My eating observation
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pink_fortitude
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RE: MISSY - tried to send you an e-mail
Lorrie, try [email protected] I have no idea, because I have tried everything to fix the settings here, but my email never works on this site. I don't get itx(
Debra, I am with you. I just think that anything out of the "norm" is considered weird to "normal" people, so if you do something that is different obviously you are asking for everyone's opinions and judgement. Of course.
If you do something different or make a conscience decision it must be because you want people to make you feel insecure. Obviously.
Kathryn, thank you so much for the suggestions and links! You have been MOST helpful. Carolyn, this is a fairly new lifestyle for you, too, is it not? Does your DH feel the same way you do? If not, how do you guys decide where to eat when you go out?
I also want to apologize if I have made any insensitive comments concerning Thanksgiving or any other time. I didn't get it until now how hard it is when you see something that you know is wrong, especially about animal treatment, and others are indifferent to it or just don't get it. I lived in ignorant bliss and just didn't get it until last week. Sorry
Missy
Lorrie, try [email protected] I have no idea, because I have tried everything to fix the settings here, but my email never works on this site. I don't get itx(
Debra, I am with you. I just think that anything out of the "norm" is considered weird to "normal" people, so if you do something that is different obviously you are asking for everyone's opinions and judgement. Of course.
If you do something different or make a conscience decision it must be because you want people to make you feel insecure. Obviously.Kathryn, thank you so much for the suggestions and links! You have been MOST helpful.
Carolyn, this is a fairly new lifestyle for you, too, is it not? Does your DH feel the same way you do? If not, how do you guys decide where to eat when you go out? I also want to apologize if I have made any insensitive comments concerning Thanksgiving or any other time. I didn't get it until now how hard it is when you see something that you know is wrong, especially about animal treatment, and others are indifferent to it or just don't get it. I lived in ignorant bliss and just didn't get it until last week. Sorry
Missy
L Sass
Cathlete
RE: MISSY - tried to send you an e-mail
No luck Missy. Here's my reply to your inquiry.
Hi Missy. I am married and have 3 small kids, ages 7, 4 and 2. I am very lucky though because even though my DH is a meat eater - and always has been - he has no problem with my obsessions about reading and learning nutrition and exercise. (He even did the David Kirsch Ultimate Body Plan with me even though he's not overweight.) But yes, I do prepare two different meals every night - though I don't mind doing that at all. Really of my kids - since they're young enough they'll eat almost anything. My 7 year old did notice my difference and asked what I was doing. I told her "mommy is trying to not eat things that are from animals" and it's almost like a game now for her to think about the source of my foods. I don't want to force anything on anybody, but I hope if I'm an example they may follow suit. In fact, my DH the other day opted to put soy milk on his steel cut oats instead of cow's milk.
One thing I found helpful is knowledge. For example last week we were talking about the steroids and additives and preservatives in foods - esp animal based foods. You know the info in the thread about govt. standards allowing puss in cow's milk? (Makes me cringe) He said, and I think acurately so, you never hear that anyone has died from too much puss in his milk. But in terms of the steroids, etc, DH asked if I don't think they add those things to plant based food. My response was yes, but it's different on 2 counts. First you can wash a lot of that stuff off of your produce but you can't wash the steroids out of your meat. And secondly the plant based food and produce moves through your body much more quickly, carrying the bad stuff with it toward elimination. The meat and animal stuff takes much longer to go through digestion, allowing more of a chance for your body to absorb the bad stuff. Little bits and pieces like that help - but as I said my husband is very open minded. The 2 meals can be a hassle but I just look at is as a chance to educate my kids - and others - along the way.
My trainer is coming on Wednesday and I've asked to see what she eats in a week. Since I've really just started this I need to see what the pros do. I'm so glad you know what I mean about that feeling of "lightness" - isn't it cool? But I think it's something you can't really tell or describe - people just have to experience it. Good luck - and is it ok if I pop some questions back at you for moral support?
Lorrie
No luck Missy. Here's my reply to your inquiry.
