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Nancy.. you are my kind of gal!
Nancy.. you are my kind of gal!
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Jennifit
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>Wait a minute. The poll was regarding happiness with the
>current government, not happiness in general. I'll bet if you
>asked most Americans if they're happy living in this country,
>you would get a "yes" in the ninety-something percentile. But
>the majority also understand that the Bush administration is
>trying to erode those things that make this country great,
>like freedom and justice. He and his cronies seem to have no
>concept of the ideals this country is based upon.
>Fortunately, his 8 years in office weren't enough to ruin us.
>This country is resilient, and will recover once this
>administration is gone.
>
>And, excuse me, but what does God have to do with this topic?
>If anything, I'll bet she will be happy to see the Bush
>administraton gone too.
That was brilliant!!
>current government, not happiness in general. I'll bet if you
>asked most Americans if they're happy living in this country,
>you would get a "yes" in the ninety-something percentile. But
>the majority also understand that the Bush administration is
>trying to erode those things that make this country great,
>like freedom and justice. He and his cronies seem to have no
>concept of the ideals this country is based upon.
>Fortunately, his 8 years in office weren't enough to ruin us.
>This country is resilient, and will recover once this
>administration is gone.
>
>And, excuse me, but what does God have to do with this topic?
>If anything, I'll bet she will be happy to see the Bush
>administraton gone too.
That was brilliant!!
hiitdogs
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>Now wait a second - in his defense Bill has provded more than
>his share of levity and sanity when things on this site seem
>to be going in an unfortunate situation. And his sleuth
>skills have called out more than one troll who we definitely
>didn't need. And I think Diana Sue is a fabulous fitness
>inspiration to many of us. Just because we may not all agree
>on his political views doesn't, IMO call for us to make
>generalizations about him. (Amy- not trying to belittle your
>point of view either) I just think that when we get into
>matters that can become heated we should refrain from pointed
>comments as we know (we ARE an "educated crowd" afterall) that
>we will never all agree on these issues.
>
>Lorrie
Agreed Lorrie, that Bill has been a "balancing force" on this forum for quite a while. That is why I am so surprised that over the last few threads he threw out some not so nice comments and made generalizations.
I think Amy does have a point, Bill's post and his answer gave the appearance that it was meant to rattle some cages and start a controversy which I think is uncalled for and I don't understand why. If you talk about making generalizations, saying "I knew it would drive you leftwingers nuts", I would consider a generalization and a not very nice one.
Carola
>Now wait a second - in his defense Bill has provded more than
>his share of levity and sanity when things on this site seem
>to be going in an unfortunate situation. And his sleuth
>skills have called out more than one troll who we definitely
>didn't need. And I think Diana Sue is a fabulous fitness
>inspiration to many of us. Just because we may not all agree
>on his political views doesn't, IMO call for us to make
>generalizations about him. (Amy- not trying to belittle your
>point of view either) I just think that when we get into
>matters that can become heated we should refrain from pointed
>comments as we know (we ARE an "educated crowd" afterall) that
>we will never all agree on these issues.
>
>Lorrie
Agreed Lorrie, that Bill has been a "balancing force" on this forum for quite a while. That is why I am so surprised that over the last few threads he threw out some not so nice comments and made generalizations.
I think Amy does have a point, Bill's post and his answer gave the appearance that it was meant to rattle some cages and start a controversy which I think is uncalled for and I don't understand why. If you talk about making generalizations, saying "I knew it would drive you leftwingers nuts", I would consider a generalization and a not very nice one.
Carola
RunnerGirl
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Just wondering.....? Are most people on the forum liberal or democrats?
LD
Just wondering.....? Are most people on the forum liberal or democrats?
LD
janiejoey
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I'm a democrat. And there are two sides to everything.
Janie
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I'm a democrat. And there are two sides to everything.
Janie
The idea is to die young as late as possible
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RunnerGirl
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Ok I am gonna take back my question. I know it could get a bit touchy. It should be more of an annoyamous sp? poll. oops, no offense meant.
LD
Ok I am gonna take back my question. I know it could get a bit touchy. It should be more of an annoyamous sp? poll. oops, no offense meant.
LD
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LOL Thanks Lorrie,
I just read it, agreed with it totally, and posted it. LOL I don't really care who said it originally. If it was Leno, I have more respect for his keen insight. I’ve been to Europe and have heard the spoiled kids comments directed towards Americans, and I agree.
