Nia Shanks

Just wanted to say thank you, Roz, for all the yoga suggestions....I'm now doing Sun Sal B, rather than A - yes, much better for me (and harder!) I've been doing Travis Eliot's 'short and sweet' each evening, and it's all making a real difference. I'm so excited about starting Beautiful Badass, that I want everything 'fixed' before I do, so that I can give it my all. Sad, eh?
Justine, I just realized I never replied to this. Yoga's so good for everything, right? Glad the Sun Sal Bs are working out for you.
Not sad at all, wanting to be in tip top condition for Nia's program! I think yoga's a great complement to it. I've been doing some DYP and some of my own practice alongside BBA, and I'm loving it.
 
Roz - yes, yes, yes Cathe's lats. Love 'em!
I saw those T-shirts......very tempted. Mind you, I've just spent May's workout money on some new barbell plates (because this morning my BB wasn't heavy enough for my deadlifts - yay!)

I think it's AWESOME you set aside $ specifically for fitness stuff. I view my monthly fitness expenditures as one of my wisest investments, the kind that pay out both short- and long-term dividends. :) Better to spend even $100 a month now to maintain or (preferably) increase strength, endurance, flexibility, balance and mental sharpness, than to end up spending thousands of dollars a month down the road in healthcare, pharmaceutical, home health, nursing home, hospice, and other severe aging/frailty/illness-related costs. Even dedicated exercise over many decades obviously cannot and will not prevent every one of us from needing those things, certainly not forever. And this isn't a slam against people who need those types of care- far from it. I'm not playing "blame the patient" in the least. However, dedication to exercise and generally healthy living now can help delay the need for those very costly services, and possibly eliminate them entirely. Believe me, those expenses eat up savings in a way even the most ardent fitness buff couldn't match...not to mention the toll that frailty in old age takes on the aged people themselves, and on their caregivers. Possessing a firm commitment financially to one's fitness life should be a norm and not an exception to the rule, IMHO.

I look up to someone like Sly Stallone often, a gentleman who's nearly 70 years old and yet is built more like a brickhouse now than he was at age 30! I glance down the road into my future and while I may be female, definitely am not a movie star, and am far from wealthy- exercise is a great equalizer. I may be no star, but boy can I commit to fitness as one of my core values and activities as if I was one! I can't wait to see how I look and feel after 20, 30, 40 more years of training...

Keep investing, Justine. I find it inspiring and am glad there are others on the same path. You go, girl!
 
I've got to laugh at myself - 2nd May, and I had spent my workout money for the month, I mean, completed my health investment plan (thanks Lizzie!)

Yep, I 'allow' myself to spend the equivalent of a decent gym membership each month......
 
Hi ladies--
Just checking in, curious about how things are going for you.
Karen, how's Double Progression treating you? How much longer, and do you know what's next?
Oh! Also, I've been meaning to ask you... do you use a spotter for your squats? We have a set of squat stands, which are serviceable, but I hesitate to really push my squat weights to my limit when I'm lifting alone. (Not that I could squat anywhere near what you do, regardless! ;)) Thoughts?
So much to work on with deadlifts (I struggle with locking the bar out completely) and pressing, too...

Justine, have you decided which program to do? When do you begin?

I finished KISS on Monday -- loved it! -- I'm thinking I'm going to do her heavy singles program next (3 TB w/os per week using wave loading and corresponding rep ranges, sorta), but I'm taking a few days off. Walking and yoga. And I may unwrap KCM's Lift 2B Fit and give that a go before beginning my next Nia program...
 
I'm on week nine. It's a deload week, with eight weeks to go. Works great for me, husband brought home a nasty cold. I rarely catch a cold, when I do, it's wicked bad. This one is no exception. So, I'm taking it easy right now. I understand what you are saying about heavy weight. I lift alone, but every once in awhile, I have to load the bar, just to see if I can get one. If I have to drop the damn thing on the floor, I will. I can repair the floor, my body, would take forever to heal. You never want to jack up your back. But, I know I'm preaching to the choir. Every so often I push it. Even if it's quarter pound increments. Just to see what I can do. The stars have to be aligned as well. If my energy is down, and I'm dragging. I won't even try to go heavier. I've always been kind of nuts. Congrats on finishing KISS, I love Nia. (I bought one of those great tanks. Thanks for the heads-up)
 
