I have a very senstitive problem...I need some feedbac...

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I didn't know if I should post this here or not but I cannot keep it to myself any longer. My husband lost his job a week ago and since then I have been living in pure h*ll! I cannot work due to health problems. Since he lost his job and our health insurance, he has not spoken to me once except to call me names. And I don't mean nice ones. Anything and everything goes. He has slept on the couch for a week. No matter how much I tell him things will work out, he negates everything I say. In all my life, I don't think I have ever been so viciously attacked verbally by anyone. I never realized how words can completely tear a person to shreds.

I understand a man's job is his worth, but aren't married couples supposed to pull together? I' sorry if I'm overstepping my bounds here, but I had to get this off my chest. I honestly try to be the best person I can and I don't feel I deserve this at all. I don't know what I'm going to do, but I can't deal with it much longer. Has anyone else gone through this? If so, ANY feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Sherry http://www.gif-seite.de/vorschaubilder/smilies/laola.gif

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Hi Sherry,

I just wanted to tell you that I hope he will calm as sooner as possible. My father had this childlike behavior with my mother... She used not to answer him, not to talk to him as long as he kept this attitude. She never worked in her life, but she managed to have him understand that she could do without him... This sounds a bit "extreme", but this is also a question of mutual respect I think. Take care Sherry !
 
Hi Sherry, Just wanted to say how sorry I am that you are going through this. My husband lost his job last year, (along with everyone else at the company he worked for.) I don't work and we have 4 children at home. Everyone handles the stress of that differently, but you need to convey to him name calling is not acceptable. Did he get fired or was the company downsized? You need to consider if he was fired, and he's acting the way he is, it may be a sign of a deeper, bigger problem. If the company downsized, then his behavior is the result of his fear for the future. And it's a legitimate fear based on the fact this is the worst job market since the depression. HOWEVER, the good thing is there are signs that the job market will be picking up. (For the first time in years!) If he was downsized, you should be able to continue your health insurance thru something called COBRA, and although you have to pay a minimal amount, it would keep you insured. In the meantime, while he is sorting this out in his head, I would make sure he understands that you trust that he will be able to handle this, that you believe he will find another job, and that you will help him any way you can. BUT, that you will not tolerate abusive behavior. This too will pass!

Jackie
 
Yes, ma'am, he does this to you BECAUSE HE CAN! You won't see him lashing out at the neighbors, will you? I agree with the others who say to let him know that this behavior is not acceptable.

We do, indeed, teach people how to treat us, so if he thinks he can get away with it, he will continue.
 
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Jackie,everyone was laid off, so I do undertand his fear. Honeybunch, you're absolutely right. (I watch Dr. Phil all the time too! LOL)
I know you're all right, but it is still REALLY hard to take. I'm not used to be treated like I'm a total nonentity. Well, worse, I guess a total nonentity is treated like they don't exist which in this case would be better! No matter how you slice it, no one deserves to be called names they've never even heard of. I'll get over it ~ just needed an ear! Thanks guys! :) BTW, thank goodness for the outlet of working out.:7
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Jackie, the company was downsized, so I guess he doesn't have the humiliation of being fired. Honeybunch, you're absolutely right. I watch Dr. Phil all the time. LOL!:7

Exactly how do I let him know this behavior is not acceptable? Everytime I try to tell him it's not acceptable, he calls me something else. I'm not used to being degraded, especially with names I've never even heard of!

Oops, double post, but at least it has some new info in it (or complaints:p.) BTW, I don't mean to be a Negative Nellie:+
Sherry http://www.gif-seite.de/vorschaubilder/smilies/laola.gif

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Hi Sherry --

Being unemployed is tough, but it doesn't give anyone a "free pass" to be abusive. I agree with the others, take a stand with your husband right away. Otherwise, he'll start to think yelling and name-calling is an ok way to deal with stress. You'll not only see this while he's unemployed, but any time in the future he's feeling stressed.

On the practical side, since it was a downsizing, did the company provide any outplacement services? Many times, these services include counseling on dealing with the emotional side of job loss. This may be an avenue to help him deal with things.

For yourself, please either find a support group (most medium to large cities have them, especially through churches and syngogues). If that is available, please consider going to counseling yourself. Husband and wife are one, and he's not the only one suffering from the job loss.

My heart goes out to you, Sherry. I've been through this same thing myself. I'll keep you and your husband in my prayers.

Juli
 
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Sherry -- Just reread your post. An appropriate way to show him that this is inappropriate is to leave the room when he get abusive. Tell him you'll come back when he's calmer and talks to you in a civil way.

Juli
 
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I would ask him for a minute of his time. Just a minute. If he responds negatively with name calling and so forth, I would respond with an ultimatum. That you are there for him if he does not talk to you that way. If he insists on verbally abusing you, you will leave UNTIL he can treat you with respect. Not as in divorce, but as in you will not accept this kind of treatment every day. And have some place lined up. Or, write him a long letter and set it out one morning, expressing your support and love, AND that he needs to CHANGE the way he is TALKING to you. And that when you come home you will discuss it with him. And then don't come home till later in the day. (Sometimes reading something is easier to hear with men.) Does he have a close friend or family member that you can confide in that might be able to talk to him? Is he normally an overreactive kind of guy? I don't mean in how he's talking to you, but does he react to things very emotionally, initially? Hang in there, and you absolutely are NOT a "negative nelly"!!!!

