Questions for Lift, Move & Restore 2 Elevated - Questions??

[Debinmi]

An intermediate workout is easier to elevate to more advanced than a beginner workout is (and easy to modify to more beginner-friendly). Yesterday I gave the LMR Barre Fusion workout another chance with increasing the weights (again!) for upper body. In LITE & ICE if I increased by 5#, it really elevated the workout. In LMR, a 5# increase didn't cut it ... even a 8 -15# increase was not enough at times, and as Cathe often says if you don't have a challenging weight you are wasting your time. I ended the workout with the feeling this was a "why bother" type of workout. So disappointing because I love Bootcamp- ish types of workouts - I usually feel worked and accomplished - not so with this one.

So I'm concerned LMR2 is going to have more "why bother" workouts. I would like some more details, please.

 

[owhynot]

Well, I guess I am the “oddball” here, , but personally I was satisfied with LMR and
it’s intensity and personally hope these are not “fully elevated”...and agreed on the
above, low impact….as far as how heavy the weights will be or not be, I will use the
weights I want & not care a bit…Cathe said something in a recent Live that has stuck
with me…”You do you & I’ll do me!” With aging, back, hip, knee flareups, more often
than I like, I know what I can & cannot do, modify if I need to and enjoy it most of the
time.

I did preorder today, but feel that more info on these should be given before presale
ends.

You are not alone - I'm with you - was happy with this series and modify to make them work for me. I'm unable to do the total body workout since I don't like compound moves. I do lower body with no weights. Cardio is no impact for me, if I want to walk pain free. Now I have to work on the hips and lower back to be pain free.

I did order the first or second day.

 

[marret]

An intermediate workout is easier to elevate to more advanced than a beginner workout is (and easy to modify to more beginner-friendly). Yesterday I gave the LMR Barre Fusion workout another chance with increasing the weights (again!) for upper body. In LITE & ICE if I increased by 5#, it really elevated the workout. In LMR, a 5# increase didn't cut it ... even a 8 -15# increase was not enough at times, and as Cathe often says if you don't have a challenging weight you are wasting your time. I ended the workout with the feeling this was a "why bother" type of workout. So disappointing because I love Bootcamp- ish types of workouts - I usually feel worked and accomplished - not so with this one.

So I'm concerned LMR2 is going to have more "why bother" workouts. I would like some more details, please.

I totally agree with these statements. Increasing or decreasing weights to get more of a challenge or a better workout is possible when the change in weight is not as dramatic as it needs to be in LMR functional weight workouts, and I am not even an advanced level exerciser.

 

[Debinmi]

Just to be clear ... I don't consider myself to be an advanced exerciser altho I mostly do Cathe workouts. And I don't put down beginner-friendly workouts as there is a time and place for everything. Years ago when Cathe did the pre-sales for the Beginner Step & Body Fusion and the Intermediate Step workouts - I bought even though I was a regular stepper who loved complex choreography and more intensity. I knew what I was purchasing and was not surprised nor disappointed because they were advertised as being what they were - beginner & intermediate. I seldom did them but was glad to have them when recovering from injury or illness. I'd like to know the level of intensity for LMR2 so there are no surprises and no disappointment. It would also be nice if they were easier to modify up or down.

 

[marret]

Just to be clear ... I don't consider myself to be an advanced exerciser altho I mostly do Cathe workouts. And I don't put down beginner-friendly workouts as there is a time and place for everything. Years ago when Cathe did the pre-sales for the Beginner Step & Body Fusion and the Intermediate Step workouts - I bought even though I was a regular stepper who loved complex choreography and more intensity. I knew what I was purchasing and was not surprised nor disappointed because they were advertised as being what they were - beginner & intermediate. I seldom did them but was glad to have them when recovering from injury or illness. I'd like to know the level of intensity for LMR2 so there's no surprises and no disappointment. It would also be nice if they were easier to modify up or down.

This sums things up nicely. Please Cathe will you address our questions?

 

[Kellyro77]

I agree that the challenge level is not there with LMR - at least most of the workouts. They are VERY beginner-oriented - or - "active aging" perhaps (depending on how you'd define that, though! Like, I feel like my senior parents who've never really been extremely active people would find these workouts challenging.)

And you're right - I do recall her saying somewhere that these would be challenging and not easy. I guess it depends on the audience she's was intending to give that message to? Doesn't quite seem to be her veteran Cath-letes.

I tried out the 8-week rotation to get a good taste of the workouts, and honestly I stopped about 5 weeks in because I was feeling like I was't really doing too much to challenge myself.

I appreciated the workouts, too, though, because I was also coming off a long time-frame of varied inactivity (blaming my tennis elbow for it, but also stress and depression.) So they were good to get me back in the saddle, but definitely not challenging enough to warrant a full 8 weeks dedicated to it.

