Mackenzie Phillips

Many years ago, I remember her telling the story about her father handing her over to Mick Jagger. So disgusting.

I believe her and hope she finds some peace after coming out with this.
 
I feel sad and angry for her. She was clearly taken advantage of by her father. It doesn't matter her age, it matters who raised her and how she grew up and obviously she was raised, well, poorly.

I have no reason not to believe her. Things like this happen all over the world every day. Wasn't it last year that a woman was found to have been held captive in the basement of her father's home. He raped her over and over, she gave birth to his children and her and those children were held in that basement for years without contact with the real world. That sounds unbelievable, but it happened. And so it is possible that what happened with Phillips is true.
 
meliffy18 said:
They are both messed up: the father for engaging in this type of behavior with his daughter and the daughter for consenting! It's not like she was a young child and he molested her and she thought the relationship was ok; she was NINETEEN!! You know this is wrong, no matter how many drugs you pump into your system. And I'm sorry, all of a sudden she wakes up from the "blackout" and realizes it needs to end? I don't buy it.
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I can see this happening. Nothing surprises me anymore. It's easy for us to stand on the outside looking in and make judgments about people but until you have lived the life and walked in her shoes you can't make judgments. I feel nothing but compassion for her and her family.
 
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morningstar said:
If the family wasn't famous, no one would have any trouble believing it.
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Regardless of how famous she is, I would question it. It just seems too coincidental that this came out at the same time as her book. Scandals sell. And because she is from a famous family makes me question it even more; celebrities have done some shady dealings to make a buck and bank off their fame. People are crazy.
 
nancy324 said:
Not that it matters much, but Chynna Phillips is the half-sister. Michelle Phillips is not related except as an ex-stepmom.
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That's what I thought. I thought Michelle was her parent (step parent) at some point in her life. I personally think Mackenzie and Michelle look a lot alike in the facial features.
 
It's gross and sad. But my question is - why would you share this with the world. This is something between you and your therapist, or close relations or whatever. Not fodder for a book or the Oprah show.
 
meliffy18 said:
Regardless of how famous she is, I would question it. It just seems too coincidental that this came out at the same time as her book. Scandals sell. And because she is from a famous family makes me question it even more; celebrities have done some shady dealings to make a buck and bank off their fame. People are crazy.
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That's kind of what I"m thinking. If her family wasn't famous, but she'd just written a book about drug addiction & then went on national TV & talked about how she had sex w/her dad--& notice she called it "incest," not "rape"--then I'd still see it as a promotion.

I agree she had a pretty twisted upbringing & a tough life. I feel bad that she had to go through this. I just think the timing is suspicious, is all.
 
I just can't trivialize this as 'trying to get publicity'. Mackenzie Phillips has had plenty of publicity thoughout her life because let's face it, her life has been a train wreck. I can't help but feel for this woman because the adults in her life let her down from a very early age and it has obviously scarred her for life.
 
Someone just told me about this. The whole thing is sick. Sick that a man would be so twisted on drugs and in his head that he would think this OK. Sick that a young woman would be so twisted on drugs and in her head that she would consent to it. Sick that she can sell books talking about what should be a private, painful family horror. Sick that people will actually buy the book.

My heart goes out to all involved. May they be free of suffering.
 
NY25 said:
It's gross and sad. But my question is - why would you share this with the world. This is something between you and your therapist, or close relations or whatever. Not fodder for a book or the Oprah show.
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*nods* I thought the same thing.

I was thinking about it while working on dinner. I wonder if there's a part of her that's really, really angry at her father and every other person who mislead or manipulated her, and this book gives her a chance to hit back after all these years.

I know ultimately the book was written to make money, but there could be some therapeutic effect by going public.
 
Part of the trauma of being a sexual abuse victim is dealing with the perceived shame of being abused. All those people that say she should keep this private and to herself may have the effect of saying "she should be ashamed that this happened to her".
 
If you saw the interview, she DOES call it rape as well as incest.
It was an incredibly moving interview and what I saw was a woman in agony and pain for a lifetime who is trying to move on and become healed. I did not feel she was sensationalizing her life or making excuses for her choices. I saw a woman in pain.
Whether or not it's a ploy to sell more books, the reality is this is a woman who has suffered horribly at her own hand as well as others.
 
meliffy18 said:
They are both messed up: the father for engaging in this type of behavior with his daughter and the daughter for consenting! It's not like she was a young child and he molested her and she thought the relationship was ok; she was NINETEEN!! You know this is wrong, no matter how many drugs you pump into your system. And I'm sorry, all of a sudden she wakes up from the "blackout" and realizes it needs to end? I don't buy it.
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IMO, I would be EXTREMELY surprised if something sexually inappropriate DIDN'T begin in her childhood, and maybe she just doesn't remember it. Any father capable of doing that to his 19 year old daughter while she's blacked out is capable of molesting her when she was younger. Again, this is just my opinion and intuition, but it definitely would not surprise me.

