QUIRKY LITTLE THINGS ABOUT CLX

Okay, I caved!

So I now have P90X, and STS and CLX are coming. I have worked out my rotation for STS and P90X, but does anyone have the rotation for CLX? Also, what order do you think I should do them in? I am kinda leaning toward CLX, then STS, then P90X.
 
So I now have P90X, and STS and CLX are coming. I have worked out my rotation for STS and P90X, but does anyone have the rotation for CLX? Also, what order do you think I should do them in? I am kinda leaning toward CLX, then STS, then P90X.


Someone suggested using CLX first if you have 15lbs or more to lose.
I needed to take off holiday weight, but I also feel CLX is a great program to better prepare me for STS.
It's not an easy decision when there are so many great workouts to choose from!
 
Cynthia - I just read Cathe's quote. Seems to me like that your interpretation is right. I use hills/inclines, stairclimbing, etc b/c I want that area to be solid, not bigger. Thus far, all seems fine. I try to not overdo it but rather just target it a few times a week.

Regarding CLX - tneah mentioned a while back about wanting the extra DVD that came with it. I have looked at the site and only CLX as an option with no others - don't see a basic even though it seems like I did when I looked previously. Any thoughts? I am still on the fence but love the different types of moves she uses - that is what almost has me hooked! I am also now thinking that I need Total Body Blast - that one looks fun too...thanks a lot!
 
should plyos be avoided on non-weight days? I thought it was just the weight work that prevented muscle growth. all of CLX have some type of plyos.
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If I look at how P90X was designed, plyo is considered another leg workout. I don't know for certain.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what Cathe's saying.:eek: Plyo once a week during STS is OK, but not more if you want to avoid building up? Here is Cathe's answer to adding extra leg/glute work to STS for women who do not want to build up the glutes and legs. I don't want larger legs. I do want firmer glutes.

http://www.cathenation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255838

Tell me if that is your interpetation.


Interesting, she says to avoid interval training too? Which is what CLX cardio is. Does Interval training include HIIT?
 
First let me say, from what I read if your goal is to gain muscle mass with STS you will need to perform a simple cardio on non weight days. Burn intervals will not promote muscle growth. For muscle growth your muscles need rest.
CLX overtrains the muscles and then allows for little proper rest. While it prevents muscle loss, lifting without rest prevents growth.
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Okay, so when exactly would you do Burn Intervals, if not between strength workouts? Does anyone have the exact and complete CLX rotation for the three months that they could post?
 
Okay, so when exactly would you do Burn Intervals, if not between strength workouts? Does anyone have the exact and complete CLX rotation for the three months that they could post?

Here is a breakdown of all the workouts.

http://forum.videofitness.com/showthread.php?t=127483

There is 4 weeks in each phase, 3 phases (Burn, Push, Lean)
Your workout week looks like this:

Monday-Circuit 1
Tuesday-Rest
Wednesday-Circuit 2
Thursday-Burn Intervals/abs
Friday-Circuit 3
Saturday- Burn it off/recharge
Sunday- rest

Burn Intervals is a combination of high intensity cardio/ and light high rep weights (3-5lb dumbbells). It is a cardio workout. It's similar to Jari Love Ripped 1000.


Nightowl81,
I consider HIIT intervals. Maybe Cathe doesn't. Good question to ask her!
I plan to use Cardio Coach with STS 2x's a week and kickboxing on alternate days. I love Cathe's kickboxing!
 
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This isn't a quirk, this is a shout out to Chalene in the kitchen

This recipe rocks!!
On it's own, it is a treat.
Add some chicken breast chunks and you have lunch:) I made a batch this morning and added chopped walnuts in place of the almonds.

Waldorf salad spin-off
1 cup green apples
½ cup dried cranberries
½ cup crushed almonds
1 cup fat free yogurt
Dash of lemon juice
 
Here is a breakdown of all the workouts.

http://forum.videofitness.com/showthread.php?t=127483

There is 4 weeks in each phase, 3 phases (Burn, Push, Lean)
Your workout week looks like this:

Monday-Circuit 1
Tuesday-Rest
Wednesday-Circuit 2
Thursday-Burn Intervals/abs
Friday-Circuit 3
Saturday- Burn it off/recharge
Sunday- rest

Burn Intervals is a combination of high intensity cardio/ and light high rep weights (3-5lb dumbbells). It is a cardio workout. It's similar to Jari Love Ripped 1000.