I'm on week nine. It's a deload week, with eight weeks to go. Works great for me, husband brought home a nasty cold. I rarely catch a cold, when I do, it's wicked bad. This one is no exception. So, I'm taking it easy right now. I understand what you are saying about heavy weight. I lift alone, but every once in awhile, I have to load the bar, just to see if I can get one. If I have to drop the damn thing on the floor, I will. I can repair the floor, my body, would take forever to heal. You never want to jack up your back. But, I know I'm preaching to the choir. Every so often I push it. Even if it's quarter pound increments. Just to see what I can do. The stars have to be aligned as well. If my energy is down, and I'm dragging. I won't even try to go heavier. I've always been kind of nuts. Congrats on finishing KISS, I love Nia. (I bought one of those great tanks. Thanks for the heads-up)

This is probably a dumb question for you (or everyone doing this), but are you adding Nia Shanks exercise on top of a Cathe rotation that you're following, or do you alternate between their programs? It would be a big time and energy commitment to do both, I'd think. What does Nia help with that Cathe or other trainers haven't addressed? (Not at all a slam at Cathe- different workouts with various trainers provide good variety, so I support cross-training! I apologize if that was addressed already, but I didn't see an answer there. I'm always on the prowl for a new challenge now!) :D Sorry if that's a nosy or too-detailed question, but I'm wondering if you just add on work to Cathe workouts for the extra challenge, because you're more advanced.

I know the very advanced exercisers can do their normal 5-6 mornings with Cathe, then do yoga, Pilates, running, swimming, or whatever their own thing is that they love a few evenings a week, too. (On occasion I do some extra mobility drills, yoga, Pilates, or aerobics class in the evening, for example. I find extra exercise is an important pick-me-up during marathon nighttime study sessions for college. Although, I do consider myself only intermediate!) They're able to do this without overtraining because they built up the reserves, no doubt.

I know also that some people are the weekend warrior type, either because they are training for an event, need the extra calorie burn, enjoy the social aspects of their activity, etc. If you do Nia Shanks stuff on top of Cathe work, is it harder to recover well? Do you have to eat more, rest more, stretch more, etc.? Just curious...

Thanks in advance for letting me know, either way. :)
 
I'm on week nine. It's a deload week, with eight weeks to go. Works great for me, husband brought home a nasty cold. I rarely catch a cold, when I do, it's wicked bad. This one is no exception. So, I'm taking it easy right now. I understand what you are saying about heavy weight. I lift alone, but every once in awhile, I have to load the bar, just to see if I can get one. If I have to drop the damn thing on the floor, I will. I can repair the floor, my body, would take forever to heal. You never want to jack up your back. But, I know I'm preaching to the choir. Every so often I push it. Even if it's quarter pound increments. Just to see what I can do. The stars have to be aligned as well. If my energy is down, and I'm dragging. I won't even try to go heavier. I've always been kind of nuts. Congrats on finishing KISS, I love Nia. (I bought one of those great tanks. Thanks for the heads-up)
Haha I'm seeing big chunks out of the floor filled with sweat and blood!!! Love the "GET IRON" mentality!! My basement floor is concrete and I don't give a @#%$ what it looks like when I'm done!! Glad to know my house may not be the only one with bad floors!!
 
This is probably a dumb question for you (or everyone doing this), but are you adding Nia Shanks exercise on top of a Cathe rotation that you're following, or do you alternate between their programs? It would be a big time and energy commitment to do both, I'd think. What does Nia help with that Cathe or other trainers haven't addressed? (Not at all a slam at Cathe- different workouts with various trainers provide good variety, so I support cross-training! I apologize if that was addressed already, but I didn't see an answer there. I'm always on the prowl for a new challenge now!) :D Sorry if that's a nosy or too-detailed question, but I'm wondering if you just add on work to Cathe workouts for the extra challenge, because you're more advanced.

I know the very advanced exercisers can do their normal 5-6 mornings with Cathe, then do yoga, Pilates, running, swimming, or whatever their own thing is that they love a few evenings a week, too. (On occasion I do some extra mobility drills, yoga, Pilates, or aerobics class in the evening, for example. I find extra exercise is an important pick-me-up during marathon nighttime study sessions for college. Although, I do consider myself only intermediate!) They're able to do this without overtraining because they built up the reserves, no doubt.

I know also that some people are the weekend warrior type, either because they are training for an event, need the extra calorie burn, enjoy the social aspects of their activity, etc. If you do Nia Shanks stuff on top of Cathe work, is it harder to recover well? Do you have to eat more, rest more, stretch more, etc.? Just curious...