I'm now doing her LMR/STS 2 rotation, which I feel is still a tad "light", but it's helping me ramp back up to prepare to do a 12-week modified XTrain workout (modified meaning I'm going to be replacing a lot of the cardio with other kickboxing workouts, as well as some steady-state because I get real tired of constant HiiT).

In the current LMR/STS 2 rotation, I'm really enjoying my full body workout days from STS 2, for example. My heart gets up there and I also feel accomplished hefting those heavy weights.

LMR isn't terrible, either - like, I did the bonus lower body foam roller workout a couple days ago and those hamstring bridges on the roller still have my hamstrings barking two days later. And when I up my weights, I do manage to elevate my heart rate with the Lower Body workout and the Total Body workout. But yes, other workouts like Barre, Pilates, Mobility, Upper Body, and Yoga are all very low-intensity. They're more of a "I moved my muscles a little bit today, instead of sitting on the couch" kind of feeling of "accomplishment"

I really wish she'd do a full body balance disc workout. While not heart-pounding, they are VERY challenging with keeping balance. I'm noticing my right leg is doing much better with balance, for instance, after doing several of the lower body balance disc bonuses.

Anyway - yes, hope Cathe can maybe give us a comparison for the new series...

IE, this will be challenging similar to LITE or ICE or XTrain (doubt it would be XTrain, though.)

 

[Debinmi]

I'm now doing her LMR/STS 2 rotation, which I feel is still a tad "light",

Thanks for sharing that ... I was considering that rotation but bought a bunch of LIVES in the recent sale and have planned a rotation with those for April. I think I'll not do the LMR/STS2 afterwards afterall, and cook something else up with STS2.0 for May/June.

 

[fitdeb]

I agree. I think LMR was over-promoted as a challenging program. It is perfect for newer-to-exercise users. Cathe does a great job in explaining the exercises, although I wish she would have talked less in the Restorative Yoga Workout which is pretty much the only w/o I am using.

While adding poundage can definitely make moves harder doing so often makes moves unsafe, so you are stuck in the dilemma of keeping Cathe's speed with lighter weights or slowing down and doing less reps with weights that are challenging and if you do that at what point are you even doing the workout with her?

I wanted LMR to be more movement, more stretching, more complicated balance moves.

I hope we can get more info on what to expect with LMR2. That being said I have preordered, but I hope that when I received LMR2 it doesn't join LMR on the maybe later shelf.

 

[Debinmi]

While adding poundage can definitely make moves harder doing so often makes moves unsafe, so you are stuck in the dilemma of keeping Cathe's speed with lighter weights or slowing down and doing less reps with weights that are challenging and if you do that at what point are you even doing the workout with her?

I found this to true with ICE & LITE - if I increase the weights too much at the taped speed, it's not safe. So there are definite limitations in upping the intensity by increasing the poundage used in a workout. And too many modifications or substitions defeats the intent of purchasing a "follow-along" workout.

While Cathe (or any instructor) can't please everyone with a workout series, I'd like "truth in advertising" (so-to-speak) and not have it over-promoted as challenging for the average, veteran Cathlete if it's not. I may still purchase at the pre-sale price for the "maybe later" shelf too, but I'd rather know in advance rather than discover the lowered intensity level afterwards - that's disappointing.

 

[vivbc]

I understand “you do you” but the question very much is, “can I do me with this series?” The breaks in LMR are too long. Yes, I can modify adding weight and repetitions, but I can also reach for a series I have that allows me to follow along without having to think a lot. I am tempted by the cardio and the additional heavy weight workouts. but i would very much appreciate a better idea of the intensity of the functional workouts.

 

[ChelePA]

I understand “you do you” but the question very much is, “can I do me with this series?” The breaks in LMR are too long. Yes, I can modify adding weight and repetitions, but I can also reach for a series I have that allows me to follow along without having to think a lot. I am tempted by the cardio and the additional heavy weight workouts. but i would very much appreciate a better idea of the intensity of the functional workouts.

This sums it up for me too.

 

[Debinmi]

This sums it up for me too.

Me too!

 

[Hazlady]

Well, I guess I am the “oddball” here, , but personally I was satisfied with LMR and
it’s intensity and personally hope these are not “fully elevated”...and agreed on the
above, low impact….as far as how heavy the weights will be or not be, I will use the
weights I want & not care a bit…Cathe said something in a recent Live that has stuck
with me…”You do you & I’ll do me!” With aging, back, hip, knee flareups, more often
than I like, I know what I can & cannot do, modify if I need to and enjoy it most of the
time.

I also like LMR and the level of intensity. I agree some of the workouts are a bit easier than expected but there are some moves in the bonus workouts that I either really struggle with or can't do at all, e.g. the single leg roll up and tap downs in the Core bonus. I also find a lot of the Mobility and Yoga style workouts really get me in my wrists. I've been doing a lot of sanding and painting work on my house recently and my hands have been quite sore, so I've appreciated the lighter weight work in these workouts.

