If you're overweight and think cardio is the answer...

SirenSongWoman

Cathlete
I just finished reading David Zinczenko's book THE ABS DIET FOR WOMEN and there was a passage I felt compelled to share with those of you who are overweight but may still be upset about Cathe's momentary focus on strength training (STS), over cardio. I, like many of you here, already sort-of knew this but for those of you who didn't or who never felt you REALLY got it, I think Zinczenko spells it out so clearly. I pulled this passage directly from the book (so it's verbatim). It's long but it's not tedious (I don't think). Here it is:


"Changing the Way You Exercise


Have you ever seen a gym at rush hour? Everyone hovers around the treadmills, elliptical trainers, and stationary bikes. Signs warn you of 20-minute maximums so that the next sweat seeker can have his or her turn. It seems like everyone wants a cardiovascular, aerobic workout. The more you sweat, the more calories you burn, the more weight you lose, right? In a way, yes, the headphone-and-Lycra set is right. Cardiovascular exercise – steady-state endurance exercises, like running, biking, and swimming – burns a lot of calories. In fact, it often burns more than other forms of exercise like strength training or trendier workouts like yoga or Pilates. But when it comes to weight control, aerobic exercise is more overrated than the fall TV lineup. Why? For one reason: Aerobic exercise builds little (if any) muscle, and muscle is the key component of a speedy metabolism. Muscle eats fat; again, add 1 pound of muscle, and your body burns up to an additional 50 calories a day just to keep that muscle alive. Add 6 pounds of muscle, and suddenly you’re burning up to 300 more calories each day just by sitting still.

Here’s the problem with low-intensity aerobic exercise. Just like a car can’t run without gas or a kite can’t fly without wind, a body can’t function without food. It’s the fuel that helps you run, lift, and have sex. Generally, during exercise, your body calls upon glycogen (the stored form of carbohydrate in muscles and the liver), fat, and in some cases protein. When you’re doing low-intensity aerobic exercise like jogging, your body primarily uses fat and glycogen (carbohydrates) for fuel. When it continues at longer periods (20 minutes or more), your body drifts into depletion: You exhaust your first-tier energy sources (your glycogen stores), and your body hunts around for the easiest source of energy it can find – protein. Your body actually begins to eat up muscle tissue, converting the protein stored in your muscles into energy you need to keep going. Once your body reaches that plateau, it burns up 5 to 6 grams of protein for every 30 minutes of ongoing exercise. (That’s roughly the amount of protein you’ll find in a hard-cooked egg.) By burning protein, you’re not only missing an opportunity to burn fat but also losing all-important and powerful muscle. So aerobic exercise actually decreases muscle mass. Decreased muscle mass ultimately slows down your metabolism, making it easier for you to gain weight.

Now here’s an even more shocking fact: When early studies compared cardiovascular exercise to weight training, researchers learned that people who engaged in aerobic activities burned more calories during exercise than those who tossed around iron. You’d assume, then, that aerobic exercise was the way to go. But that’s not the end of the story.

It turns out that while lifters didn’t burn as many calories during their workouts as the folks who ran or biked, they burned far more calories over the course of the next several hours. This phenomenon is known as the afterburn – the additional calories your body burns off in the hours and days after a workout. When researchers looked at the metabolic increases after exercise, they found that the increased metabolic effect of aerobics lasted only 30 to 60 minutes. The effects of weight training lasted as long as 48 hours. That’s 48 hours during which the body was burning additional fat. Over the long term, both groups lost weight, but those who practiced strength training lost only fat, while the runners and bikers lost muscle mass as well. The message: Aerobic exercise essentially burns only at the time of the workout. Strength training burns calories long after you leave the gym, while you sleep, and maybe all the way until your next workout. Plus, the extra muscle you build through strength training means that in the long term, your body keeps burning calories at rest just to keep that new muscle alive.

That raises a question. What aspect of strength training creates the long afterburn? Most likely, it’s the process of muscle repair. Weight lifting causes your muscle tissues to break down and rebuild themselves at a higher rate than normal. (Muscles are always breaking down and rebuilding; strength training accelerates the process.) That breakdown and rebuilding takes a lot of energy and could be what accounts for the long period of calorie burning. In fact, a Finnish study found that protein synthesis (the process that builds bigger muscles) increases 21 percent 3 hours after a workout.

