Liann
Cathlete
That is a HUGE issue for both sides. It is very likely that the next President could end up having to nominate someone to the Supreme Court. This is crucial to both parties.
Anyone else think that Sarah Palin resembles....
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That is a HUGE issue for both sides. It is very likely that the next President could end up having to nominate someone to the Supreme Court. This is crucial to both parties.
Liann
Cathlete
Bush eluding to taking instructions from God is pretty scary. Even being a Republican, I never liked that man from day one. I actually met him while in college and he made my skin crawl then too. I think it's good to know things about a candidate (religion, etc..) because it helps you know that person better, but I don't think they should use their religion as part of their platform. You just can't do that when dealing with a diverse nation with a multitude of different beliefs.
You did, indeed, come back to a very hot thread, one which I am not going to get in the middle of
I think we've done a pretty darn good job of keeping this very civil.
I for one am enjoying the conversation and hearing other points of view. We don't have to agree - and we definitely will not - but it's nice to have the discussion without getting personal.
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marianimal
Cathlete
You say she reminds you of Satan and it's the other side who uses the name calling tactic? People who live in glass houses, Laura Max
Beavs
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NinjaMom
Cathlete
I agree but where can one go to get "unbiased" information on the "facts". There is so much crap in the papers and online that I don't know where to turn to. I do look forward to watching the debates though.
JJ
Liann
Cathlete
Good luck! Every article I have read is almost purely "editorial". Finding unbiased reports that state simply the facts without an underlying agenda and slant is pretty much impossible. Everyone has to put their own personal jabs and opinions in there. I will say though, that I was fairly surprised at how well Palin's speech was initially received by the media. Like her or not, a lot of them admitted that she did a pretty good job.
celestialtimes
Cathlete
Exactly! That is one of the reasons I think Obamas comercials are over the top...He is paying lots and lots of money to point out an issue that is a non issue when in reality...lets get with what really matter.
LeanneM
Cathlete
Yes, it's so important to do our homework before voting, and, as so many of you are pointing out, it's sometimes hard to separate reality from a skewing of facts. From what I have read, Palin supports creationism, abstinence education (even though she has a 17-year-old pregnant daughter), and oil drilling in Alaska. She is against abortion (even in cases of incest and rape), and she has also said that it's "God's will" to run a pipeline through Alaska and to have gone into war with Iraq. Checking the candidates' voting records and speeches helps me sort through some of this mess . . . .
looking good
Cathlete
Leanne,
Where did you read that about Palin? Remember believe half of what you read.
Therese
Where did you read that about Palin? Remember believe half of what you read.
Therese
celestialtimes
Cathlete
This is a site that a history professor had us use for extra credit.http://www.vote-me.org/Default.aspx
I found it very useful for the facts...Didn't do to bad on the paper either...smile.
Hope it helps!
LeanneM
Cathlete
Hi Therese,
Here are some of the sources I've looked at. A few are from the Associated Press, which is a little more reputable than other sources:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jNulPSqaP1eyysv8ENJWhk0ZSrPgD92VJPL00
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hv559EfDVQDOVDVYhGxB2xcwCveQD92VG7C80
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html
http://thinkprogress.org/palin-digest/ -- definitely a biased source, but has some article citations
I teach critical thinking at the college level, and always emphasize with my students how crucial it is to look at where information comes from.
Here are some of the sources I've looked at. A few are from the Associated Press, which is a little more reputable than other sources:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jNulPSqaP1eyysv8ENJWhk0ZSrPgD92VJPL00
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hv559EfDVQDOVDVYhGxB2xcwCveQD92VG7C80
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html
http://thinkprogress.org/palin-digest/ -- definitely a biased source, but has some article citations
I teach critical thinking at the college level, and always emphasize with my students how crucial it is to look at where information comes from.
hiitdogs
Cathlete
What exactly are you referring to? Not trying to be sarcastic, I really don't know what issue you are referring to and what it is that really matters.
What matters may be different for each of us. To me health insurance is a big one, jobs, environmental issues, ending the war that should have never started, actually going after bin Laden for a change.
And last but not least, after 8 years of a president who couldn't find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight and extremely divissive politics, I would like to have someone run the country who is less of a hothead and can actually put a sentence together. I know this doesn't matter to many, it matters to me though.
I do respect that others may disagree and have other priorities. I may not like it and may not understand it but I respect it.
crazystepr
Cathlete
I've read (and heard Palin, herself, say!!) the same things. If you do your homework you can believe what you read. And I certainly believe the things when I hear them come from Palin's mouth directly.
celestialtimes
Cathlete
Here our radio stations play this obama comercials stating that Mccaine will do away with abortion...which seems to be a huge issue here...not sure why...but I believe everyone should have a choice...to do what they need to do for them. I'm personally a daughter of a teenage mom...life sucked...Things happened to me that I wouldn't want to happen to my worst enemy...would abortion have been a better choice for my 13 year old mom...probably...but I'm here now and have been for 36 years...doing the best I can not to be anything like my mom or her family. yes, I know them...and most of them I don't claim as family. but I have come to the realization that the best family is the one you make a long the way...
But back to the point...his adds insinuate that the president can reverse row vs wade...which is a big false hood. Obama also approves this message...I tried to see if I could find a link to the add but OMG...if you go to youtube and search obama adds...I was kind of shocked by what I found...I'll have to do that with mccaine when I go home...OMG....
Liann
Cathlete
Well, in response to the first article. She is a Christian and she was speaking to ministry students in a Christian school, so I'm not really surprised that she would discuss current events from a biblical perspective. If she had done so in her actual speech the other night, I would be more bothered by it, but she was at a Christian college. And as a Christian, she has a certain belief set and of course that is going to translate into her decisions as governor. I'm not really sure I have a problem with that or that that article bothers me that much. I think it was in the second article that mentioned she wanted Creationism taught in schools in Alaska. Why not? It used to be taught in all schools. Why can't it be taught as an elective? It doesn't have to be taught as fact, just another "theory". I'm all for kids being exposed to other trains of thought and other religions and viewpoints. It doesn't mean you have to brainwash them into believing it all, but they can at least know what the other person believes.
Hi Therese,
Here are some of the sources I've looked at. A few are from the Associated Press, which is a little more reputable than other sources:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jNulPSqaP1eyysv8ENJWhk0ZSrPgD92VJPL00
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hv559EfDVQDOVDVYhGxB2xcwCveQD92VG7C80
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html
http://thinkprogress.org/palin-digest/ -- definitely a biased source, but has some article citations
I teach critical thinking at the college level, and always emphasize with my students how crucial it is to look at where information comes from.
kathryn
Cathlete
Well said!
kathryn
Cathlete
Agreed!
Belief in a specific 'god/God' does not guarantee ethics/morals, nor does non-belief, or a different belief, preclude them.
I agree that we need to get back to ethics and morals in politics and business, whatever ones religious beliefs are.
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LeanneM
Cathlete
I can see your point, Liann, but, and this is obviously very much a personal belief, I have a really hard time believing that war is "God's task" for us as humans. It reminds me of the Crusades and the barbarism that went on hundreds of years ago in the name of God. Killing in the name of God is something that I have a hard time reconciling with my personal religious views. Sure, she said this while speaking at a Christian college, but she still said it -- and believes it.
Yes, creationism used to be taught in schools, but, then again, so was the belief that women and peoples of color were "inferior" to the dominant race. We had a public forum at my college on this topic last year, and reputable scientists nowadays believe that creationism has no place in any valid textbook. I agree that everyone needs to be exposed to all sides of an issue, but when a defunct theory is given precedence because of political involvement in science, I get upset.
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