Oh c'mon, somebody's GOTTA mention Tiger!

My husband is a very avid golfer and he said, Jack Nicklaus will finally be seen as the greatest golfer of all time instead of Tiger.

To him it is a big deal. He always kept saying that Tiger is too good to be true and there is going to be a chink in his armor eventually.

I don't like the way the media is saying "romantic liaisons with 10 women." It sounds like sexual addiction, pure and simple and Tiger is going to need help.

I think it is also a sense of power being able to bed these women and show his confidants he has a woman in every city. In order to become an outstanding athlete, one is usually told from an early age how wonderful they are. Their egos are stoked continually and yes, they are given everything they want or need (Tiger's father started this at the age of 2).

What Tiger wants as an adult he gets, probably a form of power and conquest. No love, no attraction involved at all.
 
Anyone see the breaking news on Tiger? He's turning into the new Brittney!
It's like a train wreck, I don't want to look, but I can't stop myself.
 
hiitdogs said:
That being said, if anyone does not want to buy products he endorses because he is a philander, I think it is their choice to do so. But I also think that - unless criminal conduct is involved - the personal life should be off-limits. No one out in America's work force is getting fired because of cheating on their spouse and I don't think it should be any different for politicians, sports greats and the likes. It has nothing to do with their sports or job performance. After all they weren't hired to endorse perfect family life but they got the job because of sports or job performance.
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I do agree that he shouldn't lose his endorsements because he cheated. I understand why Kobe Bryant initially lost his...because there was the rape allegation. I also understand why Michael Vick lost his endorsements. In fact, I think part of Michael Vick's punishment should have been to endorse animal shelters and animal foods FOR FREE! He also should have been sentenced to work at animal shelters...but I digress. Back on point, what Tiger did isn't "wrong" in a strictly criminal sense. Did he break a "contract"? Yes, he violated the "contract" of marriage. However, so do MANY other people and, as Carola said, they don't lose their jobs.

Carrie
 
Tiger's "job" is play & win golf tournaments. Should he be barred from competing based on what he did? Of course not!

However, endorsements are not just based on his playing ability. They are based on his overall character. (Otherwise, I'd hate to think of the potential endorsement candidates from knife & gun manufacturers....:rolleyes:)

As I posted earlier, consumers pay for his endorsement salary when they products w/ his name on them. Companies DO look at the overall player package when selecting athletes for their products, not just their stats. Tiger was considered squeaky clean, above reproach, not controversial in the least.

Obviously, cheating on a spouse is sadly common among celebrities and everyday people. Let's be clear though, Tiger engaged in MULTIPLE affairs & one nighters for YEARS. That's not a one-time transgression, that's a pattern of behavior.

Furthermore, Tiger's comments the day after the crash, where he joked to friends that he'd have to buy Elin a "Kobe Special" speaks volumes about how he views his actions. :mad: He thought he'd just need to buy her a big enough ring and she'd shut up, put up and put out.

IMO, he deserves the public flogging and she deserves mega-millions for the health risks & embarassment he's put her (and their children) thru. I hope she takes his money and dumps his sorry a$$.
 
hiitdogs said:
Let's not take things out of proportion. It's not that he has displayed criminal behavior. He has cheated on his wife. In a society with a divorce rate of 50 % and people cheating on their spouses left and right I find the outrage hypocritical. No company will lay off their employee because (s)he cheated on his/her spouse (nor should they), nor should they. It is a private matter and has nothing to do with job performance IMO.

I think cheating on your spouse is a personal shortcoming and even though I buy Nike and other stuff (I don't even know what he endorses) I don't think it is my business what is going on between him and his wife. Whereas I don't condone cheating and I think it is dishonest it doesn't necessarily make a serial philanderer a bad person otherwise. That being said, people do make mistakes and it is up to him and his wife to see if they can work things out. In the interest of the children I wish people would stay out of this.


That being said, I never buy stuff because some sports great or celebrity endorses it.

