We're the Problem!?!?!

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LOL, that the first thing that popped in my head too!

He such ....there are no adjectives that aren't too good for him, the worse adjective out there (whatever that may be) is too good for him!

So let's see, 1 broken leg, 1 visit to the hospital and a few follow-ups, maybe physio? (I've never had a broken leg), and someone like him who has a whole slew of issues, and he thinks the he costs less?
 
I know we have some right-leaning Catheites on the forum (I'm a little to the right ;) ) , and I imagine either some listen to Rush or have loved ones who do. (Now that I think of it, my FIL listens to him too.)

I should have stated this at the end of my first post, but dopey me...I didn't think of it until later. I don't mean to imply that those who listen to Rush are crazy, or that they aren't smart or compassionate. Forgive me if it sounded that way.

I take issue with some of the goofy stuff he has said in the past, not with his listeners. :)
 
It's ok to call conservatives fat, but liberals get a pass?

First off, I dare say that Rush was speaking a bit tongue-in cheek. He will do that, say something really outrageous to get everyone’s blood pressure up, and look what’s happened already. I haven’t heard the whole episode, and wouldn’t judge unless I had. But you know what, there is a bit of truth to what he says (not about costing more $$, but the over-exercise concept), and some people here are guilty of it.

I have seen numerous threads here talking about “looking forward to the pain of DOMS” and “I don’t feel like I’ve worked out unless if practically kills me ”, or “I worked out even with XYZ injury” and hating to take a day off even if you’re really sick. I HAVE heard people on here talking about working out no matter what, and yes, they do seem to wear it as a badge of honor. Is THIS for your health, or are you feeding something else? How many threads have we seen that losing weight *IS* more about diet than exercise, and that exercising relentlessly and even through pain and injury means that it ain’t about health anymore?

You DON’T need to exercise through pain and illness for hours a day to stay fit, and maybe pushing away from the table and exercising moderately, where you DON’T end up in the ER, is the way to go. But no, then you would have to agree with Rush.

I don’t agree with all he says (BTW, I don't listen to him regularly, I don't have time and I hate politics!) but I do think he was being a bit humorous and outrageous on purpose. He was trying to get a talk going about national healthcare, and the fact that there was a grain of truth there bothers people. I think that obesity and sloth cost more to taxpayers than people that exercise, and that's why I don't want to pay for socialized medicine. But I also know that if I got on here and said Oprah was a fat windbag or Michelle Obama has a big butt, and yes Jessica Simpson did get fat, I would get SLAMMED. But it’s OK to insult him, or anyone you don't agree with?
 
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OMG! I actually saw this clip on Countdown! You know, he is sooo stupid! I don't like to use that word, but, in his case, it's the only word that applies (that I can say here anyway)! Healthy people who exercise, even if they get a minor injury, at least know how to treat themselves at home without wasting doctors' time at the emergency room and in clinics, unlike unhealthy, sedentary people who run constantly to the doctor, walk-in clinic and emergency room for every little thing in addition to the many trips to their specialists for everything their lifestyle has given them!

And don't even get me started on the problem with medical professionals wanting to classify obesity as a disease so people like RL can get insurance coverage for being lazy! Yes, I do know that there are people out there who have genetic disorders that make it more difficult to drop weight, but most people just choose not to!

Sheesh!

Tricia
 
here's the exact text of what that moronic obese cigar-smoking pill-popping Boss Limbaugh said about those of us who exercise:

"I’ll tell you why Obama wants to hurry. I’ll answer my own question. If he doesn’t get it done now he’s not going to get it done because everything he’s doing is falling apart. Everything he’s doing is crumbling. He’s in a state of panic out there. He wants it done because if he gets this — if he gets health care, folks, as Mona Charen wrote — it’s the ball game. It’s all she wrote. In socialized medicine, government health care — you heard him say, the overweight are to blame. Yeah, folks, I gotta tell you something.

