Will I Allow Myself to be Thin?

JenniferAnn

Cathlete
I am so close to my goals. I've already reached my first goal which was to be the weight I was in my mid-20's. Now according to the weight charts I am no longer overweight but I'd still like to lose about 10 pounds. I'd like to get rid of the fat on my thighs. Plus I'm now a size 8 and I'd like to be a size 6. But it's like I'm working against that goal. I have only worked out once in the past four days. I've worked out at least 6 days a week for almost six months and now all of the sudden I can't bare to work out! What's wrong with me? I decided to CTX this week and got through Step & Intervals yesterday but couldn't do the chest work. I just stopped in the middle which is very unlike me. I didn't even work out today even though I'd planned to do Power Circuit. And I went to the store today and bought a cookie, a bag of peanut clusters and a little thing of Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream (Heath bar...yum!). I haven't eaten like this in 6 months. Why am I doing this to myself? It's like I won't allow myself to be thin.
 
JenniferAnn, are you readin my mind??
We are psychic twins!
:)
I was JUST THINKING THIS TODAY! I am sooo close to where I want to be, everything is toned (well, some things always need improvement, like thighs!) and people are actually NOTICING my weight change, and someone called me "tiny" which I enjoyed today, but I am a 7/8 as well and would like to stop at 5/6 size (as a gauge of weight, I dont' want to be too thin!) ..

Anyway, I feel you . (I think we are thinking in two different ways though.) I am more going in the direction that I think that I will not be able to stop at a certain point you know, b/c right now, I am really building steam up, and getting alot of endurance..

Ok, I will try a hokey-psychologist point of view ..maybe you are either:
1)subconsciously afraid to be at your goal b/c there will be nothing to work towards ( something I am afraid of, just an idea)
2)You are just hungry for yummy food! LOL
3)Sometimes I have an off week time to time. (like I think I did 4x a week a few weeks ago and I felt real lazy, b/c I usually do 5-6 days a week) Maybe you just needed a rest eh?

The chest work on Step and Intervals is hard though! What videos/activities did you do the day(s) before? Sometimes I do bad pairings of videos, and end up being very sore! (like doing Leaner Legs followed by Imax (with all the leaps and stuff!)
:) Jaime
 
If you have been working out full tilt for 6 months, maybe you just need a week off.

A suggestion - when you go to the store, make a list and stick to it. Give yourself permission to eat some junk food, but just do it one day and stop. Don't buy enough for leftovers because they call to you from the cupboard and freezer.

Just Do It! :)
 
JenniferAnn,

I am having the same problem myself. I have been working pretty much non-stop since June, lost a bunch of weight, but now that the time has changed, days are shorter (and colder), I have been having trouble keeping my motivation.

I am just finishing up an endurance rotation, but what I found helpful is that if I'm having a really hard time getting up the gumption to workout, I just take a few days off. Like another poster has in her signature line, "Fitness is a journey, not a destination." There will always be time to work out.

I think also, is my own sabotaging my efforts to stay fit. Every other time in my life I've lost weight, I've gained it all back, so I'm trying really hard to fight the "See, I knew I couldn't keep it off" monster. I have learned the hard way that me and weight loss just don't stay together, and I am terrified of gaining all the weight back.

This is another reason I'm really looking forward to the new tapes series. Something new to look at! If I have to go "over and over" that step one more time with one of my older tapes, as much as I like them, I think I'll scream! LOL!

Susan G.
 
I agree with Honeybunch. 6 months straight working out 6 days a week is a pretty heavy clip, especially when you're a Cathe-ite; you're probably due for a full week off or a light week with less intensity and fewer workouts. And, you could just be needing that fuel that health foods like Ben & Jerry's Heath Bar ice cream :) provide.

However, I also think you've raised an interesting broader topic for you, and others who have set weight and clothing-size goals and are doing it the correct way (well-rounded workout programs combined with sensible eating). As a person who used to be extremely unathletic, sedentary and uncoordinated AND who used to cart around a lot more storage fat and a lot less muscle and had a self-image centered strongly around my unattractiveness and "unphysicality", I'd like to suggest that it is often far more challenging to change one's negative perception of one's self even after building success. It may take a lot more time and consistent working out / eating sensibly for your psyche to catch up with your physique and physical capabilities, and in fact your previous self-image may always be connected at your heels to a small degree. However, with consistent sustained effort, that previous self-image can come to occupy a small part of our soul.