Hi Missy. I am married and have 3 small kids, ages 7, 4 and 2. I am very lucky though because even though my DH is a meat eater - and always has been - he has no problem with my obsessions about reading and learning nutrition and exercise. (He even did the David Kirsch Ultimate Body Plan with me even though he's not overweight.) But yes, I do prepare two different meals every night - though I don't mind doing that at all. Really of my kids - since they're young enough they'll eat almost anything. My 7 year old did notice my difference and asked what I was doing. I told her "mommy is trying to not eat things that are from animals" and it's almost like a game now for her to think about the source of my foods. I don't want to force anything on anybody, but I hope if I'm an example they may follow suit. In fact, my DH the other day opted to put soy milk on his steel cut oats instead of cow's milk.
One thing I found helpful is knowledge. For example last week we were talking about the steroids and additives and preservatives in foods - esp animal based foods. You know the info in the thread about govt. standards allowing puss in cow's milk? (Makes me cringe) He said, and I think acurately so, you never hear that anyone has died from too much puss in his milk. But in terms of the steroids, etc, DH asked if I don't think they add those things to plant based food. My response was yes, but it's different on 2 counts. First you can wash a lot of that stuff off of your produce but you can't wash the steroids out of your meat. And secondly the plant based food and produce moves through your body much more quickly, carrying the bad stuff with it toward elimination. The meat and animal stuff takes much longer to go through digestion, allowing more of a chance for your body to absorb the bad stuff. Little bits and pieces like that help - but as I said my husband is very open minded. The 2 meals can be a hassle but I just look at is as a chance to educate my kids - and others - along the way.
My trainer is coming on Wednesday and I've asked to see what she eats in a week. Since I've really just started this I need to see what the pros do. I'm so glad you know what I mean about that feeling of "lightness" - isn't it cool? But I think it's something you can't really tell or describe - people just have to experience it. Good luck - and is it ok if I pop some questions back at you for moral support?
Lorrie
pink_fortitude
Banned
RE: MISSY - tried to send you an e-mail
I'm so glad you know what I
>mean about that feeling of "lightness" - isn't it cool? But I
>think it's something you can't really tell or describe -
>people just have to experience it.
You should have seen DH's face when I tried to explain it to him - he was so confused and lost! Your DH sounds a lot like mine, too. He wouldn't even touch steel cut oats a month ago, and now he asks me if I am going to make them for breakfast almost everyday. He puts up with a lot of my reading and internet research too, and while he doesn't always, usually I should say, care about it one iota or hop on board he always supports me. He doesn't like when I tell some things, though, like the puss. He was totally grossed out at first, then he got a glass of milk and told me he couldn't taste any puss. I asked if he knew what puss tasted like. Oh, and my kids are 8, 6, and 20 months, so pretty similar situations.
Good luck - and is it ok
>if I pop some questions back at you for moral support?
LOL! I was thinking of asking YOU the same thing! Of course it is! try this address [email protected] and see if it works real quick, will you?
Is your trainer a certified or registered nutritionist and she is a certified or degreed trainer? She is what I want to become - a trainer and nutritionist all in one. I love everything about health, everything, and whenever I learn or hear something new I disect it like crazy!
Missy
I'm so glad you know what I
>mean about that feeling of "lightness" - isn't it cool? But I
>think it's something you can't really tell or describe -
>people just have to experience it.
You should have seen DH's face when I tried to explain it to him - he was so confused and lost! Your DH sounds a lot like mine, too. He wouldn't even touch steel cut oats a month ago, and now he asks me if I am going to make them for breakfast almost everyday. He puts up with a lot of my reading and internet research too, and while he doesn't always, usually I should say, care about it one iota or hop on board he always supports me. He doesn't like when I tell some things, though, like the puss. He was totally grossed out at first, then he got a glass of milk and told me he couldn't taste any puss. I asked if he knew what puss tasted like.
Oh, and my kids are 8, 6, and 20 months, so pretty similar situations.Good luck - and is it ok
>if I pop some questions back at you for moral support?
LOL! I was thinking of asking YOU the same thing! Of course it is!
try this address [email protected] and see if it works real quick, will you? Is your trainer a certified or registered nutritionist and she is a certified or degreed trainer? She is what I want to become - a trainer and nutritionist all in one. I love everything about health, everything, and whenever I learn or hear something new I disect it like crazy!
Missy
kathryn
Cathlete
RE: MISSY - tried to send you an e-mail
But in terms of the steroids, etc, DH asked if I
>don't think they add those things to plant based food. My
>response was yes, but it's different on 2 counts. First you
>can wash a lot of that stuff off of your produce but you can't
>wash the steroids out of your meat. And secondly the plant
>based food and produce moves through your body much more
>quickly, carrying the bad stuff with it toward elimination.
