Wild Yeast Sourdough Starters Exchange

Janis, Would love a seed starter that you started in Dec. That is so cool!:cool: Guys, what do they know anyway? LOL:D In September do be a purist, get the musky grapes that you most likely will raid in the local vineyard. Wish I could be there with you! LOL:eek:

OOOOOOO, how did the Ciabbata taste? Heaven I suspect.;)

Drying the seed starter doesn't hurt it at all. I've done it many many times when people have asked me for a starter. If youu crunch it up in small pieces, you will be able to just put it in an envelope. That's what I do a lot.

Tricia, Yes, may Bill rest in piece. I'm starting a Bill II this time. LOL You are doing a great job on your starters. You go girl! Even with the first seed starter not working out, it's still fun.:)

Suzanne, Sounds like you are doing everything Peter tells you. It will happen. Patience is key.:rolleyes:

Janie
 
I wanted to bump us back up to Page 1. :p

Also, I wanted to let everyone know that my new starters appear to be doing much better! Yay! I ended up starting both a white and a wheat one. I'm thinking that the pineapple juice was too cold and I shouldn't have used a tight lid. They both thinned out and there were actually a few bubbles tonight in both of them when I went to feed them! I really hope they work this time! :)
 
Go Tricia! Sounds like you've got some real activity!

Mine is...funny. I think it's ok, he warns that it will be thick at this stage and it is. A bit Blob like. But it seems to have some life in it plus a bubble or two.

We'll see what tomorrow brings....
 
Good for you for hanging in there with your first one, Suzanne!

Janis & Janie - How are you guys doing?

Janis - As much as I want summer to last, I'm sure looking forward to your experiment with the grapes!
 
Suzanne and Tricia,

Sounds like you might have live ones. Good going.

Well, as I expected, (this time no light/warmth) on them, I have a Bob II. Da Da! We'll see how it goes, you just never know.

Janie
 
Janie - Woo-Hoo! Let's hope we all end up with nice cultures this time! I'm so looking forward to inundating you with tons of questions on how to actually get bread made out of this once it's ready! LOL!
 
Janie - Woo-Hoo! Let's hope we all end up with nice cultures this time! I'm so looking forward to inundating you with tons of questions on how to actually get bread made out of this once it's ready! LOL!

Third day: Bill II has grown into a double size. Yeah! Can't wait for day 4.

Inundate me all you want. We'll have you baking bread like a bro! I'll direct you on a site (when your ready) that will have step by step instructions with pictures.

See yas,

Janie
 
Yay for Bill II! Hm, mine hasn't doubled in bulk, but it sure is bubbling! Tonight will be Day 4 for me. I'm just going to continue to follow the instructions and hope for the best!
 
Hi Janey, Tricia and Suzanne

I am very happy to report that the loaves of bread I started several days ago, are baking or have been baked and are cooling.

I used three different recipes/techniques with the Mother Starter that I made from my yeast culture per Reinhert's instructions. I still have a good quantity of Mother left, so after tasting the outcome, I'll get started on another round of baking. This round of 100% sourdough bread baking has been my best yet. My yeast breads have been excellent, but the sourdough has/had been troublesome.

Getting and using Reinhert's book made all the difference. There seems to be a confusing variety of language used between authors. I ran aground with Nancy Silverton's breads and methods; I was simply confused.

It could also be time and experience, and allowing for all the information to process and assimilate. I seem to learn by doing and making mistakes.

This website and group has helped me too: http://sourdough.com/recipes

Janey - How do you suggest I dry my culture? Suzanne and Tricia, do you want a sample of my current culture? All - PM your addresses please.:D

Oh - I never had any of the Ciabbata. I'll sample the sourdough for my own edification, but generally I don't eat bread!:eek: Bread, yeasted - particularly, makes me blow up like the Pillsbury Dough Boy! Sad, huh!?

While the bread cools, I need to get some seeds started and plant some peas and carrots in the garden beds! What are you growing this year? I ordered tomato and pepper seedlings from Territorial Seed Company, I ordered late, so they won't be here until mid-April.

Happy Saturday to One and All.
 
Janis - Your bread loaves sound wonderful! How sad that you can't even eat your own bread! Unfortunately, I don't have that problem! I love bread! I've been doing really well not eating any except my occasional sandwich. I'll be happier eating homemade bread for that! I can't wait!

I'l love a sample from your current culture! I'll PM you my address.

I guess I'm going to have to get some bread cookbooks soon! My newest cultures on in the midst of their Day 3 sitting. I'll do Day 4 tonight. Hopefully, I'll start seeing some increase in volume after that. They're bubbling up, but that's about it right now.

Good thing flour isn't all that expensive! I may go through a whole 5 lb. bag just trying to get one of these cultures going! LOL! It sounded so easy! Doesn't really matter, as I'm having a lot of fun just trying!
 