I think those of you that regularly exercise — playing softball, baseball, basketball, soccer, mountain biking, running, rock climbing, skiing, skating, running — you’re the people getting injured. You’re the people showing up at the hospital with busted knees and tendons and skin cancer, ankle sprains, knee and hip replacements, broken bones, concussions, muscle, ligament, tendon, cartilage strains and tears, tendinitis, rotator cuff tears. All you exercise freaks, you’re the ones putting stress on the health care system. What happens when people don’t regularly exercise and keep their weight relatively under control? Nothing! They probably don’t even know their doctors’ names. So you’re urging to go out there do all of this stuff and you’re ending up in the hospital all the time with these injuries and some people think these injuries are badges of honor. A knee surgery scars a badge of honor shows toughness. Yeah. Toughness, somebody else has to pay for."

he's a complete idiot. imho of course. btw, i pay for my own damn healthcare. and if i want to see my doctor for a running/weightlifting/hiking/biking injury, i will, because I PAY FOR IT YOU ASS.

http://politicalirony.com/2009/06/13/limbaugh-blames-health-care-problems-on-exercise-freaks/
 
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First off, I dare say that Rush was speaking a bit tongue-in cheek. He will do that, say something really outrageous to get everyone’s blood pressure up, and look what’s happened already. I haven’t heard the whole episode, and wouldn’t judge unless I had. But you know what, there is a bit of truth to what he says (not about costing more $$, but the over-exercise concept), and some people here are guilty of it.

I have seen numerous threads here talking about “looking forward to the pain of DOMS” and “I don’t feel like I’ve worked out unless if practically kills me ”, or “I worked out even with XYZ injury” and hating to take a day off even if you’re really sick. I HAVE heard people on here talking about working out no matter what, and yes, they do seem to wear it as a badge of honor. Is THIS for your health, or are you feeding something else? How many threads have we seen that losing weight *IS* more about diet than exercise, and that exercising relentlessly and even through pain and injury means that it ain’t about health anymore?

You DON’T need to exercise through pain and illness for hours a day to stay fit, and maybe pushing away from the table and exercising moderately, where you DON’T end up in the ER, is the way to go. But no, then you would have to agree with Rush.

I don’t agree with all he says (BTW, I don't listen to him regularly, I don't have time and I hate politics!) but I do think he was being a bit humorous and outrageous on purpose. He was trying to get a talk going about national healthcare, and the fact that there was a grain of truth there bothers people. I think that obesity and sloth cost more to taxpayers than people that exercise, and that's why I don't want to pay for socialized medicine. But I also know that if I got on here and said Oprah was a fat windbag or Michelle Obama has a big butt, and yes Jessica Simpson did get fat, I would get SLAMMED. But it’s OK to insult him, or anyone you don't agree with?
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You may be right that Rush was speaking "tongue-in-cheek" but how is anyone supposed to know that? People either listen to the show, read the transcript, or see highlights on the news. Are we supposed to take everything Rush says as a joke? If that is the case, why is he constantly touted as the voice of the right and taken so seriously? Heck, Michael Steele had to apologize for criticizing Rush. Why, if he is just joking?

I think this is a free country. If you want to make those comments about Oprah, Michelle Obama, and Jessica Simpson, why not? You can express your opinion just as others have on this thread.

I think one of the reasons Rush discussed exercisers being the cause of problems in our healthcare system is that Rush is a self-proclaimed exercise hater. He discussed this on another show where he said that according to a recent study exercise isn't necessary to lose weight. Technically it isn't. A calorie deficit is. It is easier to achieve with both diet and exercise but diet alone can do it. Like Oprah, I think if someone introduced him to different types of exercise, he might like it, and not blame it for our healthcare systems problems.

Cararie
 
Govtgirl said:
First off, I dare say that Rush was speaking a bit tongue-in cheek.

Oprah was a fat windbag or Michelle Obama has a big butt, and yes Jessica Simpson did get fat, I would get SLAMMED. But it’s OK to insult him, or anyone you don't agree with?
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Maybe it was tongue-in-cheek. I mean, he's in the spotlight so why not try to keep it that way? He's basically nothing but a shock-jock at this point.

