cast out of shape !!!!

What!!!! I've noticed even more how Cathe's cast has improved (not that they needed to) from doing the current rotation. I can't believe that comment was even made. I've never done any Firm videos, so I couldn't even begin to compare. Even if I could, I'm sure I wouldn't make such an unbelievable comment like that.

Dallas
 
VF and Collage involve more than one instructor, unlike this site where you have just Cathe. Those differences mean you are going to see people criticize Cathe more at the other sites. That's what they are there for, to analyze and critique various instructors. I think Cathe is in good shape but I don't consider her entire cast to be buff. Nothing wrong with that though.
People have differing views of what "in shape" means. Many muscular people cannot run 2 miles without throwing up. And many cardio freaks cannot lift diddly squat. Perhaps that's where the comment came from. I doubt jealousy was high on the list as a reason, though. Anyone that emotionally caught up in this stuff needs a reality check, and quick.
Breast augmentation versus using a PT to get in shape for selling ones videos---two different methods with the same result in mind--selling videos to make money. Both, to me, kind of deceive the buyer to some degree. People see Cathe as buff as she was from working with the PT and think they'll get that way by just doing her videos. Well, they will be sorely mistaken in most cases. Same for instructors with augmentation. Neither have anything to do with getting the look through the videos themselves. I prefer Cathe's hard work with the PT approach but that's me. For these instructors the goal is the same, to sell, sell, sell. I am fine with it myself.
Oh well, you can overanalyze it forever, and it's time to get busy working out.
 
lol oh my gosh, i thought this thread was about a cast, like one on a broken leg!!!! haha


well, cathe and her crew are all beautiful with rock hard bodies. nuff said :)
 
I guess I'm going to chime in here.

Last year I ran a marathon in San Francisco. My training didn't go well (an injury, a bad head cold for 18 mile run, stomac flu for 20 mile run). On top of that, San Francisco is nothing but hills and running 26 miles of them was the single most hardest thing I have ever done physically.

I didn't completely recover from that marathon for a good month. I had to come back slowly. I was unable to finish any Cathe workout for the first two weeks so used some the Firm classics workouts I had. When I did start using Cathe workouts again I had to take frequent rest breaks.

I KNOW that Cathe is much much more advanced than the Firm. I keep my old Firms around for the purpose of having an easier workout when it's called for.

Also, I didn't go on the road trip but did read countless times where the women who did go mentioned how fit (and buff) Cedie, Brenda and Lorraine are.

I really don't understand the Cathe bashing that goes on. I would never bash the Firm because it has a place......
 
That is, hands-down, the most rediculous thing I've ever heard. Thank god I wasn't eating or drinking cause I'd spit it right out onto the computer. If they aren't in great hsape then I'd like to know what is considered great shape...
 
Every time I see Cathe bashing on VF or wherever, I figure they've tried Cathe, and she's too tough for them. They can't handle the workouts, so in order to make themselves feel better, they just decide to bash her and her crew. That is just my .02 and it makes perfect sense.

Carry on. :7
 
Actually it makes little sense. There may be a few who are as you described, but I don't really think you can group all of them that way. It is possible to be in shape and not like Cathe or her workouts.
Cathe is advanced but her workouts are very doable by individuals who are in decent shape. Let's not act like they are impossible except for the very elite exerciser because we certainly know that that is not the case. Most regular exercisers who work out the way they say there are, should be fine doing Cathe workouts.
Also, from what I see, many VFers seem to be regulars in here. VF is a place for critiquing various instructors and videos. So is Collage, right? It's different from a "fan" site. There are regulars here who go to those places and critique her, then come here and do the worship thing. And that's great. You can be a fan and be critical as well. I'm sure the same happens with other instructors.
 
My original post makes perfect sense to me. It may make little sense to you, and that's fine.

Here's another thought everyone:

I also have come to the conclusion over the years, that there are other Cathe bashers who used to be regulars on this board, but then offended *many* other Cathe regulars by just being rude and contradicting everyone acting like high and mighty know it alls, debating any and every little thing. They are the monkey wrench throwers. They find themselves no longer liked by anyone here. Then they go to VF and change their user names so no one will figure out who they are. Sometimes they also decide to change their user names and come back here on the Cathe board and continue to bash Cathe. But, what they don't realize is that by the way they word things and talk to people, it's not hard to figure out who they used to be.

:7 :7

These kinds of people are very bitter for some reason and are attention starved. Who knows? But, that's fine because I find it very entertaining that these people actually think that no one knows who they really are.
 
I think Cathe and crew's physique has changed over the years.(improved in my opinion). You can definitely see changes in the different series.

That is because they are human and focus on different aspects of training at different times.

Firm instructers maintain the same shape through the years.



I believe that is because they really are not human but robots created by the producers of the videos. :eek: :p Marnie
 
I just don't understand why some people feel its urgent to post on these threads, that in their opinion, Cathe & her cast aren't as advanced as they are. I think these posters come here just to "stir the pot".

If you love your Firm so much, then keep it. No one is twisting your arm the be a devout Cathe follower, but don't deny the obvious. These ladies are in amazing condition and they do seem to get better each year. That's just good news for us, because it means we can aspire to become in better shape & condition each year ourselves, right?


Marla
 
I did read somewhere
>that in BSS 3 she looked too lean and looked more normal in
>BSS 4.