Thanks in advance for letting me know, either way. :)

I love Cathe’s workouts, but I base my workouts on periodization. I lift very heavy in the Winter, to gain muscle. In the Summer I use lighter weights, and more metabolic type workouts, to lean out. Nia Shanks uses very heavy weights, with less reps. She also uses compound exercises. Cathe has a huge following, but not all of them want to add a lot of muscle. Her workouts appeal to the majority of her fans. (including me) A couple of years ago, I came across Nia, bought her download, loved it. So I pull it out every Winter. I was a little late this year. I won’t finish with this program until June. I will then start with my Summer workouts. I have workout ADHD, so I love variety with my programs, which is not a bad thing. Muscles love being confused. I work during the day, so I do my Nia workout before work, after work, I do a yoga, or bodyweight workout. I love Cathe’s STS, but right now I just don’t have over an hour to workout in the morning. I guess I do, but I’m not willing to get up at 3:45 am. I’m just kinda funny that way. In the Summer it’s not bad, but in the Winter it feels like midnight. When you look at Nia, you would never think that she could deadlift 330 lbs, but she can, and she does. I have been lifting for many years. I enjoy it. I think Roz stated it best when she said that she was chasing the dragon for a heavier deadlift weight. Something like that, don’t quote me. But it was great, because that’s what it is…we’re basically chasing the dragon for a new weightlifting high. When Cathe breaks the news about her new workout series, I will be first in line to buy it. Love Cathe, for what she does best.
 
Some piecemeal questions/replies:
You never want to jack up your back.
Is this re: squats or deadlift lockout (pardon my ignorance)?
but are you adding Nia Shanks exercise on top of a Cathe rotation that you're following, or do you alternate between their programs?
Karen answered your questions really well and I don't have much to add except to say that in Nia's programs you lift super heavy and are really training for strength. (That's not to say there's no muscle hypertrophy or fat loss, etc., but the reps are generally very low, often lower than STS Meso 3.) I couldn't do Nia's program simultaneously with Cathe lifting. No recovery time. I've been appreciating Nia's 'less is more' and 'minimum effective dose' philosophy. I lift 3-4 times a week, very heavy, walk a lot, do a lot of (advanced) yoga. That's it. No cardio these days -- I'm not jonesing for it like I do when I'm stuck inside and snowed in all winter.
But it was great, because that’s what it is…we’re basically chasing the dragon for a new weightlifting high. When Cathe breaks the news about her new workout series, I will be first in line to buy it. Love Cathe, for what she does best.
This. I'm taking a week off from Nia and just did KCM's Muscle Up this morning. I think it's her more straightforward heavy lifting DVD (correct me if I'm wrong on this). But after 8 weeks of Nia Shanks I realized -- oh -- this is metabolic weight training. I don't mean it's not challenging or you can't gain muscle or whatever, but there are no rests and I was huffing and puffing almost the whole way through. I loved it! But it's very different (as is Cathe's weight training).
 
Haha I'm seeing big chunks out of the floor filled with sweat and blood!!! Love the "GET IRON" mentality!! My basement floor is concrete and I don't give a @#%$ what it looks like when I'm done!! Glad to know my house may not be the only one with bad floors!!
Oh yeah! I think my favorite part of deadlift day is the sound of the plates crashing down on our concrete basement floor!
'What's that sound?'
'Oh, just 220 lbs of iron hitting the floor! I AM VULCAN!'
 
Good timing with the questions, girls (and tslop49 - our honorary girl :D ). I finished STS yesterday - with a fab Squat Rack w/o. I was meant to be doing a plyo HiiT this morning - the jumping was OK, but getting down low on anything (snowboards!) was torture.

I've decided on the Double Wave rotation, like Karen. My choices were narrowed down by the fact that I like a long rotation, but quite varied withing the rotation - so 4 weeks doing the same 4 workouts is OK, but about my limit. Curious as to how you all decided on which Badass rotation to do. Roz - has doing KISS altered your choice of the next?

Locking out on a deadlift? I'm not sure what that indicates - if I'm struggling, it's with getting the darned thing off the floor! Upper body strength is not great for me - I wear lifting straps for deadlifts, but still feel it in my forearms etc. And, yes, if something is too heavy, I'll just drop it - the stone floor of my workout room is about 400 years old, so if it's survived this long, it can cope with a crazy middle-aged woman doing weird thing to lumps of iron!

Karen - any words of advice as I go into the Double Wave Progression? I think the first week will be all about finding out where my current limits are. For example, I've on ever done press-ups for reps. I don't know which variation will be right for just 5 reps. But I'll be wanting to use my new suspension system! Hope the cold clears up soon.

