemitic, when they haven't seen it and when, as I said, they haven't read the Gospels. Yes, some Jews were responsible for Jesus' death, and so was Pilate (who not only gave into pressure from the Sanhedrin, but could also see Jesus as a threat to Roman authority.) So what? Just because that fact is portrayed accurately in a movie Jews are going to complain? The fact is that every person, because they are sinners, is ultimately responsible for Jesus' death. Jesus had to die, to become the perfect sacrifice, so mankind could be redeemed through belief ("No man cometh unto the Father but by Me, etc".)

So, what can I tell you? Mel's movie, from what I know, follows the Gospels, so if Jews have a problem, their problem is with the Gospels. Take it up with Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
 
I'm on the fence about this one. I agree with Jillybean that Mel Gibson or anyone else has a right to make a movie based on his/her interpretation of the Gospels. I'm not sure, though, if I'd be able to handle the 2 hrs or so of violence that the film purportedly contains. Intense suffering depicted so graphically haunts me for a long time whether the sufferer is Jesus, other crucifixtion victims, holocaust victims, or whoever. It certainly doesn't bother me that Mel felt compelled to make the movie and I believe he was driven by reasons other than monetary.

I want to add one thing about the alleged anti-semitic slant to this film. (As background, I am an agnostic but regularly attend church -- I'm not hypocritical; members know where I stand. I am fascinated by religion, particularly Christianity, read about it all the time and have deep respect for sincere people of all faiths. I haven't seen the movie, but if it is true to the Gospels, then it has an anti-semitic slant because, IMO, the Gospels do. Early Christians were Jews who were trying to work out the obviously awesome experiences they had had with Jesus and/or his followers. They were still devout Jews, but these experiences made them question the authority and beliefs of their fellow Jews who had neither shared these experiences nor could understand them in the same way. As these Jewish Christians started to recruit others, they needed to define themselves apart from the Jews who didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah they had expected. New groups who break away from larger groups tend to denounce that larger group; it's part of their self-definition and it happens all the time. Unfortunately, this critical portrayal of Jews has led to their persecution for hundreds of years. I can understand why so many Jews are sensitive to such a large-scale re-hashing of what some have claimed to be deicide (killers of a god).

All that said, I probably will go see it after all. (I'll just hide my eyes when necessary.) I think it's an important film.
 
"passing judgement on a movie that they haven't seen yet."


I've heard this phrase kicked around so many times lately in such a righteous way. I can only say -

"Yeah, you know, I've never driven my car over the side of the road and into a ditch, but having heard others' opinions about it, I have a good idea I don't want to find out for myself."

Susan L.G.
 
Have you read Elaine Pagels, Susan? Her works on early Christianity are facinating. I felt like I was between a rock and a hard place yesterday. I posted here, then spoke to my sister, who's looking for someone to see the film with her. I have not seen a movie that was rated R for graphic violence in years and I tiptoed around her words being that, although raised a Baptist, I married a Jew, who came home from work visibly upset about the talk of anti-semitism. Finally, I received a postcard from my lovely, loving sister which said she hoped we would see the film because she loves Jewish people and Christ was and is a Jew and I finally had to laugh! But this morning I was listening to a review on NPR and it made me nervous again. I think Mel's intentions are pure but the problem is humans themselves. Too often religion is devisive and what will be an uplifting experience for some, will breed hatred and ugliness in others. At the very least, it's meaning will be lost due to the controversy. There are so many lovely Christians here and I certainly would never want to deny them the experience the film will give to them as believers. It's the nutballs who might surface who freak me out.

It's been many years since I viewed the Bible as a literal or historical account of anything. I do believe that Christ was one of the most awesome religious figures of all time and his message a beautiful one. He possessed a tolerance not seen in his fellow Jews. He broke bread with tax collectors and outcasts and treated woman and children as if they had value which, was not commonplace in those days.
There's so much more to Jesus than His last 12 hours, it seems a pity to leave out all that He taught. But Christ was not a Christian; he was a Jew. I wonder how he would feel (or does feel, for that matter ;)) about all this. Like you, I am an agnostic with strong links to Judeo-Christian teachings. I just happen to chose some as worthwhile (Love thy neighbor as thyself) and others as impossible to believe. Religious tolerance tops my list of things that must come about if mankind is to ever reach it's full potential!
 
I'd like to see it. The comparison to ditch driving doesn't hold water for me because I don't know anyone personally who has seen it yet because didn't it just open today? Except the critics. I don't usually agree with most of them anyway. i'd rather judge for myself.

I also don't know anyone who has driven into a ditch.
;-)
 
I'd like to see it. The comparison to ditch driving doesn't hold water for me because I don't know anyone personally who has seen it yet because didn't it just open today? Except the critics. I don't usually agree with most of them anyway. i'd rather judge for myself.

I also don't know anyone who has driven into a ditch.
;-)
 
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