>
Also, whatever "bad" stuff is added to plants (sprayed on) is CONCENTRATED in animal flesh because animals that humans eat...eat plants! So by eating animal flesh, you are eating many more times of the substances than you would eat if you ate the plants directly (and plants have antioxidants in that can help counteract some of the bad effects, while animal products don't).
But in terms of the steroids, etc, DH asked if I
>don't think they add those things to plant based food. My
>response was yes, but it's different on 2 counts. First you
>can wash a lot of that stuff off of your produce but you can't
>wash the steroids out of your meat. And secondly the plant
>based food and produce moves through your body much more
>quickly, carrying the bad stuff with it toward elimination.
>
Also, whatever "bad" stuff is added to plants (sprayed on) is CONCENTRATED in animal flesh because animals that humans eat...eat plants! So by eating animal flesh, you are eating many more times of the substances than you would eat if you ate the plants directly (and plants have antioxidants in that can help counteract some of the bad effects, while animal products don't).
RE: MISSY - tried to send you an e-mail
Hey Missy,
Yes, my DH and I are both vegan and have been for about 18 months or so. It wasn't too difficult for us because we were both vegetarians first(me for 13 years and him for 3). It's funny because people really think(especially his family), that I forced veganism on him. It really couldn't be farther from the truth. He's one of those "unless you prove it to me in controlled testing, I'm not going to believe it" guys, so he did a lot of research and soul searching before he took the leap. He did tell me that one comment I made had a profound effect on his outlook. I told him that once you really, REALLY know something, you can never go back to not knowing. Once he really knew how animals were treated to provide a "service" for humans, he could never reconcile eating them or using animal products again. We both get a lot of flack for our choices but no one ever said that making the right decisions would be easy.
I was reading your post about becomming a RD and a Personal Trainer. It's funny because that's also what my goal is. I've been a personal trainer for a little while now, and because I believe what you eat impacts your health so much, it makes sense to do both. Do you have a plan about where you would like to go to school? I've been thinking about it much too long and really need to get my butt in gear!
Carolyn
Hey Missy,
Yes, my DH and I are both vegan and have been for about 18 months or so. It wasn't too difficult for us because we were both vegetarians first(me for 13 years and him for 3). It's funny because people really think(especially his family), that I forced veganism on him. It really couldn't be farther from the truth. He's one of those "unless you prove it to me in controlled testing, I'm not going to believe it" guys, so he did a lot of research and soul searching before he took the leap. He did tell me that one comment I made had a profound effect on his outlook. I told him that once you really, REALLY know something, you can never go back to not knowing. Once he really knew how animals were treated to provide a "service" for humans, he could never reconcile eating them or using animal products again. We both get a lot of flack for our choices but no one ever said that making the right decisions would be easy.
I was reading your post about becomming a RD and a Personal Trainer. It's funny because that's also what my goal is. I've been a personal trainer for a little while now, and because I believe what you eat impacts your health so much, it makes sense to do both. Do you have a plan about where you would like to go to school? I've been thinking about it much too long and really need to get my butt in gear!
Carolyn
Mckmain
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RE: MISSY - tried to send you an e-mail
roxy28...I emailed you the recipe.
Kathryn...thank you for your thoughts on how to treat non-vegans. I know my being sarcastic isn't the answer but it can just get so irritating sometimes. I know mostly it is their lack of knowledge about veganism. I will check out those sites you mentioned.
Carolyn...I have also been doing this way of eating about 18 months. But I went "cold turkey"...or yes "cold tofu" like Kathyrn said in a previous post!
My DH was in total agreement to going Vegan. He has though ended up trying animal protein a few times and I always get to hear how bad he feels after...duh! He is trying very hard and we went out to dinner last night and he only ate the tofu dishes and not any animal protein. What is interesting is my family and some friends temp him and they think I'll get mad if he eats animal protein. I won't plain and simple. He is the one that suffers.
I really am learning alot from this thread. Thanks Lorrie for starting it, and also sharing that email......Carole
roxy28...I emailed you the recipe.
Kathryn...thank you for your thoughts on how to treat non-vegans. I know my being sarcastic isn't the answer but it can just get so irritating sometimes. I know mostly it is their lack of knowledge about veganism. I will check out those sites you mentioned.
