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With regards to the frequent eating, I've always felt that since our ancestors were hunter/gatherers, they probably ate small meals frequently while gathering. Just my own personal theory, but it seems like it would be okay to me.
 
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What show of Jilllian's are you referring to? Does she have a podcast or is she on Sirius satellite? Also, has anyone read her last book Making the Cut? Does it make sense to read Master your Metabolism first? Getting very excited to get my book! Oh,also in regards to avoiding soy...is whey protein powder safe? Thank you !
 
recently on BeachBody Tony Horton says he is vegan now also and only eats fish once in awhile..

i think it's funny when people call themselves "vegans" but eat fish "once in a while" -- then you're not a vegan! fish are amimals. all the time, not once in a while lol.

in my opinion, we should be eating WHEN WE ARE HUNGRY. not every 2 hrs, or 6 times a day, or based on some other time table. eat when your body says it needs food. just like babies - they only eat when they are hungry, and just enough until they are full. somewhere along the way we forget this and eat way too much, way too often.
 
Nothing against Jillian, but I have a hard time following her advice about not eating things that aren't organic, or trying to stay "natural" when she hawks all those products on Biggest Loser with all the fake non-organic sweeteners. Shouldn't she tell people to have a couple of grapes instead of Extra sugar-free gum? Nobody can convince me the gum is better for you than the grapes! ;)


...in my opinion, we should be eating WHEN WE ARE HUNGRY. not every 2 hrs, or 6 times a day, or based on some other time table. eat when your body says it needs food.....

I agree a zillion percent! I've decided to skip breakfast (or any other meal) when I'm not hungry. I only gained these 10 pounds when I started eating breakfast because "it's the most important meal of the day." Guess who probably started that, the breakfast food companies!
 
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i think it's funny when people call themselves "vegans" but eat fish "once in a while" -- then you're not a vegan! fish are amimals. all the time, not once in a while lol.

That drives me crazy, my co-worker makes a big deal about being vegan but she eats fish - she reads all of these vegan books and I'm like hello!!! Have you realized your not vegan yet, I don't know if she does it to impress folks but it drives me crazy for some reason, trying to act so smart yet being so stupid.

Sorry....my vent is over!!!
 
I don't get that either!! I'm not even vegan and it bugs me. I no longer eat chicken, beef or pork. I do eat fish though (for now) and so would never even call myself a vegetarian never mind a vegan!! Geez.
 
I'm a vegetarian....no chicken, fish or meat, because I can't stand it. But there is only so much I can control, and if I consume something that I later discover had a chicken bouillion cube in it, I shrug my shoulders...if I couldn't taste it how bad could it have been?

At those times I just refer to it as being a "vegetarian-slut" :p ....I'm easy when there's not much to to about it!
 
I don't care for labels anyway. I don't eat chicken, beef, pork or any other meat aside from fish and I don't consume dairy, I don't think I am much of anything but one of my friends insisted that I am vegan, I tried to explain that I am really not but that it really didn't matter one way or another.

At some point I just gave up and thought "Whatever" :eek:

Govtgirl, I am with you, I don't kill myself if I find that chicken broth is in a meal or I ate mashed potatoes that I later found out that DH put milk in, oh well. I try to limit it though and do read nutrition labels.
 
I don't care for labels anyway. I don't eat chicken, beef, pork or any other meat aside from fish and I don't consume dairy, I don't think I am much of anything but one of my friends insisted that I am vegan, I tried to explain that I am really not but that it really didn't matter one way or another.

At some point I just gave up and thought "Whatever" :eek:

lol. I "try" to be vegan. To me it's no meat of any kind (yes I consider fish a meat :p) and no dairy, no eggs. I just can't stand the idea of eating meat. And dairy flares my allergies. Not sure why I changed over the years as I was raised by die-hard carnivores. But I'm not militant about it. To each his/her own.