No matter what your politics, it is food for thought…. Rather than trying to discredit who said it, if I was against what it said, I would try to discredit the content.
I enjoy hearing opposite views on things, and learning from those that show no malice, but it doesn’t always work out that way…. LOL
LOL Thanks Lorrie,
I just read it, agreed with it totally, and posted it. LOL I don't really care who said it originally. If it was Leno, I have more respect for his keen insight. I’ve been to Europe and have heard the spoiled kids comments directed towards Americans, and I agree.
No matter what your politics, it is food for thought…. Rather than trying to discredit who said it, if I was against what it said, I would try to discredit the content.
I enjoy hearing opposite views on things, and learning from those that show no malice, but it doesn’t always work out that way…. LOL
hiitdogs
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>>I enjoy hearing opposite views on things, and learning from
>those that show no malice, but it doesn’t always work out that
>way…. LOL
>
What is going on with you lately, Bill? No one has shown any malice and I thought the post were very well stated and nice, even though they were a different point of view than yours.
Contrary to what you said, the content was discredited in several of the posts.
"Show no malice"? How about, we ALL take that to heart. "I knew it would drive you leftwingers nuts" is not malicious????
Carola
>>I enjoy hearing opposite views on things, and learning from
>those that show no malice, but it doesn’t always work out that
>way…. LOL
>
What is going on with you lately, Bill? No one has shown any malice and I thought the post were very well stated and nice, even though they were a different point of view than yours.
Contrary to what you said, the content was discredited in several of the posts.
"Show no malice"? How about, we ALL take that to heart. "I knew it would drive you leftwingers nuts" is not malicious????
Carola
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"Contrary to what you said, the content was discredited in several of the posts."
(Maybe who said it, but NOT the content, not at all!)
I sure don't consider the liberal ran "Snopes" a reliable source of information.
Whew, glad I checked Snopes. I was thinking, surely Jay Leno can't be this freaky??
(so anyone who agrees is “Freaky”)
C'mon Bill, how about more fun, less trying to rile up the liberals? Or is trying to rile up liberals what you do for fun? If so, I have a message for my fellow liberals: Don't give him the satisfaction! It's not worth it!
(Assumptions) (I posted my reason for posting this)
(Then I made the “I knew this would drive you left wingers nuts” comment. I could have said wild, crazy, or a lot of other words, but that’s a faze I use often, oops my bad.)
I am so surprised that over the last few threads he threw out some “not so nice” comments and made generalizations.
(Because you disagree)
Bill's post and his answer gave the appearance that it was meant to rattle some cages and start a controversy which I think is uncalled for and I don't understand why.
(That it was meant to rattle????) (Where did I say that?) Hmmmmmm………. LOL
"Contrary to what you said, the content was discredited in several of the posts."
(Maybe who said it, but NOT the content, not at all!)
I sure don't consider the liberal ran "Snopes" a reliable source of information.
Whew, glad I checked Snopes. I was thinking, surely Jay Leno can't be this freaky??
(so anyone who agrees is “Freaky”)
C'mon Bill, how about more fun, less trying to rile up the liberals? Or is trying to rile up liberals what you do for fun? If so, I have a message for my fellow liberals: Don't give him the satisfaction! It's not worth it!
(Assumptions) (I posted my reason for posting this)
(Then I made the “I knew this would drive you left wingers nuts” comment. I could have said wild, crazy, or a lot of other words, but that’s a faze I use often, oops my bad.)
I am so surprised that over the last few threads he threw out some “not so nice” comments and made generalizations.
(Because you disagree)
Bill's post and his answer gave the appearance that it was meant to rattle some cages and start a controversy which I think is uncalled for and I don't understand why.
(That it was meant to rattle????) (Where did I say that?) Hmmmmmm………. LOL
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Very wise Mocha Yoda..........LOL
hiitdogs
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>"Contrary to what you said, the content was discredited in
>several of the posts."
>(Maybe who said it, but NOT the content, not at all!)
Oh yes, it was discredited by my original post as well as Nancy's post in substance. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it is not there. I chose to only go into the what other nations think about Americans because I do think I have some insight into that. I still have family and friends all over Europe. And the claim that other nations disdain Americans because we are spoiled brats and keep complaining, is simply not true. It is our current president who alienated the Western Nations with his lack of diplomacy and it's my way or the highway attitude.
