(Please don't flame me) Question on the health ins

double t said:
Iraq was a haven for terrorist training camps. Also, Bush had 75% of the American people behind invading Iraq. How many Americans want this healthcare thing again? 25%? Just sayin...
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Bush lied plain and simple. He tried to tell us Iraq attacked us. Lie. Bush told us Iraq had nuclear weapons and planned to attack us. Lie. He told us Iraq wouldn't allow inspectors in to inspect. Lie. Bush implied over and over that we would die if we didn't take them out I guess it's reasonable for people to want Iraq stopped. Citing polls that were influenced by Bush's lies is quite a stretch.
 
BuffyR said:
Bush lied plain and simple. He tried to tell us Iraq attacked us. Lie. Bush told us Iraq had nuclear weapons and planned to attack us. Lie. He told us Iraq wouldn't allow inspectors in to inspect. Lie. Bush implied over and over that we would die if we didn't take them out I guess it's reasonable for people to want Iraq stopped. Citing polls that were influenced by Bush's lies is quite a stretch.
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What proof do you have?
 
dorothyrd said:
BTW, Obama was for partial birth abortion when he was in Illinois.
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He only wanted a provision to protect the health of the mother, I believe.


Ok for state to restrict late-term partial birth abortion

"On an issue like partial birth abortion, I strongly believe that the state can properly restrict late-term abortions. I have said so repeatedly. All I’ve said is we should have a provision to protect the health of the mother, and many of the bills that came before me didn’t have that.

Part of the reason they didn’t have it was purposeful, because those who are opposed to abortion have a moral calling to try to oppose what they think is immoral. Oftentimes what they were trying to do was to polarize the debate and make it more difficult for people, so that they could try to bring an end to abortions overall.

As president, my goal is to bring people together, to listen to them, and I don’t think there's any Republican out there who I’ve worked with who would say that I don’t listen to them, I don’t respect their ideas, I don’t understand their perspective. And my goal is to get us out of this polarizing debate where we’re always trying to score cheap political points and actually get things done."
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morningstar said:
Your auto insurance protects other people from your driving mistakes. Health insurance only covers you and you can choose whether or not you want that protection. If you want to die horribly because you don't have health insurance to cover medical treatment, that's your choice. You don't get to choose whether someone else dies horribly because you plow into them with your car and you don't have auto insurance to pay for their medical treatment.
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PERFECTLY SAID! Thank you!
 
dorothyrd said:
What proof do you have?
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Proof? Are you seriously questioning whether Iraq attacked us? It is well known and conceded by Bush they did not. Were there nuclear weapons in Iraq? It is well documented that there were none. Joe Wilson exposes the fact that there were no nucs and his wife was outed as a CIA agent to try and discredit him.
 
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BuffyR said:
Proof? Are you seriously questioning whether Iraq attacked us? It is well known and conceded by Bush they did not. Were there nuclear weapons in Iraq? It is well documented that there were none. Joe Wilson exposes the fact that there were no nucs and his wife was outed as a CIA agent to try and discredit him.
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I don't remember Bush telling us that they attacked us. You said he lied about that, when he did not say that. I remember there being British Intel saying there was weapons of mass destruction and that intel was taken to congress where they voted to go into Iraq. All this other crap you are saying he said, is just that crap! And yes, they went in and the intel was wrong. I think Bush believed the Intel, and yes wanted to get rid of a cruel dictator that he believed was a threat to our national security. The rest of the stuff you are saying and all the left are saying is a bunch of hooey.
 
dorothyrd said:
I don't remember Bush telling us that they attacked us. You said he lied about that, when he did not say that. I remember there being British Intel saying there was weapons of mass destruction and that intel was taken to congress where they voted to go into Iraq. All this other crap you are saying he said, is just that crap! And yes, they went in and the intel was wrong. I think Bush believed the Intel, and yes wanted to get rid of a cruel dictator that he believed was a threat to our national security. The rest of the stuff you are saying and all the left are saying is a bunch of hooey.
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Bush was very crafty in his language. You can go back and listen to his various speeches and he always linked 9/11 and Sadam Hussien. Maybe he didn't say so explicitly but he deliberately wanted us to believe it was true. If the intel was wrong then why did Bush and his cronies try to discredit Joe Wilson when he told them the intel was wrong? Why did Scotter Libby lie about the outing of Joe Wilson's wife to protect Cheney and was convicted for that lie?

You may believe Sadam Hussien was a threat to our security but that belief doesn't make it so. He had no WMD's and Bush knew it. There were inspectors on the ground who were forced to leave Iraq so the invasion could start. Facts are facts.
 
Thank you Dorothy. :)

Yeah, Bush never said Iraq attacked us as far as I know. If you have something that shows him saying it, then I'd be interested.
 
double t said:
Iraq was a haven for terrorist training camps. Also, Bush had 75% of the American people behind invading Iraq. How many Americans want this healthcare thing again? 25%? Just sayin...
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Iraq did not become the haven for terrorists until AFTER we attacked them. Bush only had the support of the American people to invade Iraq because he LIED about the weapons. And yes, he LIED ... probably because he knew that saying, "Hey yall, I'm going to invade Iraq because there's a s***load of oil there" wouldn't fly. I don't know where you get your 25 percent number, Fox News, maybe? The fact is it is law now. And I find it quite refreshing for once to have a president pass a bill of which I am proud. I wish everyone would accept it now and move on. Those who opposed it lost. They need to quit their whining and now educate themselves and learn the finer points of the bill that will affect them. For eight very very long years, I was extremely unhappy with most policy that came out of the White House. Finally change came. I hope this is just the beginning of much more progress to come to our Bush-crippled country.
 