Carolyn...I have also been doing this way of eating about 18 months. But I went "cold turkey"...or yes "cold tofu" like Kathyrn said in a previous post!
My DH was in total agreement to going Vegan. He has though ended up trying animal protein a few times and I always get to hear how bad he feels after...duh! He is trying very hard and we went out to dinner last night and he only ate the tofu dishes and not any animal protein. What is interesting is my family and some friends temp him and they think I'll get mad if he eats animal protein. I won't plain and simple. He is the one that suffers.
I really am learning alot from this thread. Thanks Lorrie for starting it, and also sharing that email...
...CaroleNiki Morabito
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Hi Lorrie,
This is your dietitian and trainer...French Meadows is at... guess where??? The Mustard Seed!
Are you surprised? Behind produce by the pita bread!
Niki
This is your dietitian and trainer...French Meadows is at... guess where??? The Mustard Seed!
Are you surprised? Behind produce by the pita bread!
Niki
Niki Morabito
New Member
Your dietitian is correct...the high protein diet would only be a problem if you had a genetic predisposition to renal function problems, or a un-detected renal disorder.
How would you know for sure about either of these? When they are detected it is usually too late to reverse the damage...the kidney is very non-resiliant.
Safer than sorry! A balanced diet will always win in my book!
Niki
How would you know for sure about either of these? When they are detected it is usually too late to reverse the damage...the kidney is very non-resiliant.
Safer than sorry! A balanced diet will always win in my book!
Niki
Mckmain
Cathlete
>Your dietitian is correct...the high protein diet would only
>be a problem if you had a genetic predisposition to renal
>function problems, or a un-detected renal disorder.
>How would you know for sure about either of these? When they
>are detected it is usually too late to reverse the
>damage...the kidney is very non-resiliant.
>Safer than sorry! A balanced diet will always win in my book!
>Niki
Hi Niki...Lorrie has said so many great things about you. I agree completely with your post...and its nice to see you post here......Carole
>be a problem if you had a genetic predisposition to renal
>function problems, or a un-detected renal disorder.
>How would you know for sure about either of these? When they
>are detected it is usually too late to reverse the
>damage...the kidney is very non-resiliant.
>Safer than sorry! A balanced diet will always win in my book!
>Niki
Hi Niki...Lorrie has said so many great things about you. I agree completely with your post...and its nice to see you post here...
...CaroleNiki Morabito
New Member
RE: MISSY - tried to send you an e-mail
Hi everyone,
I am Lorrie's registered dietitian and Clinical Exercise Specialist. I have a Masters degree in Nutrition with a minor in exercise phys., and am a certified Clinical Exercise Specialist (I am a personal trainer who has further certification working with specialty populations such as orthopedic issues, HTN, DM, CVD, etc.).
I see that I was supposed to tell Lorrie what I eat this week and I got so slammed with work that I did not write it down, so I promise Lorrie!!! I will do it with a complete nutritional breakdown included. (I own an outpatient nutrition and fitness clinic that is exploding in from of my eyes, and has multiplied into 4 locations VERY quickly!)
May I suggest Suzanne Havala, MS, RD, as a reading choice for anyone interested in a vegan lifestyle? She has published many books and they are very down to earth and practical.
Great thread Lorrie!
Hi everyone,
I am Lorrie's registered dietitian and Clinical Exercise Specialist. I have a Masters degree in Nutrition with a minor in exercise phys., and am a certified Clinical Exercise Specialist (I am a personal trainer who has further certification working with specialty populations such as orthopedic issues, HTN, DM, CVD, etc.).
I see that I was supposed to tell Lorrie what I eat this week and I got so slammed with work that I did not write it down, so I promise Lorrie!!! I will do it with a complete nutritional breakdown included. (I own an outpatient nutrition and fitness clinic that is exploding in from of my eyes, and has multiplied into 4 locations VERY quickly!)
May I suggest Suzanne Havala, MS, RD, as a reading choice for anyone interested in a vegan lifestyle? She has published many books and they are very down to earth and practical.
Great thread Lorrie!
kathryn
Cathlete
Hi, Niki! Welcome to the forum. Always glad to see another vegan here!
>Your dietitian is correct...the high protein diet would only
>be a problem if you had a genetic predisposition to renal
>function problems, or a un-detected renal disorder.