Tricia, bubbling is a very good sign. Good luck.

Janis, OMG! Already? You are fast. I think I might be able to prepare for baking bread tomorrow. It will be a few days and I also will be able to have baked bread. YAHOO! I'm very confident that this batch will make it.:)

All you have to do to dry it, is spread the culture out on some parchment paper or wax paper evenly and thin, well, not super thin.;) Let air dry for a few days and then just crumble it up as small as you like. Then you can send it in an regular envelope. About 2-4 T. per person would be more than adequate.

I know what you mean about different words for different authors. From what I can gather the seed/culture is culture. After the culture is made then you start a Barm or starter.. I think it is the same. Then you start your bread with the Barm/starter for a few days then you bake it. Do you think that's right?:rolleyes: I hope so.

I'm on a specific diet that does not allow to eat bread. I'm bummed too. But maybe just a very tiny bite? We'll see. What we do for our loved ones, hu?:)

Love Territorial Seed Co. But I'm not having a garden this year. I need a rest from it.

Janie
 
Hi Janey

Thanks for the addy. I know I keep asking about the drying process, I think you have given me the same instructions three times! God bless a patient and kind woman! I am truly incredulous it is that simple. I think I am also wondering where in the hell I am going to put the culture to dry where my guys (I live with four) won't mistaken it for something to throw out, burn, recycle, eat, spit upon or any variation there of! lol.

My seed culture has been happy with it's regular feedings, so I didn't have to start from scratch. Although I would have, had all of you asked me to start a truly wild culture. I still will though, when I have local grapes!

I have heard words like barm, sponge, dough culture, mother - it's such a mind numbing vocabulary game. If you had not started this thread, Janey, I think I may have given up, I persisted because of your inspiration. Now it's all starting to click.

I considered giving my garden a rest, but I am a stubborn chick, so I am persisting with it too - but pared down - a lot - to what I know will work, doesn't attract aphids, and what I love to eat. :D Gotta have fresh tomatoes and basil. Bruschetta, you know! Oh, btw, I made a quart of tapendade, they already ate more than half! Yummy stuff. Easy to make. Definitely better on day two.

Now I really am going out to the garden.:D

ETA: I just tasted all three loaves. Wow....all so different....all so delicious. If I were to pick just one, it would be Peter Reinhert's SF Sourdough from "Artisan Breads Every Day." The boys are exclaiming their appreciation for it as well. The other two were from the link above, one is the Pain Champagne and the other Pain a l'Ancienne. The SF Sourdough uses both sourdough culture and yeast, but there is a purist variation too.

Out to garden. Really.
 
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I wish I could have a garden! Someday! I want a greenhouse, so I can have fresh veggies year round! I want to use hydroponics as I've had success with a small set up back in NC!

Can anyone explain the hydration thing to me? Some recipes call for 67%, others for 100%. I guess I'm going to need to know what that is and also preferment? I was looking at Janis' link and they use that term. Is that what we call kneading? Oh, boy! Do they make dictionaries for this stuff? LOL! I'm trying to wrap my head around all of the things I'm going to need to know to bake my first loaf now, so I'm ready when my culture is ready!

Thanks ladies! You really are saints!
 
Tricia,

Use this link to help with any questions you may have. They explain things so well, they have better explanations than other site IMO. Go through everything, starters, recipes, troubleshooters... If it still is beyond you, I'll try my best to help. But, reading through this will give you a head start and an understanding about sour dough, cultures, starters...;)

Northwest Sourdough It's a really good place to learn.

This is from the above link in the starter section...

For 166 % hydration add: 1 cup (5 oz) flour (166% = 8 oz water / 5 oz flour)
For 100 % hydration add: 1 & 2/3 cup (8 oz)flour(100% = 8 oz water / 8 oz flour)



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A pre-ferment (pâte fermentée), also called a sponge, a starter, or the mother dough is a fermentation starter used in bread baking. It usually consists of a simple mixture of flour, water, and a leavening agent (typically yeast), and is added to bread dough before the kneading and baking process as a substitute for yeast. Though they have declined in popularity as direct additions of yeast in bread recipes have streamlined the process on a commercial level, pre-ferments of various forms are widely used in artisanal bread recipes.
Using a pre-ferment and a longer fermentation in the breadmaking process gives greater complexity of flavor, through yeast- and bacterial-action, enhancing the flavour and keeping time of the finished product. The starter ingredients are mixed in a container at least three times bigger than the ingredients, to allow room for the starter to grow. The starter is left sitting at room temperature, up to 72 hours, before being added to the dough. Starters typically last three to five days,[citation needed] but this time can be extended through refrigeration and providing more water and flour until it is ready to be used. To add more flour and water, it is generally best advised to first reduce the amount of starter by half and replacing it with a 50-50 mix of flour and water.
There are several kinds of pre-ferment commonly used in bread baking:

