I know kids say things in anger, but....

Worknprogress

Cathlete
My almost 17-year old daughter was talking to me tonight about her Homecoming dilemna. She had a "friend" ask her to go a couple of days ago and she didn't know how to say no, so she accepted but has another guy (the one she actually wants to go with) who is going to ask her tommorrow.

In asking me what she should do, I explained over and over, for about a half hour what I thought was the right thing to do. But she kept going on and on about all of it that I realized that she was really wrapped up in the drama of it all. So I simply told her that if she let all this drama continue that she was more interested in the drama than a resolution. That if she wasn't going to go with the first guy that asked her, that she needed to be honest with him right away and not drag it out. Of course, she got mad at me, stormed upstairs and proceeded to take a shower. This is where it gets ugly.

5 minutes later, while she is in the shower, I go upstairs and close all the windows so it doesn't get too cold tonight. I then hear her saying quite loudly that "why couldn't it have been me that died a year ago, rather than the best friend (which was her best friend's mother as well)." That she hated me and wished I was the one that died instead of our very dear friend.

Now, I know that kids when younger children get mad they will get say stuff like they are leaving home, etc. and I never took it personally. But this very special person in our lives that died was very real to all of us and left a huge gap. ?Also, this wasn't a young child saying this but my almost grown up daughter.

I am struggling with the fact that she could say something so horrific especially since we all still miss our dear friend so much. I continue to reach out to her daughter, make them food, etc. Her passing was a huge impact on all of our lives.

This isn't a game - it isn't something you just throw around in anger. What happened between myself and my daughter was just normal mother/daughter stuff so to hear her say that, it was devastating.

I know I am rambling but I am at a complete loss. I could have handled, "I hate you" or "you're the worst mother in the world" - anything other than, "I wish you were dead instead of Letty." And for the fact that she didn't even know I was up there so she wasn't saying it to me in anger. She was just expressing her feelings out loud.

I did confront her about what she said and things just went downhill. She never apologized for what she said. She just kept saying things to make the situation worse.

I don't know where to go from here.

Thanks for letting me ramble.
 
I am sorry this happened to you. This is indeed hurtful behaviour. I think what I would do is leave my daughter alone for a few days, no interaction, just go about my business, but not solicit interaction with her. She needs some silent space in which to think for herself about the horrid things she said to you. She needs to apologize and I would hope that she would come to realize this on her own and apologize to you.

If after a few days she still has not, I would then initiate the conversation with her and let her know in very clear terms exactly how hurtful those words were to you. I would then still leave her alone and go about my life, devoting my energies to those people who show they care about me. Can't keep throwing love into a temporary vacuum. I certainly would not discuss the dramatic episodes of her life with her again any time soon. If she wants a sounding board, I could be that, but I would need a sincere apology first. Then, I would ask her to stipulate exactly what she wants from me: silent soundboard or actual advice. If she asks for the advice, she is then not allowed to blow up at you when she is still unable to handle her own affairs reasonably. There have to be rules, I think, for further discussions of this sort.

Meanwhile, hang in there, because if she is the drama queen you say she is, then those words were just further evidence of her flair for the self-indulgent dramatic. But, perhaps, that could also be a topic for further discussion between you: the extent to which drama is self-indulgent and the rest of the family will not cater to it.

Chin up and good luck, and remember we all have days, weeks, months where we wonder why we bother giving love to our kids. Sometimes there's so little in return. But at other times, ahh.....

Clare
 
:( Sorry this has happened between you and your daughter. Disclaimer, I am not a mother so my only qualification on advice is based on once being a 17 year old girl.

The thing to remember is that your daughter is obviously still grieving and what she said was part of that grieving triggered by anger and the hormones of a 17 year old girl. You have to know she didn't really mean that. They were just words without any realization of the impact of those words.

I hope she does the right thing and apologizes on her own within the next few days. If she doesn't you may need to confront her and discuss both of your feelings.

(((hugs)))
 
She is ruminating (people who ruminate go over things over and over and over again without being able to act or follow through to a conclusion)

I would call her to task on it. Explain to her you overheard her talking about the death of her friend and you and what she said is totally unacceptable. You are disappointed in her. She is xx years from being an adult and adults don't speak or think like that. So if she wants to follow it through to a conclusion, she can pack her bags immediately and get out of the house or she can apologize to you and start acting like an adult.

(I live with teenagers and I find you need to be tough and let them know there is a whole ugly world out there they will need to contend with if they cannot live successfully in my house).
 
Update: she did come down around 2 am (I couldn't sleep - was on the couch) and apologized. But my head is still reeling. When I said in my original post that things went downhill after I confronted her, that was an understatement.

She became very smug about it and then proceeded to say things to me and follow it with a "you stupid bitch." Then she called her father (we have been divorced for years) to come get her. She was flat out lying to him about what had happened and then he starts going off about me. (We don't get along at all. He is a recovering addict that has put his kids through hell and I have always had to pick up the pieces. And when drug-free, he still doesn't participate much in their lives). So I am sitting there listening to my daughter tell my ex-husband that I am a psycho-bitch, and other things along that line and he is on the other side saying terrible things about me as well and she was just laughing.