I think if you're a vegetarian that eats dairy and eggs you're an ovo-lacto vegetarian. If you eat fish or chicken you're a semi-vegetarian. If you're a raw vegan you eat unprocessed, living, plant based foods. Yes I know there are raw foodists that eat meat but I think they're raw foodists not raw vegans. I think the exception that a lot of vegans make is for bee products - pollen and honey.

If you are what you eat, I'm a big ball of spinach with some almonds attached :D
 
i think it's funny when people call themselves "vegans" but eat fish "once in a while" -- then you're not a vegan! fish are amimals. all the time, not once in a while lol.

in my opinion, we should be eating WHEN WE ARE HUNGRY. not every 2 hrs, or 6 times a day, or based on some other time table. eat when your body says it needs food. just like babies - they only eat when they are hungry, and just enough until they are full. somewhere along the way we forget this and eat way too much, way too often.

i so agree with this!!!!! i would really love to get back to listening to my body's natural hunger/full rhythm but i have been brainwashed about eating based on the clock. has anyone had any luck getting back to listening to their body cues? this has been so hard for me.
 
i so agree with this!!!!! i would really love to get back to listening to my body's natural hunger/full rhythm but i have been brainwashed about eating based on the clock. has anyone had any luck getting back to listening to their body cues? this has been so hard for me.

I hear you on being brainwashed. I felt the same way. What helped me "get over the clock" and "get over mini meals all day" was doing intermittent fasting (5pm to 5pm, you pick your own times) twice a week for a few weeks. That really set a "light bulb" off in my head that I won't "kill-over" go into "starvation-mode" or screw-up my "metabolism" or lose all my "muscle" if I skip a meal. It actually felt pretty darn good. Then I read Naturally Thin by Bethanny Frankel. That really put me back into perspective. She has some great ideas, tips and thoughts about food. For the last month or so, I've been eating when I want and what I want and have been completely happy and I eat much better than before because I'm not deprived and I'm not force feeding myself foods I don't like every couple of hours and I'm not constantly thinking about food. It's just not worth it to me to be controlled by the clock and by that perfect macro meal. I did that for years and it didn't help me look any better (maybe for only brief moments) and it actually made me gain weight in the end.
 
This is a really interesting discussion.

I think my problem with intuitive eating is that I do not know HOW to listen to my body anymore. My main intuitive eating book - can't think of the name right now - says that most of us have lost our ability to really listen to our bodies and its needs. The authors advocate eating every 3 hours or so until the body can regulate itself enough to give out proper signals. My signals have been all messed up (maybe because of my insane eating habits and the BIG diet of a few years ago when I lost 35 lbs from calorie counting- and also maybe because of chemotherapy back in 2005 - 2006).

I was a strong advocate against eating every 2 - 3 hours, but I read Tosca Reno's book (and she actually only advocates 5 meals a day - not six). I have been following it - and my body appears to be regulating itself and my cravings for sweets have STOPPED completely. I eat about every 2 - 4 hours - small meals. I don't think about food all the time and I find that I am honestly hungry at these intervals and full when I'm done. And it seems that my body is finally releasing the weight.

I think we have to experiment with what works - but honestly, when I said I would just listen and eat what I wanted to eat - I ate sweets all the time. Since I started trying to regulate my eating and only eating clean, my body stopped CRAVING chocolate and sweets. I eat them when I choose to eat them - not because I MUST have them. Does that make sense?

Good discussion!!
 
Regarding eating schedules, I find it best to eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. There are about five hours between meals (sometimes six). I'm always hungry for my next meal, but I do count my calories (even though I'm not currently trying to lose weight), and when I have my calories, I'm done. And, oddly enough, I'm usually pretty well satisfied too.

I don't think eating has to be rocket science and, unfortunately, I think that is what some in the diet industry want to make it sound like it needs to be because if they didn't, the general population might not be so willing to spend money to read/listen to what they are trying to say. While I do believe there is good and useful information to be gained from reading many things about diet and nutrition, I also have to believe that there is a certain motivation behind 'special' plans that make something as simple as eating sound so complex.

