Kirstie Alley on Oprah today

"In the end, it IS your fault and until you accept responsibility for your own self, with an eye on permanent change, you're living in Fantasyland."

Stacey D,

I love your post! But what you said above, hits the nail on the head exactly!!!

Gayle, what's really sad, is millions of people will buy whatever "program" she "invents." Because too many people still believe that there is a magic pill. I love those claims, lose the weight without diet or exercise - yeah, on what planet?!
Kirsten
 
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I have learned that if you're doing everything you can and you're still not losing the weight and changing your body comp the everything you THINK you're doing is all in your head.

However, my feelings towards those who constantly blather on about their weight, when nothing ever changes, are very different... Thus Kirstie Alley (and Oprah) really piss me off.

She's too invested in being the funny fat girl, evidently unaware that there are funny fit girls, too. I was so irritated with all Alley's giggling and coquettishness during the Oprah interview that I finally got fed up and started playing on the computer, occassionally rolling my eyes at the silliness going on between her and Oprah. Kirstie Alley will never be a fit girl. Nothing wrong with that, IF she'd just shut up about it. But if she insists on blathering on about the okay-ness of her alleged efforts (with Oprah nodding along... please) I have better things to do.

OMG Stacey I love your post. Exceptional points all right on, in my personal opinion. Thanks for your input ;)
 
Stacey,

I won't quote here because everyone can read what you wrote, but I just have to say that your post was excellent!!!
 
I agree with you, Govtgirl. When I first started to work out and lose weight (60 pounds and 10 sizes, thus far) I used to go over to the message boards at T-nation.com and argue with the men about what I perceived as their lack of charity towards overweight people. The general consensus of EVERYONE Over There (and the topic was about fit men and their perceptions of fat women, sexually) was that people who aren't fit are making choices that are wrong, that they know they're wrong, and they're too lazy to do the work to clean up their act. Man, did I argue. It was me against the masses Over There.

Now, 60 pounds lighter (and counting), I have to admit (here, not Over There ;)) that Those Boys were essentially right. I didn't think so then. But so many remarks made then are hitting home now in regards to my own choices and behaviors, then and now. I remember one guy saying something to the effect that fat people want the information fed to them regarding how to do it, then they want more info and more; but when you ask them if they're following the directions you gave them a month ago, guess what? They're not. I have definitely found this to be true. Everyone's asking me how I did it and am continuing to do it with a bright hopeful light in their eyes, like they want to know the name of my magic pill. But as soon as I start talking diet and exercise it's like I'm letting the air out of their tires and the more I say the flatter they get. They don't want to hear about heavy weights, protein, and vegetables and I'm wasting my breath. But if I talked about pills and liquid diet drinks, they could wrap their heads around that. Imagine. They'd rather drink their meal than eat their vegetables. Why?

I have learned that if you're doing everything you can and you're still not losing the weight and changing your body comp the everything you THINK you're doing is all in your head. In most cases, you're lying to yourself hoping you won't figure it out so you can still eat that brownie or those fries. In the end, it IS your fault and until you accept responsibility for your own self, with an eye on permanent change, you're living in Fantasyland. I know now I lied to myself for DECADES and once I really got serious about doing my research (reading everything is crucial) and getting off my butt EVERYTHING changed. And consistency was essential. In my fight with the T-Nation boys, though, I was very disturbed by the tone of their arguments. I recall saying at one point that I was taught to be respectful of ALL people and that if you're offended because someone else is fat YOU'RE the one with issues. I mean, why in the Hell are you concerned about the weight of someone else, someone who is minding their own business and not asking for "help" from you? My feelings on this still stand. Until someone asks it's none of my concern. However, my feelings towards those who constantly blather on about their weight, when nothing ever changes, are very different... Thus Kirstie Alley (and Oprah) really piss me off.

When Alley came on Oprah the first time I thought the bikini fashion show was ridiculous and her chatter indicated to me (and I was still quite fat at the time) that she wasn't truly engaged in her change. She was simply eating what the JC people sent her. Big deal. However, if you pay attention to the attitude of Valerie Bertinelli it's a night and day difference. I can feel Bertinelli's seriousness and commitment to a better LIFE. She may slide a bit but she's not doing the celebrity thing where she loses, gains a little, gets harassed by the tabloids, then loses, then gains... Bertinelli gets the whole picture and has obviously done the groundwork. You don't get abs like that sitting on the sofa waiting for Jenny Craig to deliver your chow. She is ENGAGED in her life. Alley just isn't. She's too invested in being the funny fat girl, evidently unaware that there are funny fit girls, too. I was so irritated with all Alley's giggling and coquettishness during the Oprah interview that I finally got fed up and started playing on the computer, occassionally rolling my eyes at the silliness going on between her and Oprah. Kirstie Alley will never be a fit girl. Nothing wrong with that, IF she'd just shut up about it. But if she insists on blathering on about the okay-ness of her alleged efforts (with Oprah nodding along... please) I have better things to do.

