So will you get the shot?

elliemom

Cathlete
Honestly, after 20+ years in Nursing and a husband who sterilizes injectable pharmaceuticals (owns the company) I KNOW FOR A FACT that they LOSE money on INFLUENZA VACCINES. Not all vaccines, INFLUENZA VACCINES

Regarding the additives (adjuncts) in the vaccines, the newer sigle dose vial are made without them. The adjunct used is too enhance the vaccine.

Millions of people around the world recieve MILLIONS of vaccines every single day. That is why certain diseases have been eradicated. Smallpox being a great example. I am sure there were and are risks and side effects but nothing compared to a Pandemic ( GLOBAL) killing people everyday.

My children may have a tissue or organ problem from Polio vaccine in their 50's and 50's but at least they will live past their 5th Birthday.

I just can't buy into the conspiracy theory that the CDC and WHO have agendas for encouraging flu vaccines. It's just preposterous to me. Lobbyists or no lobbyists, I just find that ridiculous.

Please note, I am only attempting to have a discussion/debate re: swine flu and seasonal flu vaccines. I don't want an argument about who said what or how they said it etc.
What you decide to do with you , your family, your children is your decision. And I am not trying to sway anyone in one direction or the other. Just trying to get more people to educate themselves regarding the seriousness of a true Pandemic
 

autumn

Cathlete
Well, I do understand the virulence of the H1N1, and how vaccines, including the H1N1 virus, are developed. I understand the H1N1 vaccine is made EXACTLY the same way as the season flu vaccine, BUT this is NOT evidence the vaccine is safe. Is the H1N1 component safe AND effecive? I educate myself by reading the study results. I do not accept any medication, tx, etc. is safe because anyone tells me it is. When I research meds, tx., etc., I read the medical research. I don't google and say I researched it.

Professionally and personally, I find the CDC to be a reliable source of information. I worked in public health and understand how it works. I am not anti-vaccine, anti-medication, or anti-western medicine. In fact, I received my seasonal flu vaccine and my kiddos have received most of their childhood immunizations. But, I want more info about the H1N1 vaccine before I vax my babies. Once I review the study results, I will look at the risk/benefits and decide.
 
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hiitdogs

Cathlete
Honestly, after 20+ years in Nursing and a husband who sterilizes injectable pharmaceuticals (owns the company) I KNOW FOR A FACT that they LOSE money on INFLUENZA VACCINES. Not all vaccines, INFLUENZA VACCINES

Regarding the additives (adjuncts) in the vaccines, the newer sigle dose vial are made without them. The adjunct used is too enhance the vaccine.

Millions of people around the world recieve MILLIONS of vaccines every single day. That is why certain diseases have been eradicated. Smallpox being a great example. I am sure there were and are risks and side effects but nothing compared to a Pandemic ( GLOBAL) killing people everyday.

My children may have a tissue or organ problem from Polio vaccine in their 50's and 50's but at least they will live past their 5th Birthday.

I just can't buy into the conspiracy theory that the CDC and WHO have agendas for encouraging flu vaccines. It's just preposterous to me. Lobbyists or no lobbyists, I just find that ridiculous.

Please note, I am only attempting to have a discussion/debate re: swine flu and seasonal flu vaccines. I don't want an argument about who said what or how they said it etc.
What you decide to do with you , your family, your children is your decision. And I am not trying to sway anyone in one direction or the other. Just trying to get more people to educate themselves regarding the seriousness of a true Pandemic

I used to work for the pharmaceutical industry first as an intern and then in their marketing department, I know about financial considerations and how marketing in drug companies is done.

I know for a fact that they make billions on the flu vaccine, not only on the actual sales but the sale of flu related products (diagnostic kits, Tylenol/Ibuprofen, Tamiflu, Relenza ....) most importantly on the rise of their stock prices. A rise of mere 20 cents of one share means millions if not billions of $$ in additional money for the drug company.

Company revenue is not only made on actual sales but depends to a great deal on their stock and Wall Street expectations. The prospect of a swine flu pandemic has send drug company stock prices soaring. I leave it up to the individual to decide who benefits from the disease mongering and putting the fear of a pandemic in people's minds.

As to kids will at least live past their 5th birthday. How do you know that? And that's my point. The majority of people will only develop mild symptoms, the greatest majority will NOT die. And since there have been no completed clinical studies about the effects of the vaccine. I think it is a matter of looking at the odds. What are the odds that a child will die from contracting H1N1? What if the child would have not died from the disease but now has life-long restrictions as a reaction to the vaccine? Maybe at 6, maybe at 16, maybe at 46. None of us knows that.

It is my understanding that the H1N1 vaccine as per their patent uses African Green Monkeys to grow the virus strain, the monkeys then are killed and their organs used to make the vaccine. A similar process was used in the deadly polio vaccination because of a virus in the monkey that was only detected much later that caused cancer in the people who received the vaccine.