Lizzie - I'll just be doing Nia (4x per week at first) and then doing HiiT 2x per week. I'll also do half an hour or so yoga daily, and of course I'll be walking my pups! That'll do me! You sound like you do plenty....and you claim to be intermediate, but I reckon you're just modest ;)

Chasing the iron dragon....yes. Quite addictive, eh? My name is Justine, and I like picking up things that are difficult to pick up....
 
Ha! Roz, we must have been typing at the same time.....

I know what you mean about everything else seeming like 'metabolic weight training'. It's only listening to you two (Karen, you're implicated here) that I realised what I've been doing for years is almost exclusively metabolic or hypertrophy work. As you say, even STS meso #3 has more reps than Nia. What hooked me and drew me in to Nia's programme was that she's tiny and doesn't look like she could pick up a chopstick, let alone 300+lbs. (Until you see her muscles ripple if she's wearing a vest and shorts.) I'm the other way round - I look muscular, but I'm relatively weak. Yes, too many hypertrophy programmes for me.

I came across Nia a couple of years ago, subscribed, and got a free w/o plan - but it looked too simple, and I didn't have the nerve to try it. Thought it couldn't possibly work. It was listening to Karen and Roz which made me finally take the plunge. I've seen the light! (well, the heavy, actually.)

Thanks girls.
 
What I meant when I said, "Don't jack up your back," I've watched people (mostly men) try to lift a weight that is obviously too heavy. Instead of placing the weight back on the rack, they try to muscle the weight, using all kinds of body contortions. The next time you see them, they are hobbling around all bent over. As Cathe has stated "you're an educated crowd," and I was preaching to the choir. Men sometimes lift with their ego, most women on the other hand are smart enough to know when something is too heavy. Drop it on the floor, if you can't get it back in the rack. I work with people that have had back injuries, and surgery, they are never the same, and their back is always killing them. That's why we lift, right? To make everything stronger, so there are no injuries.
 
Good timing with the questions, girls (and tslop49 - our honorary girl :D ). I finished STS yesterday - with a fab Squat Rack w/o. I was meant to be doing a plyo HiiT this morning - the jumping was OK, but getting down low on anything (snowboards!) was torture.

I've decided on the Double Wave rotation, like Karen. My choices were narrowed down by the fact that I like a long rotation, but quite varied withing the rotation - so 4 weeks doing the same 4 workouts is OK, but about my limit. Curious as to how you all decided on which Badass rotation to do. Roz - has doing KISS altered your choice of the next?

Locking out on a deadlift? I'm not sure what that indicates - if I'm struggling, it's with getting the darned thing off the floor! Upper body strength is not great for me - I wear lifting straps for deadlifts, but still feel it in my forearms etc. And, yes, if something is too heavy, I'll just drop it - the stone floor of my workout room is about 400 years old, so if it's survived this long, it can cope with a crazy middle-aged woman doing weird thing to lumps of iron!

Karen - any words of advice as I go into the Double Wave Progression? I think the first week will be all about finding out where my current limits are. For example, I've on ever done press-ups for reps. I don't know which variation will be right for just 5 reps. But I'll be wanting to use my new suspension system! Hope the cold clears up soon.

Lizzie - I'll just be doing Nia (4x per week at first) and then doing HiiT 2x per week. I'll also do half an hour or so yoga daily, and of course I'll be walking my pups! That'll do me! You sound like you do plenty....and you claim to be intermediate, but I reckon you're just modest ;)

Chasing the iron dragon....yes. Quite addictive, eh? My name is Justine, and I like picking up things that are difficult to pick up....
What!!! Honorary girl?? Well thanks, (I think?) No Bruce Jenner here.!!!I am proud of those hormones that DO seem to drive me do stupid stuff and like Karen says, I don't think we are the technicians you ladies are I have to admit that I do WAY too little deadlifting because I know my form needs work and it is the easiest lift to cause injury if done wrong. But hey..I am mostly retired now..don't really need that back, so time to go for it! And thanks Justinef for inclusion!! Still kinda hurts though haha
 
I've decided on the Double Wave rotation, like Karen. My choices were narrowed down by the fact that I like a long rotation, but quite varied withing the rotation - so 4 weeks doing the same 4 workouts is OK, but about my limit. Curious as to how you all decided on which Badass rotation to do. Roz - has doing KISS altered your choice of the next?