Will you "allow" yourself to be thin? I think so, especially if you continue among other things to participate here, where there is a great deal of encouragement, shared information and personal experiences, AND a decided lack of competitiveness in terms of Whose The Thinnest One Of All.

Keep on keepin' on, Jennifer Ann! And take a break and have a scoop of Ben & Jerry's on us!

Annette Q. Aquajock
 
Jennifer Ann, you raise a fascinating point, and so does Annette. I have been struggling all my life with giving myself Permission to Succeed, which is the name of a book by Noah St. John. This guy says some of us have "success anorexia". I'm not necessarily recommending the book, but it has some interesting concepts.

Some of us are so nice, that we are afraid that if we succeed we will upset someone or make them jealous, or that they won?t like us anymore. Each person may have their own reasons why they don't want to succeed at something.

For example, I've often been horrified at the thought of making more money than my boyfriends, father or brothers. Somewhere in my soul, I think I was afraid that I wouldn't be cared for anymore if I went past a certain salary level.

In addition to following the other responses you have received, it could be very interesting to think about the reasons you may have for not wanting to make it all the way to your goal! Food for thought without so many calories! :)

-Nancy
 
Nancy too raises a fascinating point, one that I have encountered many times since I've leaned out, "athleticized up", and overall let go of the Annette The Lifelong Scr*w-Up image:

There are many, many people out there who don't want you to succeed. And in the deadly cultural battle involving women's body sizes and shapes, there are many many people who truly do NOT want you to really be thin, AND COMFORTABLE WITH WHO YOU ARE. And a depressing percentage of these people are other women, including the women who are supposed to love you: your mother, sister(s), other female relatives and friends.

Beyond that, there are many people who are threatened when a person truly makes profound positive changes in her life, through her own efforts. My mother and sister, who relentlessly badgered me about my weight during my younger years (while not exactly being Twiggy themselves) have now turned the tables and are "concerned that I'm too thin" while they themselves are heavier and more sedentary than ever. Forgetting about the fact that a person's weight and body size is HER business and no one else's (sorry, all those moms out there).

In order to "allow" yourself to be thin, I think you have to put mufflers on to shield yourself from a lot of the failure-based female bonding dialog that goes on out there in the general population. And to shield yourself from a lot of boneheaded questions and comments from people in your world who don't get the reality of human physiology and fitness. That's a harsh comment but it's true.

La Rochefoucauld said it best on the nature of envy: It's not enough for me to succeed; my friend have to fail. Be prepared to have to combat that for the rest of your life.

But as a Cathe-ite, YOU CAN DO IT!

Annette Q. Aquajock
 
This is a good thread. I needed to read some of this, so thanks for posting Jennifer Ann. I went through the same thing a while back and decided that I just needed to take a break. I eased up with the eating and exercise. After having working hard on food and exercise related issues for a year now while consistently trying to increase my fitness levels, I figured I needed time out. I am slowly returning to healthy eating and my interest in fitness is returning. I also can't wait for the new series. So maybe you just need time out to relax like I did. Just ignore the 'sabotuer' in you which all of us have (its normal) and focus on how good the constructive side of you felt. I think part of the problem is when we try to be perfectionists - it kind of backfires. IMO there is absolutely nothing wrong with a bag of peanut clusters etc. occasionally. Sounds like you had a delicious moment and that's what life is all about (a bit like the pumpkin cheesecake moment that Cathe's gang had). Wishing you the best of luck in maintaining your healthy lifestyle.
 
Thanks everyone! I think I'm just going to do what I feel like doing this week. I'm going back to PS next week. It's been about 6 weeks since I did PS and I'm excited to get back to it. BTW, I'm already starting to get the "don't get too thin" line from other women...especially my mother. My mother also gave me a lecture about how no one she knows has ever kept off the weight they've lost. My mother is obese and pretty much resigned to her weight. It's so ridiculous because I got the lecture from my parents the last time I saw them (about a month ago) when I weighed about 7 pounds more than I did in my mid 20's. No one lectured me about how thin I was in my mid-20's. Plus I don't think a size 8 is too skinny. Especially given that I'm very short and small boned. I was a size 6 when I started college and my mother didn't lecture me about how I was too thin. Why all of the sudden do I deserve lectures about how I'm too thin (especially when I'm not as thin as I used to be)?

I really hear you guys about the fear of failure. I think most of us 'nice girls' aren't raised to be a success.

Thanks again and btw...the peanut clusters were yummy!
 
