No soreness with week 1 of Meso 1..

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except for legs:eek:. Is it normal not to have soreness after doing the upper body at 60% of the 1rm? I know that I feel it during the exercises, but I am not at all sore afterwards. I am currently doing the 6month rotation, so I will be repeating week one starting Friday, maybe I'll be sore than since I am some what familar with the workout itself. Just wondering if no soreness is normal? Thanks, Veronica
 
except for legs:eek:. Is it normal not to have soreness after doing the upper body at 60% of the 1rm? I know that I feel it during the exercises, but I am not at all sore afterwards. I am currently doing the 6month rotation, so I will be repeating week one starting Friday, maybe I'll be sore than since I am some what familar with the workout itself. Just wondering if no soreness is normal? Thanks, Veronica

If you've been exercising regularly, it's not uncommon to not have soreness. When I'm in shape, I almost never get sore.
 
Veronica, I was just going to post this exact same thing. I did Disc 1 last night (loved it!) and definitely felt it during the workouts. Although there were a couple of exercises I will go a couple pounds heavier on next time, I felt I was spot on with most of the exercises. If I had tried any heavier, I would not have been able to do the exercises. I felt I got a really good workout during and after the workout. Yet, I'm not sore today, nor did I feel I couldn't move my arms last night. Although, the first mesocycle is about endurance, so I think the soreness would be least likely on this mesocycle anyway. 2 and 3 should be another story. I will say, however, that I am sure I will be super sore with Legs, as that is my weak spot.
 
Congratulations on no soreness on upper body!!! I agree that it's not uncommon to not have soreness if you have been working out with heavy weights pretty consistently.

Legs are my weak spot too (completely my own doing as I don't really work them because I don't want to be sore for my cardio days since I bike). I was sore from doing 1RM tests for only 2-3 legs exercises (okay I'm STILL sore in my quads and I did the tests on Monday... I think it was the lunges with the bag leg up on the step... I will likely still be sore on Friday too!).
 
exactly...

Ny25, I felt the same way you did about going heavier and not being able to complete the exercise! I am also thinking meso cycle 1 is not necessarliy going to make you sore, especially since I have been exercising constantly for about 3 months. I just assumed because this series is different than any other exercise that I have done, that I would automatically be sore, at least a little bit. Not that I am happy to be sore, but sometimes I want to feel as if I am acomplising something, in which soreness is proof that my body is responding to changes.

I don't know, maybe during the meso 2 and 3 cycles, I'll experience soreness. By than, I'll be complaining (in a good way) or cussing as I'm walking or lifting my arms:D

I hope this makes sense, Veronica

Btw, legs are my weakness, I get sore in my legs just thinking about leg exercises...
 
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I do have stiffness at least, so that counts. I sit at a desk all day, so maybe I'll be sore later.
 
except for legs:eek:. Is it normal not to have soreness after doing the upper body at 60% of the 1rm? I know that I feel it during the exercises, but I am not at all sore afterwards. I am currently doing the 6month rotation, so I will be repeating week one starting Friday, maybe I'll be sore than since I am some what familar with the workout itself. Just wondering if no soreness is normal? Thanks, Veronica
Veronica...I too think you should take the focus off of soreness & DOMS and stay committed in week 2 to being at absolute max by the last rep in every exercise. I definitely have to load up the weight on some but I know that means that by the end of the workout I may be lowering a bit.
I think this is the real jewel in doing the 6 month, dont you? I get to make sure I am absolutely maxed out next week for round 2!

I am sore this week but I havent done endurance work in forever...I expected to be sore just because of that... None of its unbearable tho- Like after a strong GS day!
 
I only did Disk 1 on Monday and my Lats are so SORE!!!...I don't know how thats possible, but they are...I also did the ABs with the med ball, so maybe all that twisting did it...but I am really sore!!
 
except for legs:eek:. Is it normal not to have soreness after doing the upper body at 60% of the 1rm? I know that I feel it during the exercises, but I am not at all sore afterwards. I am currently doing the 6month rotation, so I will be repeating week one starting Friday, maybe I'll be sore than since I am some what familar with the workout itself. Just wondering if no soreness is normal? Thanks, Veronica

I know with week 1 Cathe stated that you are suppose to be challenged so if you weren't sore (even if you completed all the reps) then maybe you need to add a little more weight the 2nd time around.
 
I only did Disk 1 on Monday and my Lats are so SORE!!!...I don't know how thats possible, but they are...I also did the ABs with the med ball, so maybe all that twisting did it...but I am really sore!!

OMG! Me too!!!! I was like WTH???? I didnt do core that day so it WAS Disc 1...Must have been all the pushups! I did it on Mondy & I can STILL feel those lats!
 
Veronica...I too think you should take the focus off of soreness & DOMS and stay committed in week 2 to being at absolute max by the last rep in every exercise.
I agree.
Don't use DOMS or lack of it as a guide to whether the workout 'worked' or not. That's focusing on the wrong thing.

If the recovery periods are sufficient, you will have less DOMs.
I've even seen in several places that wearing tight spandex-like clothing can reduce DOMs. Also, IMO, a high-antioxidant diet that includes inflamation-reducing foods (flax seed, cinnamon, dark cherries, to name just a few) could also reduce DOMS.
 
Sore after Disc 1

The day after doing disc 1, my lats were really sore - I think from all those pushups. I don't ever do them because of shoulder problems & my chest was a little sore but my lats really felt it! And I thought all my 1 reps were right on target. Loved the whole workout! However, after doing disc 2 today, there were a couple exercises I had to drop a little weight. I'm looking forward to legs on Friday from what everyone is saying - I can't wait to feel those DOMS! I'm used to lifting weights every weekday, but I'm fighting the urge & going to stick to Cathe's recommendations of every other day.
 