Jackie

Edited to add I agree with Juli in so far as leaving the room first. But if he continues, even after you walk away from him, then you need to consider not being in the same house. Again, this isn't because you are considering a "separation or divorce".
 
Sending you lots of (((((BIG HUGS)))))) Sherry. And I agree, let him know his behaviour is completely unacceptable.

Best Wishes,

Anna
 
Hi Sherry,

I'm so sorry to hear you're having to go through this. Men do seem to change when they're not working, don't they? It seems they have an outlet, though work, to get rid of some of their energy and that they can channel it in positive ways there. Now he's stuck at home with all this energy and nowhere for it to go except to let it erupt sporadically and in negative ways. Does he have any hobbies, especially something physical like gardening or sports? This might help him relieve some of the tension. I know I used to be a pretty mean racquetball player because I had so much stress and anger and had to relieve it somehow in a (somewhat) positive way. And I have some yard-size gardens that I dug completely by hand left over that I have to keep up these days! But men, in my experience, aren't so likely to look for those positive outlets, so sometimes we have to help them find them. Just a thought.

As for verbal abuse, my husband tried it once, I think just to see what I'd do, to see if he could bully me. I said to him, very quietly, very firmly, in a frighteningly dead-calm voice, "I don't speak to you this way and you won't speak to me this way." Then I left the house. I didn't leave him. I wasn't planning separation or divorce. But he had no idea what I was going to do and I didn't want him to know. I just left him hanging and gave him time to think (and luckily for me, to worry) about it. I don't know your situation so I don't know if it will work for you, but it worked for me.
 
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Hi Sherry,

I went through a very similar situation about four years ago that lasted almost a year. I'm a little shy about posting the details publicly. Do you mind if I email you privately?

I know what you're feeling. :(
 
Sherry,

I agree with everyone else. You MUST lay down the law and let him know that no matter how bad he is feeling, he cannot be abusive to you and such behavior is completely unacceptable. It's no fun, but it must be done.

I went through it with a boyfriend, and I feel for what you are going through. I also think you are VERY wise and brave to bring it up here. Who better to talk to than a forum full of intelligent women? Whatever your husband may be going through, you need a place to share what you're going through with supportive people like us! Just talking about it here shows how strong you are. No doubt you have what it takes to get through this and to handle this the right way.

Please keep us posted.

-Nancy
 
Oh dear God Sherry I know what your going through. My DH lost 3 yes I said 3 jobs last year; each within 8 wks. apart. If that wasn't enough to send the man over a cliff I don't know what will. He, however, gave himself this time to re-evaluate his inner strength & resolve & boy did he find it! I really had to commend him each & every day as to his strength. I don't know where he found it but everyday he was on the phone as well as hitting the pavement. He also has a lot of friends in his industry & through talking every day w/them this also gave him the strength. I would tell him not to worry about how much he would be making just so long as he could land something.

Unfortunately your husband is taking out HIS frustrations & ANGER on you & he isn't helping the situation any. I know this will be very hard for you to do but try to ignore his comments; his comments don't really have anything to do w/you. Just keep encouraging him; look on the internet for him to see if you find anything interesting even though he'll be doing this for himself too.

I know I'm not much help but maybe just knowing that there are others who went through this will give you the courage & strength to help him. My prayers are w/you both. Take care, Kathy:*
 
Hi Sherry,
Sounds like you are getting some great advice from everyone. From your post it sounds like this behavior from him is new? Or, in the past, has he lashed out on you over other things? I would say that if he has never acted this way before when under stress, maybe he needs to see his doctor for a medical checkup and a referral to a mental health professional. Look into COBRA for your medical benefits. As everyone else has said, don't take it,leave. You must act, or the situation could escalate. Best of luck to you. My husband, a civil engineer, has had bouts of unemployment for the past 8 years due to layoffs, company closures etc..He never called me names but was depressed and had a hard time talking about it. I kind of resented all the stress he put me thriugh although logically I knew it wasn't his fault. Sometimes life's challenges are not easy. Hang in there.:)
 
Hi Sherry,

Because everyone else has pretty much said what I would have, I just read your post to my husband and asked him as a man, what was his opinion? Here's his:

Men like your husband, who obviously are from the "old school" and believe a man's worth is tied into being the "bread winner/primary support" for the family take something like this extremely hard, it goes to the root of who they are.
Where you should sit down with him and calmly express that he needs to stop taking it out on you with both verbal and non-verbal expressions, in that same conversation be very reassuring that "together, you will figure things out!" My hubby says its very important to make him feel as though you have not lost faith in him and that you know the two of you can get through it. He also says the words men love to hear the most are, "what can I do to make this easier for you?" He says that should help him feel less alone and attacked by what has happened, because even if you're not pointing the finger and saying, "I can't believe the situation you've put us in!" He is internally pointing the finger at himself. He says, "its a man thing!"