My kids don't drink Powerade nor Gatorade, they drink water, tea and fresh apple juice with water after sports. :p;) I don't think they even know who Tiger Woods is.
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I agree with Carola. I think that we tend to be really.... intentionally ignorant (?) ... of the fact that cheating in the celebrity/political/wealthy world is not only occurring, but totally normal and rampant. I'd be hard pressed to believe there are any "good ones" out there that have remained faithful. The egos and constant opportunities these people have won't allow it. And I'm sure we'd be shocked to find out how many people we know personally that are not only cheaters, but serial cheaters. I've been friends with them, worked with them, and, unfortunately, dated them. And you'd be amazed at the conversations you overhear at coffee shops if you hang out for awhile :)

I'm no longer even the tiniest bit surprised to hear of stuff like this. Every time I do, the only thing I think is, how on earth do the other ones manage to NOT get caught?? Oh, and totally not condoning cheating at all here. It's just a sad fact of life for many.

Of course there are more important things to talk about, but, you know....
 
jonahnah said:
As I posted earlier, consumers pay for his endorsement salary when they products w/ his name on them. Companies DO look at the overall player package when selecting athletes for their products, not just their stats. Tiger was considered squeaky clean, above reproach, not controversial in the least.
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I am not sure that I agree with the statement that consumers pay for his endorsement salary. Consumers have a choice, they don't need to buy the stuff that he endorses. And there are plenty of people like me who don't get swayed by a product because a celebrity endorses it.

I hate to bust the bubble but companies don't chose their celebrities for endorsement for their squeaky clean image but rather for how much money they think the particular celebrity can make them. In all honesty companies don't care if the guy is a axe-murdering pedophile as long as they make money. There have been numerous reports that his sponsors and everyone on the golf circus knew what was going on.

That being said, he appears to have been squeaky clean for so long. With all the reports about his drinking and taking prescription meds, maybe he is going through a belated puberty and rebel phase. Who knows.

I don't mind his public humiliation at all, my concern is more about his wife and kids. I don't think there is much more humiliating than to find out that your spouse is cheating.
For the record, I do think cheating is breaking a contract but that was a contract with his wife, not his sponsors.
 
Little Lady said:
So you think that Tiger would have been endorsed if this had all happened first. Kobe Bryant?
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He did! Apparantly this has been going on for years and his sponsors were well aware of it. I am not saying this is right or moral! I just think we need to stop the hypocrisy. Companies don't make endorsement deals because of anyone's morals, they make endorsement deals because of money. As long as it is all kept hush-hush, they couldn't care less.
 
Who's to say his wife didn't already know? She wouldn't be the first woman to turn a blind eye for the bucks and glam. Maybe she's just ticked now that it's become a media circus. And who's to say she isn't doing the same?

The media can spin as many stories as it wants but the reality is that we don't know him, her, the tootsies, or anyone else involved and therefore cannot claim that it was this or that or the other. My opinion: Let private matters go back to being private.
 
Here’s my take. Tiger screwed up! Uh, yeah, in many ways! :D Just like anybody else’s life, whether public or private, we will never, EVER, know exactly what has happened and to be honest, I don’t care. We all have our own type of “transgressions” to stand up to and hopefully overcome. Some are more hurtful or harming than others. I believe we all can get on a path of honor IF we so choose and one has to work very hard and diligently at it. Only the person who has committed such deviations or other indiscretions knows if he/she truly wants to understand how they got to where they are and if they want to leave that type of behavior behind and grow personally and spiritually from that point on. In Tiger’s case, one “transgression” would have been bad enough but to commit that time after time over years while being married and creating a family, displays a serious need for a personality dissection and an understanding of how to overcome the need for those actions. We can all say what “we” would do if we were in the wife’s shoes but just like no one can ever be in “our” shoes and know all that is going on in our own personal situations, only she will know what is the direction she needs to take in time. As far as endorsements go, I wouldn’t stop buying products that he has up to now endorsed because of this but if other companies started signing him with all that’s going on (which no sane company would) or re-newed his contract at this point, then I might think twice about it. Down the road, that’s a different story. As with everything, this will blow over in time and he may redeem himself. It certainly has happened to many public figures over the years. I’ve learned to not put myself in other people’s shoes. You absolutely can not do it so I’ve stopped. I’m not going to speculate all the “maybe’s” and “what if’s” or “perhaps” because it will not get anyone of us anywhere and again, we will never know the true reality of anyone else’s situation. I can only hope for the best for the family and that in time, they can recover.

