marianimal
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7 lies about Sarah Palin
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/05/top-7-myths-lies-and-untruths-about-sarah-palin/
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/05/top-7-myths-lies-and-untruths-about-sarah-palin/
Anyone else think that Sarah Palin resembles....
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Hey Liann - One of the problems with those pushing Creationism to be taught in schools is that they want it taught along side Evolution in the context of science.
I'm a left-leaning independent, and I wouldn't have a problem with it being taught in the context of a course on comparative religions, or social studies, or something like that...but NOT in a science class...it's not science...it shouldn't be debated as science.
Actually, the class that had the greatest impact on me (when I was younger) was a social studies course with an Afro-Asian studies focus. We spent a large part of the class studying the history and beliefs the three major religions - Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. It was an extremely valuable learning experience.
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Liann
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I can see your point, Liann, but, and this is obviously very much a personal belief, I have a really hard time believing that war is "God's task" for us as humans. It reminds me of the Crusades and the barbarism that went on hundreds of years ago in the name of God. Killing in the name of God is something that I have a hard time reconciling with my personal religious views. Sure, she said this while speaking at a Christian college, but she still said it -- and believes it.
Yes, creationism used to be taught in schools, but, then again, so was the belief that women and peoples of color were "inferior" to the dominant race. We had a public forum at my college on this topic last year, and reputable scientists nowadays believe that creationism has no place in any valid textbook. I agree that everyone needs to be exposed to all sides of an issue, but when a defunct theory is given precedence because of political involvement in science, I get upset.
I did not support the war either Leanne (I think we should stop being the police of the world), but you have to understand how Christians live their lives. They believe that God is in control of all situations. This is just evidence of her personal beliefs as a Christian. In Christian circles, this type of rhetoric is just normal. I'm not saying it's right, but it's just a part of who she is. And if people don't like it, they don't have to vote for her. At least she is who she is. It makes it easier to decide whether or not you are going to support her. She's a pretty outspoken gal and from reading that last article that you posted she obviously ruffled a lot of feathers with the old boys in Alaska. Talk about some sour grapes there!
We'll just have to disagree on the defunct theory.
sparrow13
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Gayle, I'm a right-leaning Libertarian and ITA! I was required to take religion every year in high school and despite it being a fairly conservative catholic school we learned about all different faiths. I have no issue with religion being taught, just with it being taught as a science.
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Liann
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LeanneM
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This has some interesting information, but it actually matches up with about 90% of what we've been talking about. The only thing I noticed that is different from what I've read is that she won't actually "push" Creationism, but encourages discussion of it in the classroom, which seems beneficial.
Of course, I do have to say that I am leery of anything coming from Fox News in general . . . .
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LeanneM
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I did not support the war either Leanne (I think we should stop being the police of the world), but you have to understand how Christians live their lives. They believe that God is in control of all situations. This is just evidence of her personal beliefs as a Christian. In Christian circles, this type of rhetoric is just normal. I'm not saying it's right, but it's just a part of who she is. And if people don't like it, they don't have to vote for her. At least she is who she is. It makes it easier to decide whether or not you are going to support her. She's a pretty outspoken gal and from reading that last article that you posted she obviously ruffled a lot of feathers with the old boys in Alaska. Talk about some sour grapes there!
We'll just have to disagree on the defunct theory.
Good points!
crazystepr
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Hey Liann!
You know I love ya, but I wonder about your statement above. I'm a Christian, however I do NOT beleive that God is in control of all situations. I don't think being a Christian and believing what Palin (and many others believe) necessarily go hand in hand.
Just my thoughts.
ETA: I swear, this thread has made me so much more informed about the the election than anything else. I'm soooo glad it was started(thanks, Katie!!). Everyone has such great points and I now know so much more than I did. Thanks guys!!!
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Beavs
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No flames intended from me but I find it disappointing that these double standards are being perpetuated by women themselves and that somehow having children defines a woman above all else, even when it comes to a career. I'm also sure many fathers would not necessarily agree with this assumption as well.
Liann
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Hey Liann!
You know I love ya, but I wonder about your statement above. I'm a Christian, however I do NOT beleive that God is in control of all situations. I don't think being a Christian and believing what Palin (and many others believe) necessarily go hand in hand.
Just my thoughts.
Haven't you stated before that you don't believe in God??? I thought you were an atheist all this time?
"Christian" is a VERY relative term which is used pretty loosely anymore. Catholics call themselves Christians, Baptists call themselves Christians, etc... Palin is Pentecostal which is the specific "Christians" to whom I am referring to. I am personally Non-denominational, but was raised Baptist. We DO believe that God is in control. Other religions may not, but I'm pretty sure that Palin's church is fairly close to mine.Thank you Beavs!!! All the woman are different and have different responsibilities etc... argument was killing me!
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Worknprogress
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As was stated by earlier posters, the Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice debate is not the main topic of this election as it shouldn't be with the state that our country is in. However, it is believed that the next President will appoint two new Justices to the Supreme Court due to the speculation of Stevens and Ginsberg retiring during the next four years which was also pointed out by earlier posters. If McCain is voted in and he picks two conservative Pro-Life Justices, Roe vs. Wade could be overturned. I think that is why the Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice issue is important. It is representative of huge changes in this country that come from somewhere other than the Oval Office. Our next couple of Supreme Court Justices will be appointed by our next President. I feel confident with the Democrats having control in Washington that they won't let this happen however, it's a scary thought.
Although I could never have an abortion, that is MY choice. But I am not against abortion for those who choose it for their situation. It is a woman's choice.
As for the rest of the issues: I want out of Iraq, I do not want to privatize retirement/social security, I would like available Health Care to all of us and I do want us independent from foreign oil. There are so many other issues as well which makes this an extremely important election.
As for creationism - I believe in God and will teach that to my children. I think religion-based classes in our schools could be confusing to our children if they are being told one thing by their parents and one thing by their teacher. Therefore, I believe it to be my responsibility to teach my children what I would like them to believe. Whether they continue that belief through their life, I could only hope for that, but that will be their choice.
As for the original question - I think that Cathe could pass for Susan Lucci's daughter!!!!
Although I could never have an abortion, that is MY choice. But I am not against abortion for those who choose it for their situation. It is a woman's choice.
As for the rest of the issues: I want out of Iraq, I do not want to privatize retirement/social security, I would like available Health Care to all of us and I do want us independent from foreign oil. There are so many other issues as well which makes this an extremely important election.
As for creationism - I believe in God and will teach that to my children. I think religion-based classes in our schools could be confusing to our children if they are being told one thing by their parents and one thing by their teacher. Therefore, I believe it to be my responsibility to teach my children what I would like them to believe. Whether they continue that belief through their life, I could only hope for that, but that will be their choice.
As for the original question - I think that Cathe could pass for Susan Lucci's daughter!!!!
Liann
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Lol, that always happens with political stuff. The great thing is that it gets everyone really thinking and looking into things, which I think is awesome!
Beavs
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carres1973
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Hey girls! We're up to 86 posts here! And no ones been flamed yet - woo-hooo!!!
Liann,
I think it is a good testament to our maturity that we can discuss politics with inteligence and grace
.Carrie
celestialtimes
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I second that statement...It has been interesting and I'm so glad it has stayed calm. Maybe it's the exercise...
LeanneM
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I second that statement...It has been interesting and I'm so glad it has stayed calm. Maybe it's the exercise...
LOL! I'm also about to eat a nice piece of dark chocolate (antioxidants to help with stress, right?!), and I'd be glad to share if anyone would like some . . . .