What a great post, Siren Song Woman! It's all about choices & if you want to make the right ones. 98% of the people who say they'd like to look like me (very fit for my age, if I do say so!) don't want to do what it takes to achieve it. I made choices & so can they. I love junk food just as much as anybody, and would love a pill that would take the place of exercise! I like wearing skinny jeans (size 4 & getting looser thanks to Mindy Mylrea's Gliders!) better than I like eating french fries & Twinkies every day. "If you choose the behavior, you choose the consequences."
 
Stacey - GREAT post.

Stacey - GREAT post!

My only observation/question...who the hell is going to buy a weight loss program from Kirstie Alley? I really think she's kidding herself if she thinks this is going to be her "next big thing". There's just no substance at all behind it.

ITA, she has issues to work through...

There are PLENTY of people who will buy into Kirstie's weight loss program - the ones who are forever looking for the "magic pill" and/or quick weightloss stories because they don't want to do the hard work. And, that's about 95% of people who need to lose weight.
 
Stacey, great post!

Try talking to people about what it really takes to get fit and healthy and watch their eyes glaze over. Oprah and her forum for dingbats like Kirstie Alley aggravate my liver. More bad advice, more confused masses, more obesity. And, color me cynical, but I don't feel bad for her "having" to going through it in public, because she's wants to go through it in public! If she went through it in private she'd never be able to unleash her ludicrous get thin quick schemes on the world, now would she?

Sigh. People in the know, such as ourselves, must be fitness lights unto the world! It is our burden to bear. :p
 
Morningstar, I clarified what I said before, so I don't want to perpetuate a misunderstanding and I certainly don't think I deserve a "flame".

And your post actually supports my point: there is a mindset to people that continue self-destructive behavior. On some level, continuing that behavior works for them, protects them, and they are comfortable there, and they don't want to change it. I used to be one of those people.

Again, I have been overweight, and I changed it, so yes I understand it is extremely difficult, but the difficult part isn't about calories, it's about finding out why we insist on continuing self-destructive behavior.

Sorry, saw your post after I posted.
 
Wow, Chris - that is amazing!! I am so freakin' proud of you.

Thanks!!! :)

It's crazy how something just "snaps" and you finally figure out that you have to change your life for good, or you'll keep going in the opposite direction. I think that "snap" is unpredicatable, and comes at different times for different people.

the best part is when you ENJOY your new direction, ENJOY working out and eating healthy foods. that's what keeps me going. ..
 
Well, as long as we have decided that fat people are fat because they are lazy, that will solve the problem, right?

Anyone who has read my posts for a while knows my history, so I don't think I need to give my credentials to speak on this subject. I will just say that it wasn't a diet that allowed me to get rid of a 20-year eating disorder and it wasn't exercise that allowed me to drop 128 pounds, it was just that a switch went off inside my head and I started to value myself, think about what I put into my body and decided that I wanted better for me.

Without that change in my thinking about myself, nothing else would have been possible. That change happens at different times for different people for very different reasons. It isn't predictable, it isn't for sale, and you can't get it in a diet pill or a fitness magazine.

Once you make that switch in your head, then you almost automatically start making choices that are healthy for you- no more eating disorders, diet pills, get-skinny-quick-schemes, etc. Everything else is just details. It doesn't matter what particular nutrition plan you choose, it doesn't matter what exercise program you prefer. Those things help once you are working to obtain a refined level of fitness, but at the beginning, it's just about making better choices because you're worth it.

People don't respond to stories about what it really takes to be fit until they have made their own switch in their heads- and then they can't get enough. I always tell people that say "oh, I don't have time to work out" and "oh, I can't afford a gym membership" to go and do something else then that they really enjoy doing, and when they are ready for it (when their switch has gone off in their heads), to really go for it and they will be successful. Sometimes just taking the pressure off, saying that it's okay if they don't feel like doing that yet, makes them consider making changes.

Some people say I have been an inspiration for them- I don't really believe it, because I've yet to see anyone I know make any really huge changes towards a healthier life. I just live my life and answer questions that are asked about how I did it, but I know that until that light bulb goes off for someone, they will just beat their heads against a wall and feel guilty about not half killing themselves every day to lose weight and enjoying chocolate cake so much. But once they are ready, everything will change, and it will be in a heartbeat.

I'm not even sure if I could pinpoint why my own light bulb went off when it did; I have never been able to really figure that out. I sure have no idea how to make someone else's light bulb light up. If I could figure that out, I think I'd have Jenny Craig, Hydroxycut and everyone else beat!
 
It's crazy how something just "snaps" and you finally figure out that you have to change your life for good, or you'll keep going in the opposite direction. I think that "snap" is unpredicatable, and comes at different times for different people.


Interesting that you were writing this just when I was writing my post!
 
I don't think fat people are lazy. I certainly wasn't. I did, however, know what I needed to do to lose weight, and I think most folks do. Sadly the lure of the weight-loss "quickie" is powerful and omni-present and, IMO, interferes with the necessary "click" that many of us here have had. If we could turn down the noise of the bullshit I think a lot of folks would hear that click a lot sooner.