But you know what? He's still an idiot and the biggest hypocrite ever. How dare he criticize people for using health care to treat exercise injuries when he is guilty of ABUSING the health care system by doctor shopping because of his drug addiction? This is a CRIME and he should have gone to jail, after all, he has condemned drug abuse and said that people convicted of drug crimes should go to jail. There is plenty to dislike about this man, and being fat is the least of all the reasons.

Amy
 
Govtgirl said:
First off, I dare say that Rush was speaking a bit tongue-in cheek. He will do that, say something really outrageous to get everyone’s blood pressure up, and look what’s happened already. I haven’t heard the whole episode, and wouldn’t judge unless I had. But you know what, there is a bit of truth to what he says (not about costing more $$, but the over-exercise concept), and some people here are guilty of it.

I have seen numerous threads here talking about “looking forward to the pain of DOMS” and “I don’t feel like I’ve worked out unless if practically kills me ”, or “I worked out even with XYZ injury” and hating to take a day off even if you’re really sick. I HAVE heard people on here talking about working out no matter what, and yes, they do seem to wear it as a badge of honor. Is THIS for your health, or are you feeding something else? How many threads have we seen that losing weight *IS* more about diet than exercise, and that exercising relentlessly and even through pain and injury means that it ain’t about health anymore?

You DON’T need to exercise through pain and illness for hours a day to stay fit, and maybe pushing away from the table and exercising moderately, where you DON’T end up in the ER, is the way to go. But no, then you would have to agree with Rush.

I don’t agree with all he says (BTW, I don't listen to him regularly, I don't have time and I hate politics!) but I do think he was being a bit humorous and outrageous on purpose. He was trying to get a talk going about national healthcare, and the fact that there was a grain of truth there bothers people. I think that obesity and sloth cost more to taxpayers than people that exercise, and that's why I don't want to pay for socialized medicine. But I also know that if I got on here and said Oprah was a fat windbag or Michelle Obama has a big butt, and yes Jessica Simpson did get fat, I would get SLAMMED. But it’s OK to insult him, or anyone you don't agree with?
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Do you really think the majority of Americans has a problem with overexercising and that effects our health care system more than the horrible eating habits of the average American? I would say the people on this board are the minority in America.

I am just curious, what do you consider socialized medicine? And what would be the drawback of people having access to preventive health care instead of costing the tax payer money by going to the ER when the crap has already hit the fan?

We are the only industrialized nation that does not offer health care for their citizens. And despite of the enourmous amount of money that we currently spend on our disease care system our citizens are not healthier, on the contrary!

There is something really wrong with the notion that only the ones that are in good health are being accepted by private health care and the others, oh well, too bad, so sad. I had health care, then I was diagnosed with cancer, now I am going through a divorce. I am self employed and will be no longer covered under my husband's insurance. Do you think I will be able to get health care now with a pre-existing condition? I don't think so! Personlly, I think there is something really wrong about for profit health care systems. It's the same as for profit fire departments or for profit police would be.

I would take Rush Limbaugh a lot more serious if he weren't spewing so much venom.
 
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hiitdogs said:
Do you really think the majority of Americans has a problem with overexercising and that effects our health care system more than the horrible eating habits of the average American? I would say the people on this board are the minority in America.

I am just curious, what do you consider socialized medicine? And what would be the drawback of people having access to preventive health care instead of costing the tax payer money by going to the ER when the crap has already hit the fan?

We are the only industrialized nation that does not offer health care for their citizens. And despite of the enourmous amount of money that we currently spend on our disease care system our citizens are not healthier, on the contrary!

There is something really wrong with the notion that only the ones that are in good health are being accepted by private health care and the others, oh well, too bad, so sad. I had health care, then I was diagnosed with cancer, now I am going through a divorce. I am self employed and will be no longer covered under my husband's insurance. Do you think I will be able to get health care now with a pre-existing condition? I don't think so! Personlly, I think there is something really wrong about for profit health care systems. It's the same as for profit fire departments or for profit police would be.