I'd have to say that a high ANIMAL protein diet carries other risks besides kidney problems, partly because of the sulphur-containing amino acids that are more prevalent in animal protein. My dad was once told by his doctor to eat more protein (for some reason I forget), and promptly got gout! Then later died of colon cancer
(which has been shown is some studies to have a high correlation with animal product consumption).
Also, a high protein diet in general is more acid-producing than a moderate protein diet, and quite a few naturopaths and "holistic" doctors see a correlation between an acidic state of the body and many diseases. In fact, some go so far as to say that an alkaline state of the body can prevent cancers.
>Your dietitian is correct...the high protein diet would only
>be a problem if you had a genetic predisposition to renal
>function problems, or a un-detected renal disorder.
I'd have to say that a high ANIMAL protein diet carries other risks besides kidney problems, partly because of the sulphur-containing amino acids that are more prevalent in animal protein. My dad was once told by his doctor to eat more protein (for some reason I forget), and promptly got gout! Then later died of colon cancer
(which has been shown is some studies to have a high correlation with animal product consumption).
Also, a high protein diet in general is more acid-producing than a moderate protein diet, and quite a few naturopaths and "holistic" doctors see a correlation between an acidic state of the body and many diseases. In fact, some go so far as to say that an alkaline state of the body can prevent cancers.
Wow, after reading this thread I am really feeling as if I want to try the vegetarian/vegan thing. I'm tired all the time and have a number of stomach problems, maybe this would help. What scares me about it is 1) I have the idea that it's expensive to eat this way, the spelt breads at my health food store are like $4.00 a loaf! and 2) I don't want to burden anyone else with my food choices. I don't mean DH, but my extended family. We do alot of family dinners and I don't want anyone to feel as if I am complicating things, you know? Do you guys think it is best to go cold turkey, or ease into it?
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kathryn
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Hey, Sparrow!
1) I have the idea that it's
>expensive to eat this way, the spelt breads at my health food
>store are like $4.00 a loaf!
It's possible to spend a lot, but in general, a vegan eating organic foods spends about as much as a non vegan (even less, depending on how much you cook from scratch: lentils from scratch are much cheaper than canned, for example). "health food store' foods can be pricey, but regular fruits, vegetables, beans, etc. aren't, so it balances out. (though I wouldn't mind spending more on food than on medications!).
2) I don't want to burden
>anyone else with my food choices. I don't mean DH, but my
>extended family. We do alot of family dinners and I don't
>want anyone to feel as if I am complicating things, you know?
Some people make two meals in that situation. Though I wouldn't think of it as a burden to feed someone healthfully, I know what you mean about them thinking you are imposing your will on them. For family dinners, where someone else is cooking, tell them AHEAD OF TIME what you eat, and either offer to bring a dish of your own to share, or suggest some things that you know they prepare that you'd eat. Or, you could eat ahead of time, and just see the get-together as a time to spend with family and eat lightly of what is available ("Vegan Freak" gives suggestions for these situations).
>Do you guys think it is best to go cold turkey, or ease into
>it?
I think it varies. I went cold turkey (tofu!) from omnivore to vegetarian, and more gradually (fluctuting) to vegan. SOmetimes doing things "gradually" ends up being never really committing to it. And being constantly stimulated by the flavor of animal foods may make them harder to give up. But if you want to do the gradual thing, then set aside two days a week where you will try a vegan meal, and start building up a stock of a half-dozen or so recipes that you like. This would be a combination of new recipes you can explore, and old favorites that you 'veganize"(like making a meat-free version of your favorite chili).
A good reference is "Becoming Vegan." I already mentioned "Vegan Freak," which is also good as far as addressing social situations.
1) I have the idea that it's
>expensive to eat this way, the spelt breads at my health food
>store are like $4.00 a loaf!
It's possible to spend a lot, but in general, a vegan eating organic foods spends about as much as a non vegan (even less, depending on how much you cook from scratch: lentils from scratch are much cheaper than canned, for example). "health food store' foods can be pricey, but regular fruits, vegetables, beans, etc. aren't, so it balances out. (though I wouldn't mind spending more on food than on medications!).
2) I don't want to burden
>anyone else with my food choices. I don't mean DH, but my
>extended family. We do alot of family dinners and I don't
>want anyone to feel as if I am complicating things, you know?