I really feel sorry for her, and hope she can somehow find peace and healing.

dani
 
morningstar said:
Part of the trauma of being a sexual abuse victim is dealing with the perceived shame of being abused. All those people that say she should keep this private and to herself may have the effect of saying "she should be ashamed that this happened to her".
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thank you morningstar i couldn't have tried to say it better myself.

while i understand the disgust and judgment b/c drugs and fame were involved and she was an adult,maybe somebody here should pick up a book called "courage to heal surviving child sexual abuse" it does touch on a subject like this. it doesn't say to go on oprah or tell the world but it does explain why ppl don't tell of sexual abuse b/c of comments like this as well as lack of understanding of what control an abuser has. i don't see her just start having sex with her dad when she was an adult something had to have started at least mind control wise when she was a child(i see somebody mentioned that)

i am trying to be respectful in understanding that many think its just another woman trying to sell a book to live off her father's fame but at the same time i feel offended b/c i was abused from 11-14 and he attempted to carry out his threats to hurt the family b/c i told. can you imagine something similar for this to continue? he could have told her she would be the one shamed or blamed or branded a liar, that is a horrible feeling.

on the same hand i am intended to believe anybody who said they were raped(which is any forced sex act a woman doesn't have to fight for it to be rape,she just has to say its not right) b/c if they really were you can do more damage by not believing them,but if she is just doing this to make money or a sell a book then shame on her for disgracing those of us who have been through such horrible ordeals ourselves. b/c comments like i am reading do hurt survivors that are trying to heal,it may not be directed at us but he still feel that sting. i really encourage somebody thumb through that above title at barnes and nobles,its my bible.

kassia
 
dania said:
IMO, I would be EXTREMELY surprised if something sexually inappropriate DIDN'T begin in her childhood, and maybe she just doesn't remember it. Any father capable of doing that to his 19 year old daughter while she's blacked out is capable of molesting her when she was younger. Again, this is just my opinion and intuition, but it definitely would not surprise me.

I really feel sorry for her, and hope she can somehow find peace and healing.

dani
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dani you are not far off esp. since the height of his fame when she was a child would make her crazy and make her block it out b/c she can't believe that anybody would believe its true. its not a far off theory among child abuse survivors sexual or otherwise, but that overwhelming feeling still lingers which is why so many turn to drugs or other mental disorders b/c they feel they are to blame for their feelings when it fact its a blocked memory. sometimes abusers will often teach this to children to make them think they are crazy or nobody will believe them.

kassia
 
Kassia, thank you for sharing with us. I think there are probably a great many women on this forum that have gone through something similar and I appreciate your courage in speaking out.
 
morningstar said:
Kassia, thank you for sharing with us. I think there are probably a great many women on this forum that have gone through something similar and I appreciate your courage in speaking out.
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thank you for your kind thoughts :D,after 20 years i am just starting to get help for this problem for to many years in and out of rehabs and hiding behind drugs and alcohol and anger. it was going to destroy my marriage as well as my mental health. you can't imagine the first time i told my therapist(after months of seeing her) that it literally felt like a weight off my shoulders.

i still can't speak of certain details b/c it feels like being choked out(trigger of abuse) but i can say it happened, its not my fault i don't blame it on my poor choices but it did have an impact.

i was also not believed by my mother, branded a liar by his side of the family and def. wound up as the black sheep for years. so i had to deal with this as a teen just coming into the prime of learning the world and the world seemed dark and anger and hurtful so i went on life like that. makes for a sad existence.when i lived with my grandparents it was the only resemblance of normal life that i learned, imagine many children do not even get this. they grow up in the continued darkness or they are kill or permanently damaged mentally or physically. shame and anger has a deep effect on the mind.

that is why if somebody confides in me about something i believe them, b/c i could have gotten help earlier if my mom didn't side with him and its damaging to say the victim is the liar its best to make them feel safe b/c its all they want.

i can't speak for mackanzie's experience but if this is what she has been running from with drugs all these years then i hope she can remember and heal. b/c like dani said i don't see this just happening one day when she was 19. she said he had no boundaries so what would stop him before and for a child that is a severe impact. unless you went through it or work with ppl who have been through it, one cannot even understand.

whew it does take a lot to speak of it,this is why i didn't want more then two sessions a week for therapy. b/c it sometimes physically takes a toll of emotions.

kassia
 
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