So I'm confused, then, because the Burn Intervals ARE between two strength workouts, but you said above that it was a plyometric workout and would not allow muscles appropriate time to recover if you did it the day after a strength workout. Help!!!
 
So I'm confused, then, because the Burn Intervals ARE between two strength workouts, but you said above that it was a plyometric workout and would not allow muscles appropriate time to recover if you did it the day after a strength workout. Help!!!


CLX is a fat burning program so it is over training.
Muscle growth occurs when the body rest/recovers, and when you are eating a surplus of calories (at the very least maintenance).
Unless you are a beginner, you have to focus on fat loss or muscle growth separately. While you can gain muscle/strength with a fat loss program the gains are minimal. It's almost impossible to gain muscle when you are losing weight because in order to lose weight you need to create a calorie deficit.
Some fat loss occurs when you make muscle gains but it's a tricky balance in terms of calories.

IMO, the push phase promotes muscle growth, but then again, you have to eat enough calories to gain mass!
 
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So I'm confused, then, because the Burn Intervals ARE between two strength workouts, but you said above that it was a plyometric workout and would not allow muscles appropriate time to recover if you did it the day after a strength workout. Help!!!


Just try it as is and see what happens. If you don't like it, change it. I personally do this:

Burn 1
cardio
Burn 2
Rest
Burn Intervals
Burn 3
Burn it Off
Rest (recharge)

I'd suggest that you not worried into all the other stuff because it really won't affect your progress. Here's a link to an Alwyn Cosgrove article that says, "Just do it and adjust things as you go."

http://alwyncosgrove.blogspot.com/2008/12/take-action.html

IMHO, being consistent, working hard, & getting enough rest are more important that what you do when in terms of seeing results for 99.9% of the population.

I'm building muscle, seeing muscle definition & gaining strength on CLX. I can read 100 posts/article about how that CANNOT possibly be happening, but I've got a mirror and 2 eyes and it's happening. :)

Lastly, remember, these workouts are shorter than Cathe's. Burn it off is 27 min. of plyo moves, not 60. HTH!
 
IMHO, being consistent, working hard, & getting enough rest are more important that what you do when in terms of seeing results for 99.9% of the population.

This is true. However, if you look at Cathe and Fitness Freaks rotations they do have a formula with specific goals in mind.
Here is a link to a question to FF about circuit training.
http://www.cathenation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257279

I agree, it's important to just move and exercise but some people have specific goals.
Some want to lose fat and not gain muscle mass.
I want to gain muscle in my upper body and avoid adding size to my legs. How do I do that without a specific plan?
Asking questions, looking for formulas doesn't mean a person is not exercising or frozen in place. On the contrary. I think education helps us move forward. I'm not just reading and doing nothing. Alwyn's blog is meant for people who do nothing.

I want the most from my time in the gym. Asking questions helps me understand and teaches me how to map out my goals.
Millions of people want to become a millionaire. How do you do that without mapping out a specific plan?
 
This is true. However, if you look at Cathe and Fitness Freaks rotations they do have a formula with specific goals in mind.
Here is a link to a question to FF about circuit training.
http://www.cathenation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257279

I agree, it's important to just move and exercise but some people have specific goals.
Some want to lose fat and not gain muscle mass.
I want to gain muscle in my upper body and avoid adding size to my legs. How do I do that without a specific plan?
Asking questions, looking for formulas doesn't mean a person is not exercising or frozen in place. On the contrary. I think education helps us move forward. I'm not just reading and doing nothing. Alwyn's blog is meant for people who do nothing.

I want the most from my time in the gym. Asking questions helps me understand and teaches me how to map out my goals.
Millions of people want to become a millionaire. How do you do that without mapping out a specific plan?


Hi Cynthia,

Thanks for your post! I'm very sorry if I was unclear. I typed my post before I saw yours so please understand that my reply was NOT intended as a rebuttal of yours.

I don't say people should not ask questions and learn more to meet their fitness goals and I totally understand that different programs can lead to different results. I'm NOT criticizing anyone for requesting more information nor am I criticizing anyone giving information to help others. We all learn more by asking questions.

I also agree that not everyone is frozen in place awaiting more info before they do something, but I don't think Alwyn's blog only applies to the non-doers. His message essentially is "YMMV and you won't know if something works until YOU do it."

What you do to lean out your lower body may not work for the next person. Some people lean out when they do a particular Cathe or FF rotation, other's develop bulkier muscles than they want. That doesn't make the rotation unsound, because no plan will work exactly the same on everyone.