Some people make two meals in that situation. Though I wouldn't think of it as a burden to feed someone healthfully, I know what you mean about them thinking you are imposing your will on them. For family dinners, where someone else is cooking, tell them AHEAD OF TIME what you eat, and either offer to bring a dish of your own to share, or suggest some things that you know they prepare that you'd eat. Or, you could eat ahead of time, and just see the get-together as a time to spend with family and eat lightly of what is available ("Vegan Freak" gives suggestions for these situations).
>Do you guys think it is best to go cold turkey, or ease into
>it?
I think it varies. I went cold turkey (tofu!) from omnivore to vegetarian, and more gradually (fluctuting) to vegan. SOmetimes doing things "gradually" ends up being never really committing to it. And being constantly stimulated by the flavor of animal foods may make them harder to give up. But if you want to do the gradual thing, then set aside two days a week where you will try a vegan meal, and start building up a stock of a half-dozen or so recipes that you like. This would be a combination of new recipes you can explore, and old favorites that you 'veganize"(like making a meat-free version of your favorite chili).
A good reference is "Becoming Vegan." I already mentioned "Vegan Freak," which is also good as far as addressing social situations.
I have found www.vegweb.com to be a great place to go and get vegan recipes. All you do is type in what you want to make and different recipes will pop up with reviews of each one. The other day I wanted to make biscuits and gravy(not the healthiest thing I know), so I typed it in and found a recipe. And it was great. I've found tons of yummy stuff on there, chocolate chip cookies, cornbread, lasagna, scones, etc. I haven't been dissapointed yet. Before you decide to try something though, read the reviews. Not all the recipes are wonderful but I've had success with all the ones I've tried.
There is also a function on the website called "recipe book" where you save all of the recipes you like! You can also post recipes that you like as well. It really is a great tool!
Carolyn
There is also a function on the website called "recipe book" where you save all of the recipes you like! You can also post recipes that you like as well. It really is a great tool!
Carolyn
kathryn
Cathlete
>I have found www.vegweb.com to be a great place to go and get
>vegan recipes. All you do is type in what you want to make and
>different recipes will pop up with reviews of each one. The
>other day I wanted to make biscuits and gravy(not the
>healthiest thing I know), so I typed it in and found a recipe.
>And it was great. I've found tons of yummy stuff on there,
>chocolate chip cookies, cornbread, lasagna, scones, etc. I
>haven't been dissapointed yet. Before you decide to try
>something though, read the reviews.
That sounds great! I haven't seen that site. I like the idea of having reviews with the recipes.
About biscuits and gravy: I sometimes have cravings for things like that (like the 'tater tot hotdish" of my youth---I'm originally from Minnesota, and we love those hotdishes!). It's nice to find vegan versions of those old comfort foods! Now if only I could find a vegan corn dog!!
>vegan recipes. All you do is type in what you want to make and
>different recipes will pop up with reviews of each one. The
>other day I wanted to make biscuits and gravy(not the
>healthiest thing I know), so I typed it in and found a recipe.
>And it was great. I've found tons of yummy stuff on there,
>chocolate chip cookies, cornbread, lasagna, scones, etc. I
>haven't been dissapointed yet. Before you decide to try
>something though, read the reviews.
That sounds great! I haven't seen that site. I like the idea of having reviews with the recipes.
About biscuits and gravy: I sometimes have cravings for things like that (like the 'tater tot hotdish" of my youth---I'm originally from Minnesota, and we love those hotdishes!). It's nice to find vegan versions of those old comfort foods! Now if only I could find a vegan corn dog!!
>
>About biscuits and gravy: I sometimes have cravings for things
>like that (like the 'tater tot hotdish" of my youth---I'm
>originally from Minnesota, and we love those hotdishes!).
>It's nice to find vegan versions of those old comfort foods!
>Now if only I could find a vegan corn dog!!
This is the best I could find Kathryn: http://vegweb.com/recipes/kids/5945.shtml
>About biscuits and gravy: I sometimes have cravings for things
>like that (like the 'tater tot hotdish" of my youth---I'm
>originally from Minnesota, and we love those hotdishes!).
>It's nice to find vegan versions of those old comfort foods!
>Now if only I could find a vegan corn dog!!
This is the best I could find Kathryn: http://vegweb.com/recipes/kids/5945.shtml