I've not read Jillian's book yet (I've been waiting to read more reviews), but I do listen to her podcasts. And she seems to have a relatively sensible approach to nutrition. Regarding her veganism, she has been pretty open to the fact that she isn't truly a vegan since she eats fish, so I don't have problems with what she is saying. It isn't as if she is trying to say that a vegan diet includes eating fish. That I'd have a problem with. But somebody who follows a primarily vegan diet but eats fish and admits that....I have no problem. There are different motivations for being vegan (some concerned with animal rights, some because of the food industry, etc), and so I think there is some room out there for vegan-ish people like Jillian. She has also been very open is saying that what works for her won't work for everybody, so I'm not surprised to see her not take a strong stand on being vegan.

Regarding the products she pushes on The Biggest Loser, she is the first to admit she hates those spots. In fact, she doesn't really have too many kind words for The Biggest Loser. But she just signed on for two more seasons, so.......
 
Yes - I saw that on the show last week! Sort of scary. I thought to myself, clearly, hopefully, she does not ever use KBs. And her little weight was not helping matters.
 
Based on her morning talking show on KFI (aired 4/5/09) she says that she's "veganish" meaning that she still eats fish, but that's it.

According to what she has said on her show, more or less. She was always really pro-meat in the past (saying we are omnivores) but apparently was turned off by the (lack of) ethics in factory farming as well as the use of antibiotics etc. She's not vegan - she eats yogurt and fish - but is not consuming other meat or dairy products and encourages people to consider a more vegetarian diet. That's why I was surprised by the book, based on the show I thought there'd be more discussion along those lines. BUT, books are generally a few years in the making. It could be that the publishers were loathe to change it at a late date, or didn't want to turn off some of the reading audience.
 
Since I started trying to regulate my eating and only eating clean, my body stopped CRAVING chocolate and sweets. I eat them when I choose to eat them - not because I MUST have them. Does that make sense?

this totally makes sense. you eat them when you choose, which means YOU have the control over your eating, your cravings, and your treats. YOU have the control. so yes, this totally makes sense to me. your brain isn't constantly craving it because you allow yourself chocolate when you choose. your brain is satisfied!

life is way to short to not eat chocolate anyway!
 
not a good day! i binged on carbs. I tried to eat larger less frequent meals but b/c i'm at work from 7 to noon i didn't have my normal midmorning snack and when i got home i ate my regular healthy lunch but my hunger was uncontrollable and binged on about 1000cals worth of carbs!!!!!! I guess this is why she recommends eating every 4 but my work schedule doesn't allow this. I just ordered the book the beck solution to work on my thinking since i see food as black or white. i also think that i'm not eating enought. i try to stay under 1500 cals but i think on my workout days i need to be eating closer to 1800. i guess diet is all about trial and error. one thing is for sure that i'm realizing, the only types of food that i binge on is processed foods even if they are considered clean: cereal, soy joy bars, any type of protein bars. I have never binged on clean natural foods. You won't catch me eating a dozen apples (cookies yes, apples no) I have got to get off the artificial sweetners and processed bars! I'm linking all of these things to my cravings and recent development of headaches! After my binge i'm about at 2000cals for the day which isn't terrible. I know that i binged also b/c i did cardio coach 5 this morning and i didn't eat enough after this intense workout. Well, i'll just count this as a carb up day LOL and move one. I'm trying to be more positive about it.
 
Here is what I have figured out. I am 43, perimenopausal and over the past 12 weeks I have lost 11 pounds -- when previously I have only gained weight for three years after extensive hormone therapy really messed me up.

Line up your nutrients. That doesn't just mean eat clean (and I don't always) but make sure that all your nutrition needs have been met. I actually use the nutrition program here on Cathenation.com - and I do it with real food, not supplements if possible. When everything is lined up, and I am only 750 kcal below my activity level, I stop being hungry. (I have a GWF, can you tell?) If I try to eat less and lose faster, it just doesn't work, I binge or my body holds on to fat.

Anyway, that is what is working for me.

Tobermory
 

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