Yes, having a plan to meet a goal is excellent, but how many people do you know complain that they don't know how to eat healthfully because there's so much conflicting diet info there (No fat! Some fats are okay! No carbs! Healthy carbs are okay! Eat organic only! Become a vegan! Eat whole grains! Don't eat wheat! Don't count calories! Do count calories! etc. etc.)

That particular thread on VF bothered me because SO much conflicting info was introduced that many people became more confused about what they ought to do. (Should they add another weight routine? Intersperse STS w/ CLX? Would Jari produce the same results as CLX?)

You can only see what happens to you, when YOU actally do it and at some point, more information becomes non-productive. Like it does w/ all the conflicting eating programs. Again, I apologize if that did not come across. HTH clarify what I meant!
 
Hi Cynthia,


What you do to lean out your lower body may not work for the next person. Some people lean out when they do a particular Cathe or FF rotation, other's develop bulkier muscles than they want. That doesn't make the rotation unsound, because no plan will work exactly the same on everyone.

I completely agree. It's great that we have choices as long as they do not promote, "do nothing" until you figure it out. It's all trial and error and that may take a lifetime!

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. If something isn't working for me, I look for a different approach. That is what is so great about the forums. Yes, the information is often conflicting, but it doesn't mean it is all wrong. I keep working until I find what works for me.

I've read countless threads about how much cardio a person should do. Some say too much makes you fat, some say they need it everyday to maintain a lean body. I believe both are true, and we both know that too;) I didn't know that when I first started reading fitness articles/forums. Trial and error taught me that more cardio works for me.


Yes, having a plan to meet a goal is excellent, but how many people do you know complain that they don't know how to eat healthfully because there's so much conflicting diet info there (No fat! Some fats are okay! No carbs! Healthy carbs are okay! Eat organic only! Become a vegan! Eat whole grains! Don't eat wheat! Don't count calories! Do count calories! etc. etc.)

Well that's true for the entire population! IMO, that includes health care providers. I don't know if could have found the answer if I didn't have several sources to draw my own conclusions. Again, trial and error. I am constantly changing my diet, because my body is changing.
Back in the 80's we thought pasta was a great muscle food. I can remember eating pasta almost everyday:eek: LOL
It's a good thing my twenty something year old body could burn off all that starch! My 46 year old body can't quite manage large amounts of starch anymore. :(




That particular thread on VF bothered me because SO much conflicting info was introduced that many people became more confused about what they ought to do. (Should they add another weight routine? Intersperse STS w/ CLX? Would Jari produce the same results as CLX?)

I'll admit, that thread bothered me, and left me completely confused. I've learned to stick to what is working for me now and file info like that away. I was initially impressed with the whole MRT buzz word. I respect Alwyn Cosgrove as a trainer and own a few of his books. I was thrilled at the possibility Chalene consulted with him!

I personally feel the majority of women will benefit from CLX. JMO, of course!
I know I've never lifted like this before. Change is good.:) Having spent a summer doing Jari Ripped, and now CLX, I know they are completely different no matter how they are labeled. I believe I will see muscle gains with CLX, but I don't expect the same gains as I do with STS.
I'm in the push phase and it is creating less of a cardio effect. I'm hoping all the muscle repair my body is doing is picking up the slack as far as calories burned. I thought of adding cardio after the push circuits, but I'm going to stick to the program as written for right now.
My current focus is fat loss and my calories reflect that. I hope to shift that focus with STS.




Again, I apologize if that did not come across. HTH clarify what I meant!

No apology necessary!!!
 
I was just previewing the 2nd Lean Circuit workout, and during a row with a leg lift Chalene goes over to Donna and pops her on the butt and goes Woo! I love it! Then later she says we're gonna do a lateral raise with a hamstring curl - it's like this kinda stuff (and tries to pat her head and rub her stomach...she ends up rubbing both).

She's a nut - love her.
 
I like Chalene

I haven't bought the CLX because I'm happy with Cathe's weighted work outs and I don't feel I need anything more than that, and I haven't even bought STS. I'm happy with the Gym Style series and the Pyramid series.