  • Sourdough starter is likely the oldest, being entirely reliant on wild yeasts present in the grain and local environment. Sourdough starters are maintained over long periods of time. The Boudin Bakery in San Francisco for example, has used the same starter dough for over 150 years. These starters generally have fairly complex microbiological makeups, most notably including wild yeasts, lactobacillus, and acetobacteria. A roughly synonymous term in French baking is levain.
  • Old dough (pâte fermentée) sponges can be made with any sort of yeast, and essentially consist of a piece of dough reserved from a previous batch of bread, with more flour and water added in to feed the remaining yeast.
  • Biga and poolish are terms used in Italian and French baking, respectively, for starters made with domestic baker's yeast. Poolish is usually a fairly wet starter (typically made with a one-part-flour-to-one-part-water ratio by weight), while biga can be wet or dry. The common, but undocumented, origin given for the poolish is that it was first used by Polish bakers around 1840, hence its name, and as a method was brought to France in the beginning of 1920s. "Poolish" however is an old English version of "Polish", whereas the term seems to be most used in France (where "polonais" is the word for "Polish"). There is not currently any credible explanation for the origin of the term.
Hope this helps. But I have a feeling it's too much info. (sorry:()

Sometimes, (and Janis and I have come across this) people talk about cultures or they may say seed culture, then others will say completely different things, seems there is a little confusion about the many words meaning one thing. I think it depends where you are from. But, you have us too, so you are not alone. We'll all learn together.

Janie
 
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Janis, It's Ok to ask and ask until you understand. At least that is what I do.;) Glad to be of help.

Continuing to take half of the culture and throwing it away and feeding it everyday. Will do this up to 2 weeks. Should be nice and sour by then. So far very bubbly every day towards evening. After 2 weeks of all of this, it is what it is and will be ready to dry for shipping. I have 1 1/2 weeks to go.

When I was learning about sourdough bread, I had a learning curve too, and still I'm learning a lot from others like yourselves. It's really not so hard to learn, but rather (like you said) so many words meaning the same thing. Again depending where you live or what culture you are from. History, seems to be connected to sourdough starters, cultures, barm, sponge...etc.

We want to travel this Fall, and in order to do that, I just can't grow a garden this year. Here in the Pac. NW it takes a long time to grow things and when it is ready to harvest, is then we are ready to travel. Sept. is our harvest month sometimes into Oct. We want to leave this year in Sept.

Yes! Basil to make pesto, tomatoes is so very important when you are a cook, and Bruchetta and Tappendade, sound Oh so wonderful!

I'm going to miss it, because I haven't taken a break from gardening since we moved here, many many years ago. Next year though, will be a big one I suspect:rolleyes:. LOL

Oh My, all three of your breads sound so delicious.

Have a nice evening,

Janie
 
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Janie - Thanks for the additional info and link! I've been reading and reading, staying mostly with starter info and it is beginning to click!

I'll add this link to my increasing list of bread making bookmarks!

Now, it's on to bookmark a conversion chart for metric to US measurements! LOL!

Enjoy your Sunday!
 
Sounds like the three of you are going great gangbusters!

I'm still just using Reinhart's Whole Grain Breads.

Tricia I strongly agree there are just too many variations, and different names for things that sound like the same thing! Oy!

I have my starter down there....it's at Phase 4 as of yesterday but I'm just not sure it's as active as it should be. We had a warm day or two but, overall, it's pretty cool in the house.

I've started stirring it more often. It has expanded somewhat. There are some bubbles.

I see that the Mother Starter wants about 2/3 cup of seed culture and I'm not sure I have that much all together! It seemed dry to me (maybe a result of what I'm keeping it in) so I did add just a little water.

I think I'll do up the Mother Starter tomorrow and just proceed. As I often say...."something will happen".

Janis - DH and I just went out for seeds yesterday - lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, watermelon, canteloupe. We still have peas and beans from last year.

I am so impressed with what you have already done and did have to LOL at how to keep your drying culture out of the hands of the men in your household!

I'll PM you my address.

Janie - thanks for that link. I'm trying to avoid information overload but I will check it out.
 
Just poppng in here to tell you that I have been reading your posts and got so excited that I went out today to get the ingrediants for the pineapple starter!!! mmmmm.. I can't wait! Thanks for the inspiration!!
 
Welcome! The more, the merrier! What area are you in? We're all looking forward to trying starters from all over the country!
 
I am in Florida and was actually thinking about the possibility of using grapefruit juice instead of pineapple juice for the acidic liquid.:D

But right now, I have started with pineapple and organic wholewheat flour and I am really excited!! There are already bubble beginnings. I'll keep you posted!

Beth
 

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