This whole discussion just underlines my opinion that people need to keep their comments about other people's weight to themselves.

I've always been thin and have suffered through just as much insulting critique as folks who are overweight. Three years ago, I became very ill and lost even more weight. I can't count the people who made inane comments about how "skinny" I was and how I needed to "just eat." This is devastating.

How can we know what private battles people are fighting? The old saw about "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" would make all of our lives a lot easier.

Angela
 
Nancy and Aquajock's posts here are fascinating and so illuminating for all of us, not just in the arena of fitness and healthy lifestyle accomplishments. The lesson of avoiding self-sabotage is truly key to future happines and self-actualization. Wow, if I didn't already study gender, psychological approaches to literature/culture, I'd have to swop to psychology....!

Thanks everyone for this most illuminating thread.

And Jennifer Ann:

you sound to me like a winner: look what you have achieved already! Don't beat up on yourself so much. You are not destined to be "anything", you can make your life and future what you want it to be. Take a week off, it'll make you even more hungry for the PS series again, hungry for the challenge of Cathe (the Intensity Series sirens can be heard in the background!!!). Negative thought sometimes invade us: realize though that they are temporary, just visitors for this week, not on permanent residence in your mind.

With all the support of the educated crowd, thay will not be allowed to take up residence!

Relax, watch a movie, have a cookie with your coffee, and throw yourself into a good sweat-inducing w/o when you want to! There's nothing like a good sweat to bust those negative vibes out of there (I did All Step followed immediately by Power Circuit yesterday for exactly this reason: man did I feel peaceful afterwards! So peaceful in fact that I took my kids for a moonlight walk through the neighbourhood, to complete my daughter's "what's in your local ecosystem?" homework assignment IN THE DARK!)

Clare
 
I never come to General Discussion and here I am today just because I don't feel like emptying the dishwasher. I REALLY needed this thread. I came so close this spring - was at my goal size and had 5 pounds to go to get to my goal weight.

What did I do? I deliberately started eating junk food - massive quantities of junk food and stopped working out regularly, started smoking again and gained back 10 lbs. I have no idea why I did it. I would sit there tossing back potato chip after potato chip telling myself to stop eating, stop binging - and I couldn't - or maybe I wouldn't.

It is now late fall and I am just starting to get back into the groove. I am working on the eating, just completed a 5 week S&H rotation and am going to do PS for the next few weeks.

I wonder the same thing - will I allow myself to be thin this time? Am I going to deliberately sabatage all of my efforts again? Will I be able to quit smoking for good this time? It is very frustrating to be aware of what you are doing and unable to summon the willpower to stop yourself.
 
This is a great thread, hope everybody reads it. I would love to see more regarding the psycology of exercise and physiology and how it relates to our self acceptance (don't know if I said that exactly right). Thanks for all your posts, great thought provokers.

Briee
 
Jennifer Ann,

Sounds like the reason you went for the ice cream, etc is because youre rewarding yourself for reaching your first goal. And that is how it's supposed to be! Whenever I reach "any " pittens of a goal I strive for, I always subconsiously reward myself because there is such a sense of relief and accomplishment. It doesnt sound like you are working AGAINST your goals, but rather WITH them. You definitely need to "reward" your mind (the body comes along with that unfortunately and bears the brunt of the calories) by indulging. And you wont be able to start working out 6 days a week again ( I always found that to be a bit much anyway) unless your mind is caught up with your physical body. So as Annette said, have another scoop on us, and when your brain is ready for Goal #2, it'll let you know!

P.S. Im the opposite of you............I am a size 4 and would love to be a size 6.............that should be just enough to get rid of these "chicken legs" of mine............so as Angela said, the Grass is always Greener elsewhere!

Keep up the good Work,
GN
 
[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Nov-21-02 AT 12:31PM (Est)[/font][p]Alright! Finally, a place to post my "This should be an Oprah show" experience.

I have been stuck at 140 for well over a year, now. Every time I get to 139 or so, I sabatoge myself with food and jump back up to 140-142. In the last couple of months, I've been doing well with eating and my exercise has always been good. Then, last month I walked by my mirror and I glanced at myself. I saw that I was getting thinner and 2 things happened just for an instant. I saw myself as the thin person I used to/want to be and I had a moment of FEAR! It came and went, but it was there and I thought, "WHAT THE HE!! WAS THAT??????"