Thank you DOROTHY ! Amen........to ALL you have said. I am soo tired of people that are strictly uninformed and get al their information from ABC,CBS.NBC, MSNBC and beyond.

Knowledge is Power Get informed people!

DID YOU KNOW : Fidel Castro approves of the Health Care Bill and congratulated Obama on getting this bil passed, does it give you warm fuzzies or chills?
 
Stephanie0523 said:
Iraq did not become the haven for terrorists until AFTER we attacked them. Bush only had the support of the American people to invade Iraq because he LIED about the weapons. And yes, he LIED ... probably because he knew that saying, "Hey yall, I'm going to invade Iraq because there's a s***load of oil there" wouldn't fly. I don't know where you get your 25 percent number, Fox News, maybe? The fact is it is law now. And I find it quite refreshing for once to have a president pass a bill of which I am proud. I wish everyone would accept it now and move on. Those who opposed it lost. They need to quit their whining and now educate themselves and learn the finer points of the bill that will affect them. For eight very very long years, I was extremely unhappy with most policy that came out of the White House. Finally change came. I hope this is just the beginning of much more progress to come to our Bush-crippled country.
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Well said.
 
amsterjo said:
Thank you DOROTHY ! Amen........to ALL you have said. I am soo tired of people that are strictly uninformed and get al their information from ABC,CBS.NBC, MSNBC and beyond.

Knowledge is Power Get informed people!

DID YOU KNOW : Fidel Castro approves of the Health Care Bill and congratulated Obama on getting this bil passed, does it give you warm fuzzies or chills?[/

how is that relevant
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amsterjo said:
Thank you DOROTHY ! Amen........to ALL you have said. I am soo tired of people that are strictly uninformed and get al their information from ABC,CBS.NBC, MSNBC and beyond.

Knowledge is Power Get informed people!

DID YOU KNOW : Fidel Castro approves of the Health Care Bill and congratulated Obama on getting this bil passed, does it give you warm fuzzies or chills?
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So those who don't agree with you are ill-informed? I don't want to keep debating (though I love to debate politics) because I don't want things to get too heated, and I have a habit of staying on my soapbox too long. But I just had to defend myself. I'm not ill informed.

And the Fox News Castro reference is laughable. Apparently the socialism argument must have gotten old so they are now implying Obama is communist. Wow. Talk about ill-informed.
 
These are the quotes I remember, and fact check does a nice job debunking. To lie you have to KNOW you were wrong. I remember Bush being adament because he believed the intel, and obviously congress did too. The Liberals make him out to be a war monger, but his country was attacked when he was the President, and he was doing what he thought was best with the intel he was given. In know way shape or form would he have put our miltary into Iraq if he did not believe Iraq was a danger to our nation. It really is not that hard to find out what was really said, and what context.

http://www.factcheck.org/article349.html

I got sent a youtube line today that has scary music and all kinds of awful things that will happen to you because of the health care bill. It sites pages from the bill, which I cross referenced, and found things taken way out of context. So while I dislike parts of this bill, I dislike more misinformation being spread. That includes Bush, and that includes this bill.
 
I read that about Castro today on CNN's site, and then Castro proceeded to rip Obama to shreds on other things. Of course his country is having tremendous financial difficulty as well.
 
just makes you warm and Fuzzy.........

Havana - Historic Cuban leader Fidel Castro saluted the US health care reform promoted by US President Barack Obama, and described its approval as a "success" - if a somewhat belated one.

In an article under Castro's name that Cuban state media published Thursday, the elderly communist leader said the political wrangling that preceded the approval of the bill late Sunday in the House of Representatives was "an important battle."

However, Castro, 83, under whose leadership Cuba lays claim to having developed a model system for training doctors and delivering health care to all, chided the United States for taking so long to get around to it.

"It seems like something really unheard of that (the US) government has approved medical attention for the immense majority of its citizens 234 years after the declaration of independence, in Philadelphia in the year 1776," Castro said.

Cuba already reached that feat "half-a-century ago despite the cruel and inhumane blockade that is still in place and was imposed on it by the most powerful country there ever was," he added.

Not one to deliver unqualified praise of the US, Castro used the opportunity to up the stakes. He called for the US to pay attention to climate change and reform its immigration rules.

Obama was "an unquestionably intelligent and sufficiently well-informed person," Castro wrote. But the US leader also needed to "see how far his country is from the model it preaches for humanity."

Castro did not mention the comments that Obama made Wednesday, describing the Cuban government's recent actions against political dissidents as "deeply disturbing."

"Today, I join my voice with brave individuals across Cuba and a growing chorus around the world in calling for an end to the repression, for the immediate, unconditional release of all political prisoners in Cuba, and for respect for the basic rights of the Cuban people," Obama said.

Read more: http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/...lth-care-reform-as-success.html#ixzz0jEiu1BEJ
 
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