I could have gone into the other inaccuracies of this "article" but it would have been so time consuming to respond to every inaccuracy in this article that I rather have Cathe kick my butt with a good workout.
>Whew, glad I checked Snopes. I was thinking, surely Jay Leno
>can't be this freaky??
(so anyone who agrees is freaky?)
No, just anyone who comes up with a partisan rant like that! Jay Leno is a little more down to Earth and a little more educated than whoever produced this work.
>C'mon Bill, how about more fun, less trying to rile up the
>liberals? Or is trying to rile up liberals what you do for
>fun? If so, I have a message for my fellow liberals: Don't
>give him the satisfaction! It's not worth it!
(Assumptions) (I posted my reason for posting this)
Must have missed your reasons in any of the posts!
>
>(Then I made the “I knew this would drive you left wingers
>nuts” comment. I could have said wild, crazy, or a lot of
>other words, but that’s a faze I use often, oops my bad.)
>
It wouldn't have changed one thing had you said I knew this would drive you left wingers crazy, wild, etc. I find it just as offensive. All it shows, is a lack of respect for everyone who does not share your opinion or political affiliation.
>
>I am so surprised that over the last few threads he threw out
>some “not so nice” comments and made generalizations.
>(Because you disagree)
>
No, not because I disagree! I have no problem to agree that I disagree. I have no problem discussing politics or any other subject as long as it is respectful and based on facts. I let people have their opinion as long as they don't attack me for having a different opinion. In the last several threads you called me an exhibitionist who doesn't teach her kids modesty and decency, and only because YOU DISAGREE with whatever it is I am doing. I have NEVER called your morals into question or made any derogative remarks just because I disagree with you. That together with the "leftwinger" comment, your overall superiority demeanor (at least in my opinion) and several other comments that you made towards other people (which I am not going into because I don't want to draw attention to it and embarrass them)makes me wonder what happened to you.
>
>Bill's post and his answer gave the appearance that it was
>meant to rattle some cages and start a controversy which I
>think is uncalled for and I don't understand why.
>(That it was meant to rattle????) (Where did I say that?)
>Hmmmmmm………. LOL
THERE IT IS AGAIN, SUPERIORITY DEMEANOR!
Where did you say it? Ahem, "I KNEW it would drive you left wingers nuts". If you know it will drive someone nuts, why say it? Other than rattling the cage and stir up a controversy?
>
The fact that this thing was written by someone who didn't have the guts to put his name to it and instead had to take a few sentences that Jay Leno said out of context and pretend the whole thing was written by Jay Leno proves to me that the guy knows he is wrong. I don't find anything that is built on deceipt to be "food for thought", for this to be food for thought, it would have to be genuine and not partisan gagglediguck. As far as I am concerned, if someone has something to say and they want to be taken seriously, they'll need to be able to put their name to it and not pretend someone else said it, in order to give it the appearance of legitimacy.
You have been amazing in pointing out trolls and inconsistencies, in the past you have been very ademant about accuracy, so why is it, that you are not all over this guy who is producing an article which is full of inaccuracies, but let's pretend the only inaccuracy was that this was NOT written by Jay Leno. Because it is okay to be deceiptful as long as they are on your side of the political spectrum?? (I am not assuming, it is a question).
Well, I hope some of this give you some food for thought and have a good night!
Carola
>"Contrary to what you said, the content was discredited in
>several of the posts."
>(Maybe who said it, but NOT the content, not at all!)
Oh yes, it was discredited by my original post as well as Nancy's post in substance. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it is not there. I chose to only go into the what other nations think about Americans because I do think I have some insight into that. I still have family and friends all over Europe. And the claim that other nations disdain Americans because we are spoiled brats and keep complaining, is simply not true. It is our current president who alienated the Western Nations with his lack of diplomacy and it's my way or the highway attitude.
I could have gone into the other inaccuracies of this "article" but it would have been so time consuming to respond to every inaccuracy in this article that I rather have Cathe kick my butt with a good workout.
>Whew, glad I checked Snopes. I was thinking, surely Jay Leno
>can't be this freaky??
(so anyone who agrees is freaky?)
No, just anyone who comes up with a partisan rant like that! Jay Leno is a little more down to Earth and a little more educated than whoever produced this work.
>C'mon Bill, how about more fun, less trying to rile up the
>liberals? Or is trying to rile up liberals what you do for
>fun? If so, I have a message for my fellow liberals: Don't
>give him the satisfaction! It's not worth it!