I would take Rush Limbaugh a lot more serious if he weren't spewing so much venom.
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Carolla, I am so sorry for all you're going through and I agree about Trash Limbaugh.
 
I'm a conservative who dislikes Limbaugh

I'm a political conservative who has long disliked Rush Limbaugh. He is a poor model for youth, for poltical moderates, and ordinary people outside the beltway who think about politics only once in a while. Limbaugh scares people away form conservatism. He makes money, but contributes little else.

Limbaugh, in his typically illiterate fashion, dumps on the good-heath movement for two reasons:

1. There has been a proposal by liberals to tax junk food. The reason for this is that if society taxes junk food -- as they do for tobacco products and liquor -- fewer people will eat junk food. Conservatives oppose high taxes, and newer taxes. So instead of attacking this proposal, some conservatives (like Limbaugh) attack those who oppose junk food. He then carries this thinking into opposing exercizing. I oppose taxes on junk food, but I do support grassroots and government measures to force companies to publish nutritional information on junk food, and for society and government to undertake advocacy measures to wean people from such food.

2. Caanda, where I live, has a full-fledged socialized (free) health care system. Some conservatrives here say that -- with free health care -- many people, including those who partake in extreme forms of exercize, take undue risks, such as skateboarding, mountain climbing, risky skiing, risky gymanstics, etc. And when they do get injured, they can go to our socialized health system and obtain free health care. The argument runs that taxpayers are forced to pay for risk takers. Some of these arguments have been made on this thread.

I disagree with this argument made by these conservatives. Generally, the amount of additional health care costs created by risky behaviour is small. The huge body of evidence -- as suggested by most people on this thread -- is that exercize and nutritional eating improve health and reduce health costs. This has all been documented by reputable medical research.

There is a debate as to how much our medical establishment, in Canada and the United States, supports preventive medicine. Do doctors advocate nutrition and exercise to their patients? My doctor preaches both to me, and in the early 1990s I started aerobics and good eating to fight the medium-high blood pressure I had at the time. And now both my doctor and I favour nutrition and certain vitamins (only) to fight a slightly enlarged prostate. I think there is too much emphasis -- across main health difficultires -- for doctors on both sides of the border to rely on drugs to combat ailaments. I suspect Rush Limbaugh relies on drugs, and opposes good eating and exercize.

Perhaps participants on this thread could mention whether or not their doctors emphasize exercize and nutrition as the most important part of thier health care. I think this is the important argument here.

As for government and health care, I favour the introduction of stronger preventave medicine advocacy, such as done by our dental establishment. (And in Canada dental care is privatized, as it is in the U.S.). Such advocacy would require a very strong exercize program for all members of society.
-- David
 
I agree with Carolla . My 9 year old daughter was diagnosed with cancer in March 2007. She was offered excellent treatment by the National Health Service(NHS) & she is doing well. We wouldn't be able to afford private health care. NHS in England isn't perfect but allows the less wealthy being treated when in need.

Olga
 
I said I don't agree with Rush for his reasoning, it is over-the-top. But think about this...who will you be paying for with socialized healthcare?? Many people on this board have bemoaned the obese coworkers or family that eat Cheetos while they complain about their poor health, that continue to smoke, don't exercise, etc. WE'LL be paying for these people. So, no only will I have to pay for my healthcare through my employer, I'll have to pay for other people's too. Since when is that right?

I am willing to bet that many people that say they "can't afford" medical insurance have things that are considered luxuries in any other part of the world, like cable TV (maybe even several TVs), computers, cell phones, etc. Are they willing to give that up for health insurance? I know that between TV, cell phone, cable, a movie, and a dinner or two out, that would easily be $400 and would pay for a health insurance plan. I would drop all that in a New York minute to insure my health, but many people choose to keep it and gamble.

And I just don't understand why everyone seems to think that the government running things will help. Jeez, I work in government, and the last thing you want is a bunch of bureaucrats deciding whether or not you get an operation, or a presciption. The paperwork alone will kill you.
 