The good news is that you don’t have to lift like a Russian shot-putter to see the results. A recent Ohio University study found that a short but hard workout had the same effect as longer workouts. Using a circuit of three exercises in a row for 31 minutes, the subjects were still burning more calories than normal 38 hours after the workout. (The Abs Diet Workout is designed along similar principles to mimic these results.)

As I said earlier, building muscle increases your metabolism so much that you burn up to 50 calories per day per pound of muscle you have. The more muscle you have, the easier it is for you to lose fat. That’s why one of the components of the plan includes an exercise program that will help you add the muscle you need to burn fat and reshape your body. And it also points to one of the reasons why you should deemphasize cardiovascular, aerobic exercise if you want to lose fat: because it depletes you body’s store of fat-burning muscle.

Now, before you start thinking I’m some sort of antiaerobics fanatic, let me clarify a few things: I run almost daily, and I’ve even completed the New York City Marathon. Aerobic exercise burns calories, helps control stress, and improves your cariovascular fitness. It also helps lower blood pressure and improve your cholesterol profile. If your choice is aerobic exercise or no exercise, for Pete’s sake, get out there and run. But when it comes to long-term weight management, I’ll take gym iron over road rubber any day."

So, does this help???
 
I tried to explain this to my FIL last weekend. He was a big runner- ran Boston and N.Y. marathons for years (when NY marathon was just around central park- till 2000) He now bikes extensively. Sometimes 50 miles in a day. I tried to explain the benefits of weight training and balance, but to no avail!!! frustratingx( He kept saying how benificial cardio was (which I didn't argue, it is important) but not to the extent he goes. I am coping this and sending it to him! He is very into excersise and I think he will be interested.

Deanie
 
Yup, what you said! As soon as I started lifting heavier, my body weight went up about 2 lbs (uh-oh, why did I do this?), then about 2 or 3 wks later I had dropped about 6lbs. And it kept falling off!! Yay!!!! I have learned to love my weights. (I may buy them Xmas presents next year :p ) Also the muscle tone under my flub sucks in the flub and makes me look smaller!! Now whenever I'm stuck, I either go a little heavier or switch weight workouts and then I'm back on track. It's wonderful.

Nan
 
You're right - all the latest trends in fitness training are for shorter cardio - and of the cardio -its all about intervals....and strength training so you're maximizing the afterburn effect......check out turbulence training, afterburn, NROLW,Precision Nutrition, fityummymummy(yeah,I know, but she knows her stuff), and all those great trainers support what you are saying....and Cathe seems to be easing all of us into that way of working out since the 4ds.....
 
This is SO interesting! And it explains why, when I did the FIRM years ago, the results stopped.

So, where do endurance workouts fit in? SHould I do a heavy rotation for 4-6 weeks, then do an endurance rotation for a period of time to mix things up? I have all these Cathe DVDs now, I don't want any to go to waste!!
 
>This is SO interesting! And it explains why, when I did the
>FIRM years ago, the results stopped.
>
>So, where do endurance workouts fit in? SHould I do a heavy
>rotation for 4-6 weeks, then do an endurance rotation for a
>period of time to mix things up? I have all these Cathe DVDs
>now, I don't want any to go to waste!!

I am not real educated about this stuff. All I know is I dropped off on cardio because I... well, hate it. I still do it BUT my time is very limited. I noticed when I started eating clean and my primary exercise became weight training the fat just melted off. Amazing. So I was reading THE ABS DIET FOR WOMEN and when I read this passage it was like "YES!!!" He explains what's happening to me. I read so much here from people who are overweight and killing themselves with cardio. They're getting results they can't see and, when you're fat, you want to SEE progress. I, too, did FIRM for six months and saw nothing. Their cardio IS tough but 2 and 3 lb. dumbbells got me nowhere. At the end of six months I was as fat as ever. I knew something was happening under all that blubber but I needed a way to get the fat off. I know I'd read this before but it never clicked until I read it in Zinczenko's book. I'm sort of adult ADD. His explanation was so clear I just got it. I love the book, by the way. There's a part later on where he says something to the effect that building muscle ANYWHERE will help the fat melt off EVERYWHERE. So, you make your legs strong and you lose belly fat. How cool is that??? All this time, I was focusing on the wrong stuff. Changed my focus now my body is finally changing. Everybody's commenting on my change. I can't count how many people have said they're impressed with how fast I'm melting and with the fact that I don't look sick, like so many who lose weight rapidly. So do cardio but shift your focus to serious weight training and eating clean (he says, at least 80% of the time) and see if it doesn't work for you. If I seem preachy about it it's because it works, and I'm proof.