 

[Lannette]

I’m not sure that this will make sense. I don’t actually see LMR as a system that I need to make more difficult. I’m not saying that anyone doesn’t have a right to a different opinion so I hope you’ll allow me to express mine.

For me Functional Fitness is more of a different Exercise Genre all together so I don’t personally try to make it anything but a Functional Exercise System. I wouldn’t try to make Cardio into Heavy Weight Training or make Heavy Weight Training into Cardio. I allow whichever Genre I’m working do what it’s designed to do. To me, Functional Fitness is different than those genres.

I’ve seen less educated and experienced YouTube instructors make Functional Fitness Exercises like Mobility killer tough. They speed them up, they add in endless planks and push up variations and IMHO totally miss the mark.

LMR has been pretty transformational for me but I did Cathe’s 8 week Rotation as written. I also did the LMR/Lite 4 Week Rotation, though I did use Pre-mixes and add Barre to week 4. Tomorrow I begin LMR/ICE. I’m looking for additional strength, endurance, mobility and better dynamic balance.

My current avatar is my 12 week after that shows how my 69 year old glutes lifted, abs flattened and thighs thinned down. (2 pants sizes down.) Many people say that they don’t look for aesthetic results but these aesthetics are actually side effects of the strength, balance and an improvement in my alignment related previous injuries that were my primary goals. I can now stand on one leg, then the other while putting on a pair of NoGA pants or skinny jeans. No holding on at all.

I’d be curious to know how many people who feel LMR is too easy actually completed one of Cathe’s rotations.

 

[aqua girl]

also find a lot of the Mobility and Yoga style workouts really get me in my wrists.

whoops, I forgot about my wrists! Same here…

 

[Debinmi]

I think it may just be different strokes for different folks. I did attempt to follow a LMR rotation but often had that "why bother" feeling as it felt like it was just movement, not something to improve my fitness. After a month+, I was reaching for other workouts. I appreciated the balance challenges, the mobility work, some of the functional weight training, but I just cannot do this series for an 8 week or longer rotation. My fitness level would regress, not progress. For me, these workouts will be primarily add-ons (thanks to timesavers!) or for recovery. Maybe someday it will be more appropriate from me. It's great LMR hit the mark for some Cathletes, but it did not for me.

I think it might be the same for me if Cathe said she was going to do a RWH2.0 Elevated with all plyometrics, power lifting and full hour or longer workouts - just not my cup of tea at this stage of my life.

 

[nickisteen]

I've enjoyed the LMR series for lighter workouts or when I have a body part that hurts, and I want to take it easy.
I'm hoping the new series will have more intensity!!

 

[aqua girl]

I think in LMR, the instruction & explanations took longer than necessary, but then again,
maybe not for a brand new exerciser, & Cathe does try to cater to any & all. I think the
weighted workouts in the series were fun & as far as the others, ex: mobility, Pilates,
yoga, some of the stuff I liked & some I skip over…personally, I didn’t care for the core
workout, as a whole, & have noticed that so many liked it, so, yes, different strokes
for different folks. . I know I am overjoyed when I can do an exercise exactly the way
she’s doing it. And I did appreciate shorter reps… I’d rather do 8-12 good, than 18-24
getting sloppy as I go.

 

[Lannette]

I think it may just be different strokes for different folks. I did attempt to follow a LMR rotation but often had that "why bother" feeling as it felt like it was just movement, not something to improve my fitness. After a month+, I was reaching for other workouts. I appreciated the balance challenges, the mobility work, some of the functional weight training, but I just cannot do this series for an 8 week or longer rotation. My fitness level would regress, not progress. For me, these workouts will be primarily add-ons (thanks to timesavers!) or for recovery. Maybe someday it will be more appropriate from me. It's great LMR hit the mark for some Cathletes, but it did not for me.

I think it might be the same for me if Cathe said she was going to do a RWH2.0 Elevated with all plyometrics, power lifting and full hour or longer workouts - just not my cup of tea at this stage of my life.

That’s a shame but I understand.

 

[nckfitheart2009]

I've enjoyed the LMR series for lighter workouts or when I have a body part that hurts, and I want to take it easy.
I'm hoping the new series will have more intensity!!

I too enjoyed LMR series. I tried it just matching crew and cathe weight and I was fine. The balance, coordination working unilaterally did definetely add a challenge. I truly thought hmm hoped Cathe released such workout earlier. I needed it when I had an injury on my left shoulder. At that point I did found physiotherapy really boring and just wanted my workout. It was mentally draining to put my weight load to rest for a while! All this is just to to sum up: LMR has it's own purpose and place.
That being said I am among those who just buy any cathe offering I am happy with that!
Cathe is known for being INTENSE. Yes, that is what some of us are accustomed to and aging will not change that! Bring it on!#INTENSITY