I have really pondered this experience and I cannot come up with a reason for me to be afraid of reaching my goal. I can't deny tho, that it's there and surfaced for just a moment. I'm sure I'll split off into 15 personalities any day now. :p

And yes, I'm still 140lbs. :-(

Robin http://www.smilies-world.de/Smilies/Smilies_klein_1/flower.gif
 
When I was in college in the 70's I took a psych class called Motivation & Behavior. The main thrust of the class was about a group of individuals called "High need achievers" These people just never gave up and if they were slightly thwarted in their endeavor they would just try all the harder. The antithises was the "high fear of failure" people. These people would not try because they might fail and to fail was worse than to not try.

Now at the end of this course, the book & instructor admitted that all of these studies and traits related ONLY TO MEN because the study group was composed of men. A new theory was emerging at the time and it was about women and it was being called the "high fear of success" group. These were women who would appear to be high need achievers until they nearly reached their goal and then they would thwart their own efforts and never 'make it'

I would love to know if any more studies were done with women as subjects and if any defining traits emerged. I would also love to know if there is a difference in the different age groups of women when it comes to high fear of success. Truly things are better now for females then they were in the past, maybe this improvement has/will help women to shake this type of behavior....

The point of this long epistle is that I do believe that many people are "high fear of success" people (especially women) and sabotage their own efforts, for whatever reason.

-joy
 
RE: The fascinating discussion continues . . .

This thread continues to interest me, and given that everyone is entitled to my opinion :) , I thought I'd kick in a couple more cents (if not sense) . . .

I been thin and I been fat, and I do acknowledge thin is better, for me at least. It is a constant paradox I struggle with, both as an instructor and as a friend, to constantly advocate paying attention to health and performance improvements as the main benefits of exercise and sensible eating habits, while at the same time absolutely cherishing inside the fact that I'm lean and have been so for almost a decade. Thus I'm sure whatever I have to say on the subject must be taken in that context; "foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of tiny minds," and all that.

As a former yo-yo in the body size struggle from early teens on, I remember all too well when the pounds/inches started to creep back on, after a short term shrinkage or weight loss. That happened over and over again, because I wasn't doing anything right - was bingeing and purging, was going on whacked-out diet programs, wasn't doing anything effective physically, and in all candor in my 20's was drinking a ton. I could never ever trust those miniscule temporary losses, although they made my heart soar when they happened, because I always had the fear that this was only temporary, and usually that was correct.

Now, as a consistent exerciser and somewhat healthier eater (not to mention a teetotaller!) it's taken almost a decade to really trust what I have now; my own internal fear of fat gain and fitness loss took a long, long time to ebb. And it's an ongoing challenge to maintain the motivation to stay consistent with my workout program, especially on those days when I'm not instructing. I must admit, that fear hasn't gone away, and I do use it to keep me honest when all of my goodie-two-shoes motivators fail me. A slightly tight skirt is all I need.

I think the "fear of success" in the lean-bod game comes in part from having experienced an anguishing weight gain in earlier times, and self-sabotage is a way of protecting ourselves from the sting of "failure" in spite of our best efforts. I'm sure for many of us, me included, previous best efforts were from diet scams and exercise frauds that were doomed to failure. I also think most women, in America at least and quite probably increasingly all over the globe, are simply emotionally overinvested in the goal of being thin (that in itself being a relative, abstract term) and overinvestment can lead to paranoia and fear no matter what one's condition truly is. Me included. Even though I've learned that being thin is not the cure for all of life's problems, it still is of first importance to me. Maybe I've just learned how to lay down with the lion without being destroyed, rather than destroy the lion itself.

Just some thoughts. I hope this discussion continues. I find people's insights here very compelling.

annette q. aquajock
 
RE: My thoughts exactly!?!

I ask myself this question almost every day: Why do I sabotage my own quest for fitness? I've worked out 6 days a week since discovering Cathe in Jan. of this year. I workout hard, focused, and with discipline. But my eating is horrendous. I seriously ate candy corn for lunch 4 days last week. I am serious. Then I feel guilty and still manage to somehow consume a regular meal. It is just terrible. It's like I'm bulimic without the purging component. I don't know why. One would think that if I worked out as hard as I do, I'd eat clean so that I could fuel my workouts appropriately and give off the appearance of being fit. But no, I look chubby and not too healthy. It is bringing me down.
 
RE:I feel the Same Jillybean !

I have been good with my exercise, but my eating is downhill. i am trying to stick my cleaner lower fat eating, but I am so darned hungry all the time. I agree with everything you have said.

Anna :)
 

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