It may be ridiculous and preposterous to you, Ellie but it is an unfortunate way that the world is ruled by money. Baxter and Novartis executives sit on a key vaccine advisory board of WHO that recommended to WHO mass global vaccinations in response to the “swine flu”. People can make up their own mind about what incentive Baxter and Novartis executives have to push vaccinations.

Vaccines are NOT 100 % effective. People (and pets) do get the disease that they have been vaccinated for. 1000s of people get the flu every year despite of having been vaccinated, in some cases it is even worse. The point is that the existence of antibodies in our bodies does not guarantee immunity. That together with the fact that viruses mutate and rendering the vaccine pretty useless.
 

BAM

Cathlete
I saw this too and posted it Friday :) along with the link to the clinical trials link - which allows you to check on the status of various clinical trials. Interesting read... especially if it is true.

Oops, sorry for the duplication and for the additional link. I guess we all want this info out there for people to read.

Bam
 

autumn

Cathlete
Oops, sorry for the duplication and for the additional link. I guess we all want this info out there for people to read.

Bam

I don't care you dup'd me. ;) Maybe it is the great mind thing? Or all that Vitamin D we take? :D You are right, we just want to share as much info as we have so each of us can make an informed decision... whatever the decision is. :)
 

BAM

Cathlete
I don't care you dup'd me. ;) Maybe it is the great mind thing? Or all that Vitamin D we take? :D You are right, we just want to share as much info as we have so each of us can make an informed decision... whatever the decision is. :)

Ha, well maybe I need more vitamin D or gingko. I meant to say sorry for the duplication and "thank you" for the additional link. I don't need a swine flu vaccination, I need a mind boo boo vaccination. Now THAT I would support. (Without side effects of course. Um, unless they are pleasurable. Yikes! My mind is going in depraved directions! :p)

Bam
 

elliemom

Cathlete
Thank you!!!!!!!!

Everyone should read the article. Everyone should NOT rely on Bill Maher to "educate" us on medicine
 

MAYNARDSMOM

Cathlete
My entire family is getting our flu shot htis year - not someting we normally do. As for the H1N1 - no thanks. To new for me. Maybe some other year.
 

hiitdogs

Cathlete
No, we definitely shouldn't listen to Bill Maher. We should just check out our common sense at the door and just listen to the people that are paid by drug companies.

The article is written by Harriet Hall, a contributing member and advisor to Quackwatch, an organisation with extensive ties to drug companies. Whereas I don't give much credibility to Bill Maher when it comes to my health care choices, at least he asks common sense questions.

Doing things contrary to nature is a good thing? Ummmh, yeah! Right! :rolleyes:
 
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dorothyrd

Cathlete
It appears that around here, the kids are all getting this before the vaccine is available because of hold-ups with the vaccine.
 

hiitdogs

Cathlete
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/10/21/DI2009102102470.html

This article is written by someone who SHOULD be writing the articles and answering the questions. Not entertainers, conspiracy nuts or lay people. I would love to hear who's paying this man to "scare" us.

I don't know if you are referring to me as a conspiracy nut. If that is the case I can assure you it is uncalled for. You are a health professional and I respect that but with all due respect you have no idea how the pharma industry works, how "scientific research" is skewed and manipulated to achieve the wanted outcome and how researchers / doctors who don't come up with the "right" outcome are discredited and almost driven into ruin.
You may know how to give injections and put in IVs, I don't. But you have not worked for the pharma industry. I have and I know how doctors are being paid as "consultants", used to discredit their colleagues who dare to ask questions. Those perks are pretty extensive. I also know doctors are being blacklisted and discredited if they dare to talk against any of the drug company's products. That has nothing to do with conspiracy theory, it has something to do with "follow the money".

There are other experts who contradict what your expert is saying. Dr. Kent Holtorf is a Infectious Disease Specialist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1z7KSEnyxw&NR=1

I just want to know where the "good science" is. I have not seen any double-blind, placebo controlled studies. NONE!!

I may not be a trained medical professional with a degree but I have probably read more research and actual studies than many of the experts. It seems to me that many medical professionals check out their common sense at the door and don't ask questions anymore. And lets not forget all those "experts" who sang the high praises of Vioxx and other deadly medications, dismissing early reports of problems and questions. And we also had the medical profession proclaim blood letting and treatment with mercury as state-of-the-art treatment at some point and poo-poohed those people who dared to ask questions.

But the real question for me is: If those flu vaccinations are working so darn well why do so many people contract the flu? I guess the standard response for that is that the flu symptoms would have been worse without the vaccine. I just want to know how the heck doctors have the nerve to proclaim this! How would they know?

