Mackenzie Phillips

So many great books in the world....and too little time for reading the self serving tripe of drugged-out has-been celebrities who actually think the rest of us give a rat's patooty about their lives. :rolleyes:
 
When I got home yesterday I seen the end of the Oprah show. I didn't realize she was on the show yesterday. I now wish I could have seen the whole show. Mackenzie looks aweful. You can tell she's had a hard life. I thought it was touching that Valerie Bertinelli was on and from what I saw, (and I know they are actors and all that), but it looked real. Tears, tremoring in the voices, etc.

Anyways, I seen a short clip of the Oprah show this morning on ABC and there was a clip where Mick Jagger tells Mackenzie that he has waited a long time for "this". WTH? What kind of creep is he? Turned my stomach and now I think he is a total pig.

This story is going to open a HUGE can of worms, with Mick included.

Dang I wish I would have seen the whole show. From now on I'm taping Oprah and if I don't like what she's talking about, I'll just delete it from my DVR. Personally I can't stand Oprah.

What I can't figure out is: Why did she consent to this? Was it because she was all drugged up and didn't know what she was doing?
 
I think that the fact that she admits the relationship became consensual makes it extremely believable to me. The humility in admitting that just blows me away. She could have said that he just raped her all the time, but she takes some responsiblity for it as well. From what I understand, she is trying to bring an extremely touchy subject to light with the intention of saying, "hey, this is a problem that society has not addressed. Incest happens in families more than we know and we need to deal with it."

That is the message I am getting here. Frankly, I think she has all kinds of stories from her crazy life that would sell books without the addition of this issue. I think she is trying to forgive her father and herself, and I really hope she can live the rest of her life without these demons. I think she deserves a break.
 
Yeah, I don't get why she eventually consented either. I suppose it was the combination of being wasted, having a father who obviously was a sick man, and having absolutely no one else to turn to for help.

I agree ~ though she did say that Mick never did anything inappropriate with her and didn't have sex with her until she was 18 ~ she did NOT make him look good. I always thought he was creepy anyway.

She changed her story about her night with him a bit, which has me puzzled. When she first mentioned her Mick-encounter years ago in a similar interview, she said her father literally handed her over to Mick, knowing they were going to have sex. Yet yesterday, she claims her father banged on the door and demanded to be let it, as if he was angry and wanted to stop it.

That's a big difference. As I said before, I believe most of what she says because I know people are capable of this kind of crap, but now I wonder what's the truth, what's exaggeration, and what is simply drug-induced fiction.

There's a follow-up show on Friday, I think.
 
(So many great books in the world....and too little time for reading the self serving tripe of drugged-out has-been celebrities who actually think the rest of us give a rat's patooty about their lives. )

Beavs well said!!!!

Therese
 
I guess we'll never really know what happened with Mackenzie and why, but I feel very badly for her. It is clear she has had a very difficult life and not many coping skills.
 
I saw the quick follow up today. Her sister and few others backed up her story, which I'm sure was a big relief for her.

In regards to her writing a book, I've been thinking about it for a couple of days now. Clearly it is part of her healing, not only to get the truth out in the open but to reach out to others who suffer in a similar fashion. If she can help or inspire someone else get out of a self-destructive lifestyle, then her pain all these years hasn't been for nothing. Her life will have a deeper meaning.

I know when I'm dealing with something, the first thing I do is look for books on the subject. Hopefully those who struggle with drugs and unhealthy, manipulative relationships will read her story and gain the courage to change.
 
I agree, cheerful H2O. I would think it takes even more courage for a celebrity to come out with a book on such a subject - and it takes an insane amount of courage already just for an abuse survivor to speak to a therapist about it.
 
I am with morningstar and laughingwater. I believe her and can imagine how painful it must be not to be believed. Belief comes from within, so I cant blame those who dont believe.

Her story is so sad. Being rich and famous is no protection from being abused or a messed up upbringing. I hope she finds peace.
 
Consent -yeah, I believe it, it happens more than we like to believe (my mom was a social worker for 30 years and this story is not uncommon, sadly).

Mom saw many times that in these cases, the abuser is "kind" and seductive, and the sex, as sick and twisted as it sounds, is not painful, but seems loving and pleasurable to the poor child being abused - ick, ....she lived in a world where anything goes, and so it was...and she's paid for it with a life that could've been brilliant (she is intelligent and talented), but ended up full of addiction and pain.

John Phillips, I'm shocked,yet, not at all shocked....sad.
 
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