She looked positively anorexic in BSS3 (supposedly she was ill, but I wouldn't have had her in the cast in that condition).
 
i personaly don't care what people on other forums think about Cathe or her crew. Their opinions are useless to me. For those who go to those other forums looking for advice about which instructors are the best, all they need to do is watch a video clip or tune in to fit.tv for a few minutes. It will be obvious who the best is. It will also be clear that the people who make comments like the one we are discussing don't know their asses from holes in the ground! They can stay in their own little worlds and be oblivious.


jes
 
>Actually it makes little sense. There may be a few who are as
>you described, but I don't really think you can group all of
>them that way. It is possible to be in shape and not like
>Cathe or her workouts.
>Cathe is advanced but her workouts are very doable by
>individuals who are in decent shape. Let's not act like they
>are impossible except for the very elite exerciser because we
>certainly know that that is not the case. Most regular
>exercisers who work out the way they say there are, should be
>fine doing Cathe workouts.
>Also, from what I see, many VFers seem to be regulars in here.
>VF is a place for critiquing various instructors and videos.
>So is Collage, right? It's different from a "fan" site. There
>are regulars here who go to those places and critique her,
>then come here and do the worship thing. And that's great. You
>can be a fan and be critical as well. I'm sure the same
>happens with other instructors.
>

I agree completely.

And there are some people who take any critique of Cathe as "bashing". Don't forget that most people making those critiques are also regular Cathe users (otherwise, they would have no basis on which to make the critiques).

One reason some people have left this forum is because they were the target of over-zealous Cathe defenders who allow no criticism of their favorite (and many times, only) instructor. "Bashing," is beyond displeasure with some aspect of something, and beyond critiques that one can support with evidence, and more personal digs with no support. Just like "obsession is what lazy people call dedication," "bashing is what some overzealous defenders call some valid critiques".

While some comments by some Firm users or others may entre the realm of "bashing," I don't think jealousy enters into it. And to say things like "people criticize Cathe because they can't do her workouts" or "they don't have what it takes" or "they're jealous (of those of us who can do them)" or whatever, sounds very elitist to me. Ironically, some of these statements sound as ignorant as someone saying Cathe and crew are more and more out of shape!

I never understand these "us vs. them" disputes (Firmies vs. Catheites, VF vs. Cathe.com). Especially since a number of "us" are also "them"! Why the hostility? I use mostly Cathe, especially lately, but I also have many other workouts and instructors in my collection, and some do some things better than Cathe. I also think there are several Firm workouts (from the "middle years" between Tortoise/Hare and the Goodtimes Firms) that are quite effective and can be tough if you use the right weights. "Firm Cardio" (aka: Strong Heart) "Firm Strength" (aka: Strong body?) and some of the weight workouts featuring Tracie Long are great workouts. And until recently (when Cathe added step-ups and deadlifts to her workouts) they did the best job of any workouts on my booty!
 
Lately I find myself seeking Kathryn's posts. She always has a well thought out and researched approach to the topics under discussion. She is not the type to throw out the punch line with absolutely no evidence to back it up. I don't always agree with everything she says. However, this time, she nailed it.
 
>One reason some people have left this forum is because they
>were the target of over-zealous Cathe defenders who allow no
>criticism of their favorite (and many times, only) instructor.

I've seen people come here and not just Cathe bash, but argue about anything and everything else on this Open Forum. Just anything in general. The majority of the bickering and monkey wrench throwing was non Cathe related.

>While some comments by some Firm users or others may entre the
>realm of "bashing," I don't think jealousy enters into it.
>And to say things like "people criticize Cathe because they
>can't do her workouts" or "they don't have what it takes" or
>"they're jealous (of those of us who can do them)" or
>whatever, sounds very elitist to me. Ironically, some of these
>statements sound as ignorant as someone saying Cathe and crew
>are more and more out of shape!

I used to frequent the Firm message boards (back when I was an all out Firmie) and this is exactly what a lot of them said. "I can't do Cathe." "I'm afraid of Cathe." "There's no way, she's too tough." "It's way too much. She's crazy!"

This is how I first heard of Cathe. I was wondering, "How hard can she be?" That's when I looked her up. It's thanks to them, I found her. :7 Ironic, I think! :) This memory crosses my mind every time I see someone Cathe bash, not just critique. I can't help it. Maybe it's because of how I first found Cathe.

>
>I never understand these "us vs. them" disputes (Firmies vs.
>Catheites, VF vs. Cathe.com). Especially since a number of
>"us" are also "them"! Why the hostility? I use mostly Cathe,
>especially lately, but I also have many other workouts and
>instructors in my collection, and some do some things better
>than Cathe. I also think there are several Firm workouts
>(from the "middle years" between Tortoise/Hare and the
>Goodtimes Firms) that are quite effective and can be tough if
>you use the right weights. "Firm Cardio" (aka: Strong Heart)
>"Firm Strength" (aka: Strong body?) and some of the weight
>workouts featuring Tracie Long are great workouts. And until
>recently (when Cathe added step-ups and deadlifts to her
>workouts) they did the best job of any workouts on my booty!


I also enjoy some of the old Firms. I still have my favorites. I gave most of the others away. I also just love Beachbody's Slim Series and P90X! Kathryn, you were the one who got me hooked on Kickboxing! :7 I enjoy Janis Saffel because of you. So for that, I thank you. Cathe is the best though IMHO.


:) :)
 
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