Just one former chubby girl's opinion. :)
 
I don't think fat people are lazy. I certainly wasn't. I did, however, know what I needed to do to lose weight, and I think most folks do. Sadly the lure of the weight-loss "quickie" is powerful and omni-present and, IMO, interferes with the necessary "click" that many of us here have had. If we could turn down the noise of the bullshit I think a lot of folks would hear that click a lot sooner.

Just one former chubby girl's opinion. :)

Very good point.
 
Well, for one I don't think people "blather" about their weight. It may be something that really bothers them and they need to talk about it. Who are we to decide what they should/can or shouldn't/can't do?

I think the majority of obese people does not like where they are and they don't like to hang on to their fat. They just don't have the right tools to get it under control. In most cases it has nothing to do with willpower or lack thereof. We all can feel about Oprah however we want to but I don't think there is any dispute that she is quite a high achiever and I would say that she has above average willpower.

We have corporations put all kinds of stuff into food that has shown to effect the eating habits of people, i.e high fructose corn syrup. You almost have to have a scientist and nutritionist degree to decifer food labels these days.

We have a several billion dollar diet industry prey on people and selling them the 10 lbs in 10 days crap pretending that losing weight is easy because they are afraid that people otherwise wouldn't buy their products, books, magazines. All those diets and diet products do is induce binge eating and people having a distorted view about food and health.

Each time we go on another diet of deprivation, the weight becomes more difficult to lose, and we become even more frustrated and discouraged. Then we eat more and exercise less, causing ourselves more frustration, discouragement, depression. Soon we are in a vicious cycle. We begin to ask ourselves, why even bother? We begin to blame ourselves for having no will power.

Decades of research has shown that diets, both self-initiated and professionally led don't work in the long term and in 95 % of the cases lead to binge eating and yo-yo dieting. If yet another diet fails or another gadget is not working people have a tendancy to blame themselves "If I just had more willpower", "If I just didn't have such a sweet tooth", "If ....." And other people also will make derogatory remarks, "Why doesn't she exercise more", "Why doesn't she stop eating XYZ" ....... It kind of reminds me of the rape victim being blamed for wearing a short skirt, when the truth is we are not failing diets, diets are failing us.

I feel bad for Oprah and Kirstie Alley. They fell for yet another unsustainable diet which require to sacrifice by being hungry and not enjoying their exercise. I look at Bob Greene's program or Jenny Craig's program and I am rolling my eyes so manically that I get dizzy. Who on earth could sustain that kind of diet over the long term.

We keep eating low-fat, low-carb, low-whatever junk and think we are doing ourselves a lot of good because the diet industry tells us so. However, our bodies don't know what to do with all this processed stuff made in a chemical lab and keeps starving for real food and phytonutrients. Now for some people this is not a problem for their weight because they are not genetically predispositioned for weight gain but for many this becomes a real problem.

I am not saying that people don't bear any responsibility but to say that fat people are in their comfort zone by staying fat or like to be fat on some subconscious level is just not true for the majority of overweight/obese people.

I agree with Morningstar that people need to have that switch in their head go on. Until that happens nothing is going to change and it has nothing to do with will power or being smart or not smart enough, or lazy or whatever else. For me it was the quote in my signature line that changed my life, I was ready to not only listen but to actually hear it. But it is absolutely possible that a few months before that quote wouldn't have had that impact on me that it had last year in July. Unfortunately there are no surefire solutions that work for everyone.
 
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I don't know nuttin 'bout none of this except that I haven't been able to sit down ever since I got that GWF doodad!! :eek: :p :D
 
I don't know nuttin 'bout none of this except that I haven't been able to sit down ever since I got that GWF doodad!! :eek: :p :D

LOL! I know!
I find myself walking in circles just to get my step count up.:eek: It's just crazy I tell ya:p:D:cool:
 
my point: there is a mindset to people that continue self-destructive behavior. On some level, continuing that behavior works for them, protects them, and they are comfortable there, and they don't want to change it. I used to be one of those people.

the difficult part isn't about calories, it's about finding out why we insist on continuing self-destructive behavior.


Govtgirl has a valid point. This perspective on self-destructive behaviour applies to all patterns of negative behaviour, not just over-eating. We do become "comfortable" with our own patterns of behaviour. Not "comfortable" in the sense that we just love residing there, but comfortable in the sense of that being the mode of life we have learned to inhabit and gotten used to and from which it will require a massive effort and change of mind-set for us to move.

Govtgirl does not deserve criticism for her astute observations, however uncomfortable they make us feel.

Clare
 
Govtgirl has a valid point. This perspective on self-destructive behaviour applies to all patterns of negative behaviour, not just over-eating. We do become "comfortable" with our own patterns of behaviour. Not "comfortable" in the sense that we just love residing there, but comfortable in the sense of that being the mode of life we have learned to inhabit and gotten used to and from which it will require a massive effort and change of mind-set for us to move.

Govtgirl does not deserve criticism for her astute observations, however uncomfortable they make us feel.

Clare

It's not about her observations making me feel uncomfortable, I just happen to think she is wrong. Just as she has every right to state her opinion, I have the same right to disagree. That is not criticism of her personally by any means.
 
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