(Assumptions) (I posted my reason for posting this)
Must have missed your reasons in any of the posts!
>
>(Then I made the “I knew this would drive you left wingers
>nuts” comment. I could have said wild, crazy, or a lot of
>other words, but that’s a faze I use often, oops my bad.)
>
It wouldn't have changed one thing had you said I knew this would drive you left wingers crazy, wild, etc. I find it just as offensive. All it shows, is a lack of respect for everyone who does not share your opinion or political affiliation.
>
>I am so surprised that over the last few threads he threw out
>some “not so nice” comments and made generalizations.
>(Because you disagree)
>
No, not because I disagree! I have no problem to agree that I disagree. I have no problem discussing politics or any other subject as long as it is respectful and based on facts. I let people have their opinion as long as they don't attack me for having a different opinion. In the last several threads you called me an exhibitionist who doesn't teach her kids modesty and decency, and only because YOU DISAGREE with whatever it is I am doing. I have NEVER called your morals into question or made any derogative remarks just because I disagree with you. That together with the "leftwinger" comment, your overall superiority demeanor (at least in my opinion) and several other comments that you made towards other people (which I am not going into because I don't want to draw attention to it and embarrass them)makes me wonder what happened to you.
>
>Bill's post and his answer gave the appearance that it was
>meant to rattle some cages and start a controversy which I
>think is uncalled for and I don't understand why.
>(That it was meant to rattle????) (Where did I say that?)
>Hmmmmmm………. LOL
THERE IT IS AGAIN, SUPERIORITY DEMEANOR!
Where did you say it? Ahem, "I KNEW it would drive you left wingers nuts". If you know it will drive someone nuts, why say it? Other than rattling the cage and stir up a controversy?
>
The fact that this thing was written by someone who didn't have the guts to put his name to it and instead had to take a few sentences that Jay Leno said out of context and pretend the whole thing was written by Jay Leno proves to me that the guy knows he is wrong. I don't find anything that is built on deceipt to be "food for thought", for this to be food for thought, it would have to be genuine and not partisan gagglediguck. As far as I am concerned, if someone has something to say and they want to be taken seriously, they'll need to be able to put their name to it and not pretend someone else said it, in order to give it the appearance of legitimacy.
You have been amazing in pointing out trolls and inconsistencies, in the past you have been very ademant about accuracy, so why is it, that you are not all over this guy who is producing an article which is full of inaccuracies, but let's pretend the only inaccuracy was that this was NOT written by Jay Leno. Because it is okay to be deceiptful as long as they are on your side of the political spectrum?? (I am not assuming, it is a question).
Well, I hope some of this give you some food for thought and have a good night!
Carola
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LOL "article which is full of inaccuracies" in your opinion. My experience is first hand as far as what the Europeans think of us, and again I agree with them. Neither you nor anyone else in this post proved the comments to be false, that would be hard because they are on the mark. Again I care less on who put the words down; it’s the content that is truth! Sleep on that one………
LOL "article which is full of inaccuracies" in your opinion. My experience is first hand as far as what the Europeans think of us, and again I agree with them. Neither you nor anyone else in this post proved the comments to be false, that would be hard because they are on the mark. Again I care less on who put the words down; it’s the content that is truth! Sleep on that one………
hiitdogs
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>LOL "article which is full of inaccuracies" in your opinion.
>My experience is first hand as far as what the Europeans think
>of us, and again I agree with them.
And because it is your opinion that it is accurate, it must be accurate? And obviously your intellect and opinion is superior to mine???? Why? You haven't proven anything either! You have just thrown out an article with bunch of statements, where is the proof??
Oh, you have first hand-experience with Europeans?? :7 :7 How much time did you spend there? A couple of days, a couple of weeks? That certainly makes you an expert that I probably can't match }(! I have only lived in several parts of Europe for 30 years and still have friends and family there that I correspond with on a weekly basis and I do speak the language (several of those languages actually). Did you read the paper over there, watch the news, see the anti-Bush demonstrations??? No offense, but I think my knowledge about the European mindset is a little more first-hand than yours
Eyeyey, Bill! I guess people believe whatever they want to believe. I chose to believe facts, not partisan gagglediguck from either side of the aisle and yes, I do look at who writes articles and deceiptful people like this "author" don't sit well with me. But whatever floats your boat, Bill.