If like all the experts are saying 99 % of the people who contract H1N1 will be fine. Then how is it justified to expose so many people to a vaccine that may not be working at all and has - as even the experts admit - the potential for serious side effects. I don't need to be an expert to understand that there is something seriously off.
 
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BAM

Cathlete
Carola, I've been reading your posts on this thread (and others) and may I say that you articulate beautifully so many of the things that I think and believe as well. I just wish I could express them like you. Let me just say..........I think I love you!!!!!! :D

Bam
 

BAM

Cathlete
More frustrating info on how Dr. Weil is being threatened with arrest and prosecution over his statements about the herb astragalus being an immune booster and thus helping protect you from the swine flu. There's also another article about the profits behind the vaccine. This stuff just goes on and on and on and on............................................!!!! :)

Bam



Dear NaturalNews readers,

NaturalNews Tip of the day (from Mike):

If a doctor (or a friend) tries to push a flu vaccine on you, ask them this one simple question: "Do you think there have been any placebo-controlled studies that prove flu vaccines actually work?" Your doctor will, of course, say, "Sure there are. There must be." You then answer, "I'll bet you my flu shot against your hundred dollars that you can't cite even one such study." After a few days of being scoffed at while they try to dig up a study that doesn't exist, you'll walk away $100 richer. (Remember, the study has to be a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial on the efficacy of the flu shot. Such studies have never been done!)


In their latest example of tyranny and intimidation, the FTC and FDA have teamed up to threaten Dr. Andrew Weil with criminal arrest and prosecution over his true statements about an immune boosting formula containing astragalus (an herb that can help protect you against the swine flu).



The FTC, it seems, cannot tolerate true statements about botany. Read more details about the terrorizing of Dr. Weil here:

http://www.naturalnews.com/027303_the_FTC_America_vaccines.html



Dr. Weil, by the way, is right about astragalus. Here's a large collection of supporting statements about astragalus and the flu from a variety of health experts:

http://www.naturalnews.com/027302_astragalus_the_flu.html



Also today, Evelyn Pringle turns in another take-no-prisoners article detailing the morbid profit motive behind today's vaccine push:

http://www.naturalnews.com/027301_swine_flu_influenza_pandemic.html
 

elliemom

Cathlete
Carola, I think you know that if I were going to call you a conspiracy nut, I would have called YOU a conspiracy nut specifically.
Secondly. I think you would know that I would never call someone personally a name. So no, that comment wasn't directed at you.
Thirdly, YES I HAVE worked in the pharma industry, maybe in a different capacity than you, but I am in it EVERYDAY. Yup, even today. So I am not just using my nursing history as reference here.

Finally, I am all for natural and homepathic remedies and doctors. And I do like to think outside the box. I am not saying that all medical or pharma experts are 100% the ONLY people to listen to. Not by a long shot.

BUT......... why do chidren who have not had the MMR have Autism?? Where are all the people saying that 100% the MMR is the reason behind autism? when a large number of no vaccine children still have it???
 

hiitdogs

Cathlete
BUT......... why do chidren who have not had the MMR have Autism?? Where are all the people saying that 100% the MMR is the reason behind autism? when a large number of no vaccine children still have it???

If we were to go by your logic: a large number of people who don't smoke have lung cancer, does that mean that smoking doesn't contribute to lung cancer?

As I am sure you know autism is a neurological disorder, I don't think there is any doubt that some of the ingredients in vaccines, particularly the MMR vaccine effect the nervous system for people who are predisposed. By the other token, just because people don't show any symptoms doesn't mean that they are not affected. It may just show in a different disease or it may not show at all. Not everyone who smokes develops lung cancer, not everyone who drinks alcohol excessively will need a liver transplant. People are different and will react differently to different environmental hazards. Just because not everyone drops dead doesn't mean it is safe. But it is a something that our current Western Medicine does not take into consideration or will even acknowledge.

Just on a side note, during the first 6 months of their lives children receive 187.5 micrograms of mercury if their parents adhere to the pediatrician recommended vaccination schedule which is far above what the EPA considers safe. Here we are being told when we are pregnant that we shouldn't eat fish and shellfish but we put dangerously high levels of mercury in young childrens bodies. Autism is on the raise, childhood cancer is on the raise, other diseases are on the raise and I am supposed to believe all of this is a coincidence?

Is there any conclusive proof that mercury causes this? No, of course not! But where I stand, I think we should be a little more proactive about that. Why do we have to proof that it is harmful, the way it should be in my mind is that manufacturers (not only drugs) should have the burden of proof that it is in fact safe over the long term. The apparent attitude of many in the medical community of well, the majority of people don't drop dead when they ingest it must mean that it is safe is just not good enough for me.
I believe in prevention because prevention is much easier than curing any disease or disorder. Of course, this kind of attitude threatens the income of a whole sector of our economy and thus is not very popular.
 
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