So even though she apologized well into the night, I still can't get out of my head all of the things she said to me and the very hurtful conversation she had with her dad.

All of this because she didn't like something I said when she was asking ME for advice. Then when she flipped out on me, I took her cell phone from her and told her to go to bed and that's when all this ugliness started. Over a cell phone!! Her behavior is so far over the top, my head is spinning.

At first it made me very angry, but now I am very very sad and cannot stop crying about it. I lost my mother when I was 28 and wish every day of my life she was still living.

It's just so disturbing my daughter could be this hurtful. It makes my heart very heavy.
 
((hug)) I'm sorry she said that, Debbie. :( Though I have a teen, I haven't experienced anything like this (yet!), and I wouldn't know what to do if I had, so I defer to the other posters while offering you as much support as I can.

Edit: I just read your update. How awful! Honestly, if my daughter did all this, I'd throw in the towel and send her to live with her dad. Just because we're mothers doesn't mean it's okay to use us as punching bags. We're still human beings.

Maybe some time with her dad would straighten her out and make her see that Mom isn't so bad after all.
 
Last edited:
Debbie - I don't really know what to say to all of this; my children are still very young and do not know how to be hurful yet :( I am not really looking forward to the teenage years...sigh...I just wanted to say that I am sorry that this happened to you. My heart hurts for you. I am so sorry...

Clarissa
 
OMG Debbie, I am so sorry! From what I know of you, you're a very sweet & caring person. Like Dawn, I'm not a parent so I can only speak from the perspective of a teen daughter, & I was not a very good daughter either. :eek: I can tell you at some point in my 20s I realized how awful I'd been to my parents & have done everything I can to make up for it.

I think maybe your daughter is doing something a lot of young girls do, esp. when it comes to her father--she's working the manipulation thing, but she's not very good at it yet. ;) She's also probably not yet realized the universe does not revolve around her so doesn't understand the consequences of her anger towards you. I suspect if it really sunk in she'd feel pretty badly.

Have you ever done any family counseling? Sounds like you could both benefit from it.
 
I can honestly say "de ja vu" here. Divorced with a very strong willed DD who did things like that to me. It is hurtful and I don't understand since I was not that way when I was in my teens. I too lost my mother, at 25, and wish she was here.

I have read and heard that teens make bad decisions based upon their brains not being completely developed. Then there is the hormonal aspect, the peer pressure, the "need" for many of them to be wanted and liked, etc.

I always tried to take those types of anger with a grain of salt though it always tore into me with the worst pain one can imagine. Teens just do not always think or act based upon making good judgment calls - kinda the reason she came to you in the first place. She knew what she wanted to do, wanted to be nice to the first boy, likes the second boy and created a problem for herself. She asked you for advice - but I think it was more for you to tell her that the way she wanted to proceed was OK. You were honest with her and she didn't like the advice you gave her. Thus she turns on you. Mine did that all the time.

Mine kids are 20 thru 24 and have matured very nicely in just the span of 5 years. They have learned lots and still come to me for my opinion - not that they always follow it.

All in all, I understand how much you are hurting. Don't worry about the ex - even your daughter knows who and what he really is (mine completely understand who and what their father is/does) but they sometimes used their dad to try to "get back at me". Thank goodness she apologized so she does understand she hurt you and does love you. Try to keep that communication open, be honest but stick to raising her the way you feel is right. My DD moved out at 17 because my new DH didn't want her boyfriend in the house (piercings, black loose clothing, etc.) and she ended up moving in with her dad. Not a good thing, didn't last for more than 6 months, but she is honest, head strong, opinionated and we love each other. Just don't always agree so we agree to disagree. I'm sure she has said many things about me but some people speak just to speak and it is not always coming from the heart.

Hang in there - keep talking to her even if she gets mad - keep that connection and you'll get through it.

My heart goes out to you . . .
 
Oh yeah. Been there done that. There comes a point in your daughter’s life that you will not like her, and it's ok to not like her. I have a drama queen daughter also. I literally would bang my head against the wall. You need to step back and just be a Mom and close yourself off emotionally from her until she matures. She will do anything to get at you and if she does then she wins. You need to tell her how her actions cause pain and the behavior is unacceptable, tell her you are disappointed in her (that always hit home with my daughter). Then limit your contact with her to just Mom duties for awhile.

I guarantee that in time she will become human again. My daughter is now in her 20's and is a great person. Just hang in there and try not to get pulled down in her quest for drama.
 
I am so sorry for what you are going thru with your daughter. I have 2 sons (no girls) who are both well out of their teens now--thankfully. I think boys may be easier on their mother. I remember arguing with my son when he was a teen and he said to me that he was sure I wished that I had never had him. I remember replying to him that he was the best thing that ever happened to me and he just fell silent. Have you told your daughter how bad she made you feel. I would hold back the anger and tell her how much she hurt your feelings. Such a major over reaction makes me think something else is going on. Wishing you all the best and sending you hugs. Teenagers are so hard. You worry yourself sick about them.
 