Bam
 
Just read the thread topic, not going to read responses, but I laughed out loud!!! You're right!!! With everything else that comes up on OD...it took this long to bring up Tiger!!! hahahahahahaha! Thanks for laugh! I really needed it today! :)
 
hiitdogs said:
He did! Apparantly this has been going on for years and his sponsors were well aware of it. I am not saying this is right or moral! I just think we need to stop the hypocrisy. Companies don't make endorsement deals because of anyone's morals, they make endorsement deals because of money. As long as it is all kept hush-hush, they couldn't care less.
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I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head with that one, Carola. As long as the general public doesn't know, the companies think it is ok. It is only when the public start clamouring for the celebrity to be dropped does it happen (usually).

Carrie
 
Tiger is not the only one at fault here. Doesn't anybody blame the girls he slept with? He didn't cheat on his wife alone. I think these women don't have any ethics - a high profile athlete - they all know he has a wife - I mean, come on!! If he came up to me in a bar - I'd say -"Aren't you married?"

Women intentionally hurt other women - there will always be some bimbo throwing themselves at powerful, rich men who they know have wives. I know there are instances where men don't disclose their status - but in this case I think it was very clear. Why can't women just say no - why can't they stay away from other women's husbands? Don't get it.

I'm not saying he's some saint - hardly - but if every woman said no - he couldn't cheat. I can dream can't I?
 
hiitdogs said:
I rather talk about the health care bill than Tiger Wood's affairs.

I am kind of surprised about his "transgressions" but I think it's no one else's business than his and his wife. I feel really bad for his wife though, it's bad enough that your husband is a philandering jerk but to have this dragged through not only the tabloids but also other media must be pretty tough.

And now people are all over her that she is only after the money because the prenup gets modified and she get $ 5 Mio right away. I say good for her, I would get the last penny out of that son of a gun. Aside from the fact that $ 5 Mio is only chump change for him.
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I couldn't agree more! Who cares about this another rich man screwing around on his wife.
 
Is Tiger still one of the greatest golfers in the world? Yes. Is he one of the greatest golfers of all time? Yes. Aside from that I don't know Tiger Woods personally, I don't idolize Tiger Woods and I teach my children not to make celebrities their idols, sometimes they listen and sometimes they don't. People are imperfect and we all fail. I'm not saying that he was right in what he was doing and I cannot imagine his wife's pain. On the other hand most women have an idea when their husband is cheating and men couldn't cheat if there wasn't always a woman ready to cheat with them. Once again, I don't condone his behavior, wrong is wrong. I also don't presume to know what was going on with their marriage, marriage is difficult enough for just regular people. Other than a temporary distraction from real life, whatever Tiger does or does not do, will not put food on my table or keep a roof over my head. As a matter of fact if his wife does leave him, she will be in a very cushy position. The children unfortunately are lost in the middle of all this. I wish the media could stay out of people's lives just a little bit. We as a public seem to love to watch people fall, not just Tiger but many people.
 
Little Lady said:
He knows that he's more than just a good golfer to people, he knows that he is a role model.
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No. He is an entertainer.
Role models are parents, grandparents, teachers.
My moral compass came from my loving parents and their teachings.
 
fit44 said:
No. He is an entertainer.
Role models are parents, grandparents, teachers.
My moral compass came from my loving parents and their teachings.
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I couldnt agree more!!!

I guess my view is that it is not his fault that other people decide to make him a role model, he didn't ask to be a role model. I think as a society we have a tendancy to put celebrities on a pedestal and if they don't live up to our expectations they are kicked of that pedestal and all of a sudden everything about this person is bad. But we also forget that they are human and make mistakes, just like the rest of us.

His behavior makes me shudder and even though he appears to had some serious lapses in judgement I hope for him that he will learn from his mistakes and become a better person for it.
 
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