As for Chalene...I love her TJ series. But there is a huge difference between Cathe and Chalene's instructional methods. Cathe is one of the best by far, and using Cede helps her tremendously, because not only does she count reps, she keeps us entertained too, and that's alot of work. Chalene, she too keeps us entertained, and I do find her quirky, but I like it. I like how she always tells us not to worry about how we look because no one can see us, or that if we mess up not to worry because we are still exersizing. My biggest complaint with Chalene is she doesn't always start on "our" right side...but sometimes hers, which is our left. And her counts are faster than Cathe's. A four count is really a 2 count to me after years of Cathe. I know, it's a different instructional style, but to me Cathe is the best. As for TJ...I love it and bought all the CD's, though I don't care for the Live versions for the very reasons some of you mentioned in the above posts....she walks around too much and doesn't tell you the next move until she's doing it. Other than that....I like Chalene. It's just hard to compare to "almost" perfection (Cathe)...lol. Oh, and I love her clothes too, they are just so "street" dance looking.
 
I now agree with Phat fitness (?)

Wow...I just did the first Burn workout and I'm ready to send it back right now!!! She was confusing as all get out! She doesn't count down the reps, you have to keep track yourself. There is a little counter on the screen that supposedly helps you keep track...but it confuses me more, because everyone in the background is going at their own pace. And in one exersize...she stops you half way through and tell you to go to the other leg when the count was on six and you were supposed to go to 12! You can tell even the people in the background are confused. You'd think her sister would say...hey, we have six more to do. Nothing wrong with correcting the instructor. I mean, it's not surprising she doesn't know where she is because she never finishes an entire workout because she's too busy chatting.

I actually talked myself out of buying STS because I thought (and still think) it's too difficult a program, but I'm starting to reconsider. I mean, I don't have to make it difficult...just doing the exercises alone has to be worth it even if I don't have the correct "1 rpm". But at least I can follow Cathe easily.

Oh...well, I didn't feel like I got a good workout today, so I'm putting in one of Cathe's Gym Style CD's and making up for it.
 
I'm really liking CLX. I love Chalene and her energy and I haven't even noticed the boots (where are the boots?)! I'm guessing I don't look at the tv much while I'm working out.

And speaking of appearance:
Seems just like yesterday people were complaining about Cathe with the super fake tan and the annoying sach and the hair extensions...I'm just saying.;)

I also don't think that the "bar" that Cathe set is that much higher (if at all) than other instructors anymore. Just my opinion:p. Don't get me wrong, Cathe is great, but so are a lot of others instructors out there.


I totally agree and I love Chalene's personality and even her funky workout wear! I've found variety is a GREAT thing in my workouts and make me enjoy Cathe that much more when I get back to her workouts. I'm already wanting CLX+ which is rumored to be in the works as well as Turbo Fire (more Turbo Jams). CLX was my first exposure to Chalene and sense than I've traded for several Turbo Jams. I'm enjoying my workouts and have stuck to this rotation for 6 weeks now and going strong!!!! I pretty much enjoy everything about CLX. Some things I hope she does different for CLX+ is giving different warm ups and I would love if the Turbo Fire cardio's were part of CLX+. I'm totally saving my money for CLX+ and Turbo Fire. They are professional, fun, effective and set the bar as high as any Cathe workout (that's not putting Cathe down, I'm just saying I'm enjoying Chalene's workouts as much as I've enjoyed my Cathe workouts).
 
Wow...I just did the first Burn workout and I'm ready to send it back right now!!! She was confusing as all get out! She doesn't count down the reps, you have to keep track yourself. There is a little counter on the screen that supposedly helps you keep track...but it confuses me more, because everyone in the background is going at their own pace. And in one exersize...she stops you half way through and tell you to go to the other leg when the count was on six and you were supposed to go to 12! You can tell even the people in the background are confused. You'd think her sister would say...hey, we have six more to do. Nothing wrong with correcting the instructor. I mean, it's not surprising she doesn't know where she is because she never finishes an entire workout because she's too busy chatting.

I actually talked myself out of buying STS because I thought (and still think) it's too difficult a program, but I'm starting to reconsider. I mean, I don't have to make it difficult...just doing the exercises alone has to be worth it even if I don't have the correct "1 rpm". But at least I can follow Cathe easily.

Oh...well, I didn't feel like I got a good workout today, so I'm putting in one of Cathe's Gym Style CD's and making up for it.

On some of the exercises you are doing 6 on each side for a total of 12. She's walking around giving form pointers and pointing out what her crew are doing right. She has a completely different style from Cathe. I've made more progress with the weight I'm using with CLX then I've ever made with Cathe's workouts. I can't wait to see how I do with Cathe's workouts once I complete my CLX rotatation.
 

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