Deb,
I'm sorry to hear all this as well. I haven't read all the responses so I'm sorry if this has been asked already. But I just wanted to ask, could she have some type of mental problem? I say this only because it sounds like my step-daughter and I am convinced she is bi-polar. She goes off like that and says horrible things. No one in my family wants to believe this, but I certainly do.

Maybe she needs to get some counseling too, maybe the death of your friend has really traumatized her.

Just giving you some direction. I don't know her but it sure sounds like something deeper is going on.

{{{hugs}}} and prayers.
 
(((HUGS)))! I'm so sorry for you. Your daughter said some cruel things and there's no excuse for it. But I think I know what may have pushed her so far over the edge. Teens, especially girls, really thrive on drama. They are addicted to it. You said, rightfully, that she was just enjoying the drama of having two boys like her, and for a moment she had to see the truth of that. Having to face the fact that she was being shallow and silly must have been very humbling for someone who needs to ignore all that in order to enjoy all the drama. So, she had to show you that her feelings are REAL, that she isn't some silly, shallow drama queen, and thus she dragged you into her turbulent, emotional, drama-loving world, quite effectively. Also, mothers feel like a safe target for irrational anger, since children can always depend on their mothers to love them, no matter what.

At least, that's what I think it's like for her. It can be an awful, selfish life stage, and I hope she comes out of it quickly. Good luck. You don't deserve it. She doesn't really mean it.
 
Oh yeah. Been there done that. There comes a point in your daughter’s life that you will not like her, and it's ok to not like her. I have a drama queen daughter also. I literally would bang my head against the wall. You need to step back and just be a Mom and close yourself off emotionally from her until she matures. She will do anything to get at you and if she does then she wins. You need to tell her how her actions cause pain and the behavior is unacceptable, tell her you are disappointed in her (that always hit home with my daughter). Then limit your contact with her to just Mom duties for awhile.

I guarantee that in time she will become human again. My daughter is now in her 20's and is a great person. Just hang in there and try not to get pulled down in her quest for drama.

Couldn't have said it any better! Extremely excellent advice! And I agree...it will improve! (my kids are 21,20,19,18,16...last 3 are girls) I never would have believed 6 months ago that my 18 yo dd would have the relationship we do now. They DO grow up eventually, but oh, is it a painful process for all of us until they do!
(((hugs))) hang in there!!! and vent away to us!!!

Becky
 
Debbie

((((((((hugs)))))))) teenage daugther and Mom are sometimes the most difficult relationaships :confused:. My daughter is 13 and although I love her to death there are times I just want to strangle her and wonder what goes threw there minds!! At their age it is ALL about them and only them....stay firm and stick to your guns....I sure she did not mean it.... kids react first think later.

Therese
 
All of this because she didn't like something I said when she was asking ME for advice.

At first it made me very angry, but now I am very very sad and cannot stop crying about it. I lost my mother when I was 28 and wish every day of my life she was still living.

Debbie, . . I am soo sorry. I know that this must hurt like heck! Teens don't really want advice they want to hear what they want to hear, . . which is justification that what she really wants to do is right even though it is wrong. She is saying it all in anger and at least she apologized. I don't think as a teen you ever really realize the importance of a mother. They live in the now and act like they can walk on water AND they think they're friends are more important than family. Since you're divorced I'm not surprised she'd try to make you seem like the bad guy to her father. Hopefully he has enough sense to know that these are the emotional rantings of a teenager. I hate to say it is a phase but it is a phase. When she's older she'll understand, . . even more so when she has a family of her own. I know I was an evil monster teen when I was growing up and I apologize all the time to my parents and tell them I love them to make up for all the hurt I've caused them. Hang in there. She loves you. Trust me she loves you, . . .teens just have a really crapy way of showing it.
 
Don't be too mad, 17 is not any where near grown up. Really, its not. I was such a brat when I was a teen and I'm nothing like that (I hope) now. I think she just picked out the worst thing she could think of to say.
 
Debbie, I am so sorry you're having to go through this terrible thing. I'm sure you're daughter was just speaking out of anger and didn't really mean the things she said. She probably feels horrible about it but doesn't know how to make it right. I did and said horrible things to my parents when I was a teen. Things I am now ashamed of. I thank God everyday for the relationship I have with them now and that they didn't just write me off. Hang in there. Things will get better.:(
 
Debbie,
Hang in there! I promise things WILL get better! I have 2 grown daughters and my youngest one was also a huge Drama Queen and had lots of times like that! It is so very hurtful and difficult when you are going through it, but hang in there.

Things will improve. I felt prayer helped me immensely!!

Hugs, Linda
 

Our Newsletter

Get awesome content delivered straight to your inbox.

Top