As for the questions about endurance, I strongly suspect Cathe will be addressing this with STS. It's all good.
 
Very interesting! I just wonder how long it will take to see these results? I wonder if my diet is clean enough, if I'm lifting heavy enough, where is the right balance for my body? I want to see the fat "melt off" too!

It's not that I have a lot to lose (I've got like 20-21% body fat and would like to drop to 17% or about 5-10 more pounds), but I seem to be stuck. Maybe I just need more time? I don't know. I want to stay the course, but I'm trying not to get frustrated!

Any thoughts? How do I keep "melting"?
 
Goldenrun, what have you been doing for the past month or two.

I love the passage, thanks for sharing. This sort of info has changed my life!!
 
CollinsMom,

First of all, thanks for showing interest!

I have been lifting heavier than ever lately (upper body, LB, hard to max out at home). I have tried to clean up my diet. Initially, I lost almost ten pounds in no time. I started about two weeks before Christmas and lost six the first week. I thought it was just water, but I never gained it back, so, I'll take it. Then a few more came off more gradually. But, I've been staying steady and haven't lost any more since then.

I'm not sure if I'm not being as strict as I was in the beginning or if I'm still doing well and just need to keep on keepin' on. I HAVE gotten stronger. My pants are still looser, but I would like to keep going in the same direction. I am consistly lifting at Cathe's weight or heavier (sometimes a lot heavier) and I am lifting three to four days per week (the fourth because I teach muscle sculpting- the first three because they are MY workouts, I never work the same body parts on two consecutive days though and usually do a mix of GS, 4DS, BBC, and ocassionally MM and PUB).

So, as for diet, I have been trying to cut out as much processed food as possible. And, I've been doing really well. I just wonder if it is enough? I want the diet to be livable, and right now it is. If I restrict more, it might be harder to maintain. Or maybe just harder to make my new habit? It gets confusing, trying to find that magic rotation and nutrition habits that work best! What's a girl to do???
 
Goldenrun,

Sounds like you are doing great!! Have you taken your measurements lately? I really wonder if you are losing fat, gaining muscle, so the scale is staying the same.

In January I did a Fitness Freak rotation and saw great results. I dropped only one or one and a half pounds over the month, but I lost inches in my chest and biceps. That was good news to me!!

As far as the clean eating goes... It is more of a struggle for some of us than others. I have to remind myself that I eat clean whenever I can, so that when I can't, or DON'T WANT TO, the damage done will be minimal.

By the way, I check in every day at the "cLEAN & tidy" check-in, and you are invited to come check in with us if you like -- we are all in this journey together and support each other with eating issues and life issues! It's really a fabulous group of ladies!
 
The clean eating thing, for me, has become a kind of comic mind game I play on myself. I pack all the right stuff for what often winds up being a 12-hour workday and, all along, I've made a real effort to cram in lots of complex carbs early in the work night. Recently, someone posted her entire routine and complained she wasn't getting the results she should be, even from eating clean. Cathe responded that she really needed to up her protein. Even though I knew I should have been getting more protein it was like "Protein! That's what I'm NOT doing..." so I boiled up some flash-frozen chicken breasts and have brought along more high protein food/snacks and am now making every effort to hit the protein on every break. I may crave that chocolate protein bar (I don't bring along more than one for a reason...) but I eat my unprocessed foods first, often winding up not touching my goodies until much later, if at all. It's comic because it's tough choking down a plain chicken breast and green beans when you can smell someone else's fabulous chow at the next table. But, in the end, I reap what I sow. Sooooo... I do it and my body rewards me. I'm more alert, feel happier and more in control, and I'm already noticing the difference in my muscular definition. My scale for the past few days has been stuck on 177/177.5 lbs. but my waistbands are still getting looser and, as long as I can see and feel progress, it's cool. When results slow or stop I'll fine-tune some more.
 
Well, I have to say that I have never focused on lean protein in the past--low fat and low calorie, definitely. But, since I have added in more lean protein, I find my cravings are much easier to handle (or don't have hardly any) and I feel more satiated! All good things in my book!