That's probably one of the reasons I'm not as sore - I didn't/couldn't do all of those pushups. I have to be careful, becuase I develop tendonitis in my shoulder if I'm not careful (that happened bad with P90X). I actually, don't generally get sore anyway. Never really have. Although I actually like being sore a bit, so ....... Anyway, I have legs to "look forward to" on Saturday. yikes!
 
I totally agree....

Veronica...I too think you should take the focus off of soreness & DOMS and stay committed in week 2 to being at absolute max by the last rep in every exercise. I definitely have to load up the weight on some but I know that means that by the end of the workout I may be lowering a bit.
I think this is the real jewel in doing the 6 month, dont you? I get to make sure I am absolutely maxed out next week for round 2!

I am sore this week but I havent done endurance work in forever...I expected to be sore just because of that... None of its unbearable tho- Like after a strong GS day!

Yes, I think that doing the 6month rotation is a real jewel. I will go a little heavier in week2. It is so funny that you suggest going to absolute max in the last rep in every exercise, my husband told me to do pushup (at least every other round) on my toes. He says there is little benefit do doing pushup on your knees all the time, because I am not pushing myself. It is like using the same weight poundage all the time, I need to challange myself. He is amazed as to how many pushups I can do on my knees and believes that I can do more pushups on my knees than I realize. So next workout I will try to do them on my knees, at least half way thru each round.

Just a side note, I did the abs workout with a partner on Saturday and I am still sore:D. I was going do it again today, but decided not too. I will do it again on Friday. I did legs this past Sunday, and they are still screaming, I hate going to the bathroom or walking upstairs.:eek: Veronica
 
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This is an article I came across that you guys might be interested in:

Should I Be Sore After Weight Training?
by Marc David

It’s long been a myth that if you didn’t get sore from your last workout, then you didn’t work hard enough and you probably didn’t improve. But it’s just a myth. Soreness is not an indicator of a successful workout.

Muscle soreness that occurs directly after a workout is known as acute muscle soreness. Muscle soreness that appears 12 to 48 hours after exercise is known as delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS) or post exercise muscle soreness (PEMS).

Acute muscle soreness or inflammation can last up to an hour after exercise and can be caused by a reduction in normal blood flow to the muscle and a build up of metabolic byproducts like hydrogen ions or lactic acid.

The physiological mechanisms that cause DOMS or PEMS are not completely understood but the leading hypotheses are:

(1) the Connective Tissue Damage Hypothesis,
(2) Skeletal Muscle Damage Hypothesis, and
(3) The Spasm Hypothesis.

Connective Tissue Damage Hypothesis.

In a 1997 study, Brown, Child, Day and Donnelly reaffirmed an early study done by Abraham suggesting that DOMS or PEMS is due to a disruption in the connective tissue of the muscle and tendinous attachments.

Skeletal Muscle Damage Hypothesis.

In a 1986 study, Clarkson et al found that serum creatine kinase concentration was elevated with concentric, eccentric and isometric contractions, with greater perceived muscle soreness associated with the eccentric contraction. In a 2000 article entitled “Effects of Plyometric Exercise on Muscle Soreness and Plasma Creatine Kinase Levels and its Comparison with Eccentric and Concentric Exercise” (The Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research: Vol. 14, No. 1, pp. 68–74), the
authors found Clarkson’s study not only proved to be true but also concluded that plyometric activities had incurred perceived muscle soreness than concentric contractions.

Spasm Hypothesis.

In a 1980 study, Devries proposed that DOMS or PEMS is due to a restriction in blood supply, generally due to factors in the blood vessels, with resultant damage or dysfunction of tissue called ischemia. As you continued to workout, further ischemia would result in more damage and “soreness.” This theory was further proven by work done in 2000 by Barlas, Walsh, Baxter, and Allen. Sources: ISSA Complete Guide to Fitness: Edition 8.1.5,Unit 15, pp. 415

DOMS or PEMS seems to be a side-effect of muscle tearing and repairing that occurs after a workout. It’s an unfortunate side-effect as well because you are very sore and it takes 2 or more days for the soreness to go away.

Soreness should not be a goal of training. Many people experience soreness when they do a particular exercise with a moderate to heavy weight and get a good, deep stretch.
Not every person experiences muscle soreness. In fact, many do not yet they continue to make fantastic progress.

Forget soreness as an indicator or progress and use the most underutilized piece of equipment in the gym to tell you EXACTLY where you are, where you’ve been and if you are making forward movement.

What’s the piece of equipment?

A training journal!

Your goal should be to improve on your last efforts. Getting a little bit better with each step and each
workout. If you track your progress in some type of journal, it’s easy to see if you are improving. It’s even more beneficial to track some of your body measurements (fat loss, weight gain, size on arms and legs).

Use your journal to track your progress and your perception of how you feel. When you are done with a workout, you should feel better. Not so fatigued you can’t drive home. And not puking or so nauseous that it’s difficult to impossible to eat post-nutrition foods. You want to push yourself and get better but blasting yourself to the point of fatigue and overtraining where you are tired 2 days later or getting so sore it takes 7 days to walk again, is not good training. It will affect your recovery and that ultimately affects your next workout like a domino effect.

Soreness is not an indicator of a good workout. That myth has been around forever. Getting tired is easy. Getting better is not. I’ve never seen any proven scientific results that says soreness is a must in order to get better or stronger or bigger.



I just saw this a few days ago and when I saw this thread I thought I would share.
 
I was sore after Disc 1 but not Disc 2. I'm sure it was those one thousand one pushups!!! I expect to be sore after doing legs. Disc 3 has lots of exercises new to me. Can hardly wait! :)
 

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