Good luck, and remember, we're here for support, all kinds of support!

Donna

Fitness~ It's a journey, not a race!
 
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Sherry, I can say that I have been in those shoes, and every so often still am. When my hubby gets mad of course he yells, cusses and its mostly at me. He and I have been married almost 22 yrs and have 2 sons, ages 20 and almost 17.
Thru those 22 yrs I have put up with his temper, but the only reason in these past 8 1/2 yrs that I haven't left is because God gave me the strength to stick it out. I won't go into all the details of my christianity, but my relationship with God is what has kept me here, He has given me the grace I need to bear what I need to. With prayer things get much better. So Sherry if you know any praying christians ask them for prayer :) ... I can say that he has called me just about and maybe everybad name that you could think of. So I know how that feels, but it has nothing to do with a job loss on my end. But talking does help. Anyway I just wanted to let you know this so you would know there are others just like you out here. Take care and God bless. :) Rhonda
 
Sherry,

I'm sorry to hear that!! It must be tough on both of you, but it doesn't give him any excuses to be mean to you. Something my husband once told me during a hard time in our relationship was that we must learn to fight together towards the same goal vs. fighting against each other. It's something I try to keep in mind when we have minor arguments, etc. and it helps me focus on what I really am striving for. We also bought some books on communication at Amazon.com and they are excellent. It shows how often times what one person says is heard and interpreted entirely different by the person it was intended for. It has helped both of us be better listeners and communicators.

Colleen
 
Hi Sherry:

not a happy situation right now, huh?

I don't suggest anything drastic. I don't ever support advice to leave the guy or anything like that, not unless he is physically violent.

He is a human being, as are you, living in a complex world and trying to make the best of it. But life is not perfect and he is having a hard time dealing with the curve it has thrown him. He is human and humans screw up. Whilst it is hurtful for you to be bombarded with verbal abuse, it is a symptom of his inability to work through the current troubles and the anger, hurt, frustration he currently feels. It sounds from your post that this kind of behaviour is totally off the wall, something you have never experienced before from him, and if this is so, then I think it's way more about him and his current inability to handle his emotions than it is about you.

I practice what my mother always practiced when my husband suddenly flies off the handle (he is a very gentle man and loving father but can suddenly flare up and takes life's difficulties out on us, me and the kids, with verbal obscenities and blame throwing in my direction): my mother always said to us to ignore him, he'll get over it, and she did, and he did, and I do, and my husband does.

I am a student of cultural studies, gender and sexuality and literature and everything I have read tells me that a large part of the problem lies with the ways in which our cultures construct masculinity, how men are raised to be, to think, to behave, and to react, what they are told to be a man is, what masculinity is. Donna's husband seems to understand this in her post. Your husband may well currently feel attacked at the root of his masculinity, even though he may not be able to put this in words. His social value is what is currently in question. When this happens, men typically take it out on the person who is regarded as socially weaker than they are, in the differential power relationship, and in this scenario, that's you.

This is therefore a big deal and while no-one condones verbal abuse, what your husband probably needs from you right now is level-headedness, try to think clearly and dissassociate your hurt from his needs where possible.

Can you find him a counsellor, a therapist, a profesional of some kind whom he can talk to and air some of these frustrations in the right direction, rather than taking them out on the only person he can right now. If you find the numbers, leave them in front of him, tell him what they are, that you would like him to consult someone because he clearly needs help for a few weeks and his behaviour is not accceptable. Then walk away from the isssue and see if he can help himself a little.

Generally speaking, it might be a good idea to keep yourself out of his way, give yourself some breathing space, get out of the house, let him rant and rave against the walls for a while, and surround yourself with loving people who can keep affirming your self-confidence while the difficult period lasts.

I wonder, from my chats with mother in laws, sisters and female friends, whether to some extent men are raised to always look elsewhere to lay the blame for a certain situation, rather than accepting that it is they who have been in error and must accept responsibility. And even though all were laid off and it is not that your husband did anything wrong in a professional sense, still there may be some sense of guilt in there and men just are not taught how to deal with it it seems. That does not mean we have to accept their inability to work through their own issues and errors, however. This is certainly an issue in my marriage and drives me insane every time it comes up, I have yet to find a solution and I am still waiting for apologies for all the times he was wrong and took it out on me. I wait in vain I suspect.

Anyway, we here at the forums are all keeping you in our thoughts and hoping for the best possible solution to this predicament for you. In the meanwhile, stay strong.

Clare
 
Sherry, I am so sorry you are going through this. My advise would be to talk with clergy or seek out an MFCC in your area or other support group. There is no excuse for being spoken to like that. He is probably saying these things over his panic about the future. But I think you have to look at his layoff as a positive thing. Maybe this happend for a reason and a better, happier job is out there soon. I hope this will pass and your marriage will be stronger in the end.

Beth sending hugs!
 

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