As a Democrat I must admit I *heart* Rush Limbaugh! It's people like him who are consistently & effectively yanking on the plug that's connected to the Republican's life support system. ;)

Thank goodnes people like Colin Powell & Mike Bloomberg aren't leading the Republican party--then Dems might actually have something to worry about. :p
 
Govtgirl said:
And I just don't understand why everyone seems to think that the government running things will help. Jeez, I work in government, and the last thing you want is a bunch of bureaucrats deciding whether or not you get an operation, or a presciption. The paperwork alone will kill you.
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It's b/c the private industry, which is based on profit & not what's best for the patient, has screwed it up so royally. If you want to talk about bureacracy, I work for govmt too & frankly I have a much more difficult time figuring out my health insurance than I do my property taxes. If you think a bunch of bureacrats aren't making decisions about your health care NOW, you're kind of out of the loop.
 
I'm going to stay out of this debate for a change - anyone who's ever read anything I've posted on politics knows that I almost never think the answer to the "what will help?" question is "more government involvement" and that I think both parties are corrupt and repulsive but I did want to ask if anyone has noticed a subtle backlash against fitness and health in general? It seems like the trend these days is to talk up (dubious) studies that show exercise doesn't really make a difference/obesity isn't really a health problem etc.
 
You know, the VA (Veteran's Administration) is the closest comparison we have to socialized healthcare in the US. It is....HORRIBLE! Certain veterans are supposed to get free healthcare for serving in the military, but do they? Um, yeah, maybe after 6 months of filing papers, and waiting in a smelly room with peeling paint.

I am going through VA paperwork HELL right now with my mother, a Korean-war vet that is entitled to a VA pension to pay for assisted living. SIX MONTHS ago is when all this paperwork started, and I took off work today so I could fill out more, and get this: write a letter to them explaining why an 84 year old woman can't travel 2 hours to a VA hospital to get one of their exams, and oh wait a minute, I already submitted a doctor's statement to her many health issues. But some government worker that doesn't give a damn ignored it because it was probably time for a coffee break, and now I have to go through this.

The only thing the goverment does well besides training and running the military is take your money, and then waste it.
 
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Govtgirl said:
I said I don't agree with Rush for his reasoning, it is over-the-top. But think about this...who will you be paying for with socialized healthcare?? Many people on this board have bemoaned the obese coworkers or family that eat Cheetos while they complain about their poor health, that continue to smoke, don't exercise, etc. WE'LL be paying for these people. So, no only will I have to pay for my healthcare through my employer, I'll have to pay for other people's too. Since when is that right?

I am willing to bet that many people that say they "can't afford" medical insurance have things that are considered luxuries in any other part of the world, like cable TV (maybe even several TVs), computers, cell phones, etc. Are they willing to give that up for health insurance? I know that between TV, cell phone, cable, a movie, and a dinner or two out, that would easily be $400 and would pay for a health insurance plan. I would drop all that in a New York minute to insure my health, but many people choose to keep it and gamble.

And I just don't understand why everyone seems to think that the government running things will help. Jeez, I work in government, and the last thing you want is a bunch of bureaucrats deciding whether or not you get an operation, or a presciption. The paperwork alone will kill you.
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We already pay for a lot of people who make poor health choices. We pay for them in several ways. 1 - Medicaid. MANY people on Medicaid should not be. I can say this from personal experience since half of my family CHOOSE to not work and have found "doctors" to sign off on their need to be on SSD, SSI, and Medicaid. 2 - the uninsured. Most uninsured individuals still receive healthcare. However, instead of going to a primary care physician, they show up at their local emergency room because the emergency room HAS to treat them...even if the patient can't pay. Hospitals are much more expensive than a physicians office. How do the hospitals recoup their losses? By charging higher costs across the board. Why pays for that? The insured do!

I would much rather have a standard health care system that is fair for EVERYONE.

Carrie
 
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