Locking out on a deadlift? I'm not sure what that indicates - if I'm struggling, it's with getting the darned thing off the floor! Upper body strength is not great for me - I wear lifting straps for deadlifts, but still feel it in my forearms etc. And, yes, if something is too heavy, I'll just drop it - the stone floor of my workout room is about 400 years old, so if it's survived this long, it can cope with a crazy middle-aged woman doing weird thing to lumps of iron!
I actually chose KISS in part because it's only 8 weeks, and I wanted to get my feet wet with something shorter. I really enjoyed KISS and am doing the heavy singles program in part because it's different from KISS (just for variety) and I can play with going very heavy and also have some higher rep sets in there.

Tony Gentilcore has a great PDF on deadlifts ('Pick Things Up', I think) that you get for free when you sign up for his mailing list (and of course you can just unsubscribe) -- also a video. I found it helpful -- there are so many cues to think of while deadlifting, it can get overwhelming. Locking out a deadlift is squeezing your glutes at the end. Basically a teeny weeny hyperextension, if I'm not mistaken. I struggle more with lockout than getting the bar off the floor -- I think many people struggle with one more than the other, based on relative strength of muscles, limb lengths, etc. I was a bit confused with deadlifts when I started Nia's program, as I think Cathe basically uses deep RDLs for her deadlifts (right, Karen?). I had to adjust to each rep starting and ending on the floor.
 
What!!! Honorary girl?? Well thanks, (I think?) No Bruce Jenner here.!!!I am proud of those hormones that DO seem to drive me do stupid stuff and like Karen says, I don't think we are the technicians you ladies are I have to admit that I do WAY too little deadlifting because I know my form needs work and it is the easiest lift to cause injury if done wrong. But hey..I am mostly retired now..don't really need that back, so time to go for it! And thanks Justinef for inclusion!! Still kinda hurts though haha

Isn't it interesting how different our individual physiology is? Deadlifts have always been an exercise that felt incredibly natural for me. I have long arms, a flexible and strong lower back, and flexible hamstrings. I'm kind of tall for a woman, but have a good hip hinge and don't have very long legs for my height. Lunges, though? Forget it, I still suck at them after all this time training. I love deadlifts. They are by far my favorite standing leg exercise. I just cannot build up my hamstrings or improve my glute/ham tie-in without doing a few solid sets at least once a week, and I love that feeling of the stretch in deadlifts!
 
Ha! Roz, we must have been typing at the same time.....

I know what you mean about everything else seeming like 'metabolic weight training'. It's only listening to you two (Karen, you're implicated here) that I realised what I've been doing for years is almost exclusively metabolic or hypertrophy work. As you say, even STS meso #3 has more reps than Nia. What hooked me and drew me in to Nia's programme was that she's tiny and doesn't look like she could pick up a chopstick, let alone 300+lbs. (Until you see her muscles ripple if she's wearing a vest and shorts.) I'm the other way round - I look muscular, but I'm relatively weak. Yes, too many hypertrophy programmes for me.

I came across Nia a couple of years ago, subscribed, and got a free w/o plan - but it looked too simple, and I didn't have the nerve to try it. Thought it couldn't possibly work. It was listening to Karen and Roz which made me finally take the plunge. I've seen the light! (well, the heavy, actually.)

Thanks girls.

All right, you got me without even trying, Justine. LOL. :) I always return to metabolic workouts, even though I know I probably ought to branch out more often into different territory. I admit it, I have been über-skeptical of the short-workout movement taking off as of late. Well, it's been taking off for a couple of years minimum, but I'm probably way late to the game, so it's new to me! I must have some sort of 1980's aerobics class mental block (along with a lifetime of obesity behind me) pushing my brain to fight against accepting short workouts as equal or superior, no matter how intense they are. And I know they are intense, at least in Nia Shanks' case. It is so ingrained in my brain, "Work out for an hour (or close to it), sweat your tail off, or don't even bother." The thought of doing 1-5 reps or 6 exercises or so for a few sets only? What?! I just do not feel like I'll ever keep my weight down if I did that. I'll think, "Yeah, I'm sure that it works for the already trim who just want to stay nice and firm and fit plus gain some muscle, but for a big chick like me? Yeah, right!" I know pretty much anyone would gain muscle on it, but the fat-burning part...can anyone address that for me?