But, I agree with Katie and SirenSongWoman--I eat clean when I can so when I can't it's not as bad and as long as I can see and feel progress, it's all good!
 
Cool article!

So, where do endurance workouts fit in? SHould I do a heavy rotation for 4-6 weeks, then do an endurance rotation for a period of time to mix things up? I have all these Cathe DVDs now, I don't want any to go to waste!!

I've decided to use my endurance DVDs as bridges to prepare my body for an upcoming heavier rotation.

For example, after doing Gym Style and Slow & Heavy rotations, I'll go back to an endurance rotation to

1) challenge my muscles in a different way

2) give my body a bit of a break

3) prepare my body for yet another upcoming Gym Style and/or S&H rotation, where hopefully I'll up my weights a bit.

I think the endurance workouts are great for our joints, and I'd like to think that my time spent doing them helps me prepare and possibly prevents injury.
 
So will the 3 days of weight training involved in STS be enough? I was planning on spinning/running/kickboxing for my 3 days of cardio. I know Cathe knows what she's doing, but she has NO weight to lose :D Who else will be doing 3 days of cardio?

Did the article say how long the cardio should be? I'd be thrilled with 30-45 min workouts.
 
Kim, I'll bet you anything there's no one answer, and you'll have to experiment.

Right now, I'm doing 3 days of cardio, 20 minutes only. I'm going to do that while I go as heavy as I can with the weights and see what happens. Then I'm going to do a week or two of circuits and more cardio (maybe 45 minutes), again...just to see what my body does. (When I first started with Cathe and lost weight, I was only doing 10 minutes of cardio, 3 days a week. But then that stalled.)

Some day I may end up doing 3 day splits with an hour of cardio in between, but I'm going to play with less time for now. I plan on shaking up my routine frequently.

Back in the Spring, I read an interview with Tom Venuto, and he talked about periodizing cardio. Just like with weight training, the body gets used to the demands you put on it, so if you're always doing 60 minute cardio sessions, eventually the body isn't going to respond as well as you'd like.

In another interview, he said ultimately one needs to switch things up when the current program isn't working anymore. That may mean less cardio, more cardio, HIIT instead of steady state, etc. Keep at that until that doesn't work anymore, then switch it up again.
 
Sounds like a Load of Crap?

I had posted this on another Fitness site cause I thought "What a great article" and this girl had responded and posted back........................



Sorry,What a Load of Crap!!!!
1. Our bodies do not go into "starvation mode"-there is no such thing-ever watch Survivor? They drop weight like crazy because they don't have food. Starvation mode is a moniker for so called fitness "experts". A calorie is a calorie no matter where it comes from chocolate or lettuce. The more calories are reduced, the more weight one will lose. What happens is, when a person severely restricts caloric intake, the body realizes that it does not need as many to function, so when calories are increased after a very restrictive diet, the body stores them because it has not needed them, that's why dieters tend to regain lost weight, plus an extra ten pounds or so.
2. Cardio is absolutely essential for weight loss, no one loses weight by strength training alone. My niece recently won a women's body building contest on the East Coast, she does lots of cardio to burn the fat off.
3. Muscles do not eat fat....it burns calories like crazy, it takes more calories to maintain muscle, hence more muscles more food. Strength training is most often anaerobic and does not burn fat in the way that cardio does. Muscle take up less space and weighs more than fat, that is why strength building will cause changes to body size, but not necessarily the scale number.
4. Aerobic exercise does not burn protein for fuel...please, do you really believe this? Ever look at a marathon runner, their bodies are nothing but muscle!
5. Aerobic exercise and weight training are both required for a healthy body, depending on the individual one will produce better results than the other. I personally, bulk up when I do a strength only rotation, and slim down /tone up when my rotation includes lots of cardio.
6. The whole concept is a load of crap.
 
I'm sorry to say......but I believe in Starvation Mode it had happened to me!!!! Dr Oz had said
........ Caveman Genetics Our body insists on storing fat , to protect you from drought, famine,charging wildebeests, and other prehistoric threats to your well-being. Even though you're centuries removed from your inner caveman, your body doesn't really know it -- so it remains a fat storing machine. The cavemen would hunt for days and weeks with very little food and stavation mode was are way of surviving! I agree though...... some people dont keep track of calories and blame it on Starvation mode.
 

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