I've seen examples of Nia's program (or the workouts Marianne Kane does, another example of a kickbutt lady- you ought to see her Bulgarian split squats!!!) and it looks so nice and simple and enticing. But wow...I don't know. Is the calorie burn really the same? Can a Nia Shanks program work for those who tend towards obesity, or is it really only best for those who are generally of normal (or near it) weight, and just want more muscle? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe that Nia's program would build muscle like it's nobody's business. But is it/would it be enough for people who have a lot of weight to lose (20+ pounds) and/or have a far higher genetic tendency to get obese? I am not judging one way or the other, I truly don't know the answer. I am also aware that there probably is no one-size-fits-all answer. I am curious if anyone who started out with significant weight to lose followed Nia Shanks program succeeded in reaching their goal weight and keeping weight off for a year or more. I've hit about nine months of maintaining my weight loss, and I can tell you it takes a ton of work! I almost feel like the rule book is not written the same for someone like me, that I don't have the luxury of choosing shorter workouts, although I freely admit I could be wrong.

Another thing that's entirely mental yet again...Although I might be nuts, I really like working out for 45-70 minutes a day. It's my time, strictly set aside just for myself and the whole household knows it! :) I adore the variety of cross-training with tons of different exercises. I also actually enjoy finishing a workout knowing that I completely gave all of myself to it, and am utterly spent. Not every workout can or should be that way, but many of them have to be for me or I'm not all that pleased with my efforts. Maybe that's out-of-balance? I don't know. Does Nia's program leave you feeling like, "Wow, that's the utter limit of my ability today!"? Again, I could be completely wacky, but I so love reaching the point of being drenched in sweat after a workout and having put in significant time to the challenge. Sorry if this is going way beyond the scope of questions I ought to ask here, but I am truly interested in any answers.
 
Well, you didn't ask for my opinion, but I'm going to chime in anyway. My workout philosophy? YOU DO YOU!! If you love working out 45-70 minutes a day and it brings results, then do it. I'm all for branching out into new territory, but when you find something you love, and it makes you happy, that's what you should do. Variety, is the spice of life, so try everything. You may be surprised at what you like, and don't like. If you hate kickboxing, or kettlebells, don't do kickboxing and kettlebells. Give everything more than one try though, it may grow on you, and muscles love variety. Some days, especially during the Summer, I don't want to do a download, or a dvd. So, I will take my favorite tunes, my kettlebells, and my Gym Boss to the backyard, and make up my own workout (30 seconds kettlebell swings, 10 second rest, 30 second burpees, 10 second rest etc.) until I have done 30-40 min. Not following a dvd, or a structured plan, I have just given myself a fantastic metabolic workout. Sometimes I will put a large rope around a pole in my backyard, and do my own version of Ropes Gone Wild. My neighbors all think I'm nuts, but that's ok. That way, I don't have Joe Schmoe hanging over the back fence checking it all out. Yoga outside is great. Some days I just get a wild hair, and walk the two miles to Starbucks. Even mowing the lawn is a workout. Basically just move. It doesn't have to be a chore, or a pain, unless it's DOMS the next day. I realize that I am very fortunate, and have the space and yard to workout. Whatever you have, make it work for you. Happy workout hunting, and remember, it's all about you!
 
Hi Lizzie,
Yup, Justine nailed it... all those dang chin ups!
Speaking of lats, have you seem Cathe's in MIS? Holy moly! Lat envy!
Roz

I have a love of of back training, one reason I adore GS Back, Shoulders & Biceps. Re: MIS, Cathe is just off-the-chain! Those itty-bitty hips, beautiful lat development, gorgeous legs. I remember the original VHS box from the ad in Collage Video's catalog years ago, it was a black background. (I know, I'm dating myself here!) I was already into strength-training and wanted MIS, but $20 plus S&H was a lot of money to me back then, LOL. I think she was in a white leotard, and she looked SO toned, yet utterly adorable and innately feminine. Those biceps of hers in PS, too...I'm totally and utterly emerald green over how cut she got, and with perfect muscular symmetry, too.

I remember MIS was released with MIC at the same time, and Collage basically had to put a warning label on both workouts. "Cathe is advanced. No joke. She just might kill you with these workouts. You've been warned!" And of course that just made me want to buy them immediately, LOL...
 
Well said, Karen.
Lizzie, no, it's not the same calorie burn. However, I find I'm less hungry when I'm not doing tons of cardio/metabolic workouts, so that's OK for me. Nia does have a fat loss program in the BBA program, which includes hill sprints and/or walking in addition to heavy lifting.
Am I totally spent at the end of a workout? No. But do I push myself to my limits in the course of the workout? Totally.
The workouts do take longer than you'd think (maybe half an hour?), especially when you include warm-up sets. They're substantial, if compact.
 

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