I don't need to sleep on that, Bill. The truth is always in the eye of the beholder. My truth may not be your truth and vice versa.
The impression I get, is, that you don't seem to be the least bit interested in a discussion or exchange of opinions, you just want to be right and in your own words want to drive the left wingers nuts. Lovely!
ETA:
There are hundreds of pages all over the Internet as to what Europeans think of Americans, here is only one example from an interview that was published at the University of Heidelberg, Germany
Herr Professor Junker, Herr Lautenschläger, in Deutschland hört man oft den Satz: Ich habe nichts gegen die USA, nur gegen Bush. Die Amtszeit des US-Präsidenten endet in zwei Jahren. Wird das transatlantische Verhältnis dann wieder besser?
Translation:
Professor Junker, Mr. Lautenschlaeger, in Germany we often hear: I don't have anything against the USA, only against President Bush. His presidency will end in two years from now. Do you think the transatlantic relationship will improve with his departure?
Here is the link
http://www.hca.uni-heidelberg.de/de/?q=node/view/311
I can give you a whole bunch of them (and not only from Germany) but it would overextend the scope of this forum.
Have a wonderful night!
Carola
>LOL "article which is full of inaccuracies" in your opinion.
>My experience is first hand as far as what the Europeans think
>of us, and again I agree with them.
And because it is your opinion that it is accurate, it must be accurate? And obviously your intellect and opinion is superior to mine???? Why? You haven't proven anything either! You have just thrown out an article with bunch of statements, where is the proof??
Oh, you have first hand-experience with Europeans?? :7 :7 How much time did you spend there? A couple of days, a couple of weeks? That certainly makes you an expert that I probably can't match }(! I have only lived in several parts of Europe for 30 years and still have friends and family there that I correspond with on a weekly basis and I do speak the language (several of those languages actually). Did you read the paper over there, watch the news, see the anti-Bush demonstrations??? No offense, but I think my knowledge about the European mindset is a little more first-hand than yours
Eyeyey, Bill! I guess people believe whatever they want to believe. I chose to believe facts, not partisan gagglediguck from either side of the aisle and yes, I do look at who writes articles and deceiptful people like this "author" don't sit well with me. But whatever floats your boat, Bill.
I don't need to sleep on that, Bill. The truth is always in the eye of the beholder. My truth may not be your truth and vice versa.
The impression I get, is, that you don't seem to be the least bit interested in a discussion or exchange of opinions, you just want to be right and in your own words want to drive the left wingers nuts. Lovely!
ETA:
There are hundreds of pages all over the Internet as to what Europeans think of Americans, here is only one example from an interview that was published at the University of Heidelberg, Germany
Herr Professor Junker, Herr Lautenschläger, in Deutschland hört man oft den Satz: Ich habe nichts gegen die USA, nur gegen Bush. Die Amtszeit des US-Präsidenten endet in zwei Jahren. Wird das transatlantische Verhältnis dann wieder besser?
Translation:
Professor Junker, Mr. Lautenschlaeger, in Germany we often hear: I don't have anything against the USA, only against President Bush. His presidency will end in two years from now. Do you think the transatlantic relationship will improve with his departure?
Here is the link
http://www.hca.uni-heidelberg.de/de/?q=node/view/311
I can give you a whole bunch of them (and not only from Germany) but it would overextend the scope of this forum.
Have a wonderful night!
Carola
janiejoey
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Some very heated discussions here tonight. Very interesting.
I don't know the subject very well to comment, but you both are on fire.
Perhaps a swim with me in the pool? Lots of room, has your names in it. Very cool and refreshing.
Don't hate me cause I'm cool. Get it, cool in the pool....
Heck, take a dip then sleep it off. You'll be calm by tomorrow. I think.
Janie
The idea is to die young as late as possible
www.picturetrail.com/janiejoey
Some very heated discussions here tonight. Very interesting.
I don't know the subject very well to comment, but you both are on fire.
Perhaps a swim with me in the pool? Lots of room, has your names in it. Very cool and refreshing.
Don't hate me cause I'm cool. Get it, cool in the pool....
Heck, take a dip then sleep it off. You'll be calm by tomorrow. I think.
Janie
The idea is to die young as late as possible
www.picturetrail.com/janiejoey
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Here's an email I got recently. John Wayne wrote it:
Y'all better stop yer complainin' (you nasty l*berals!), cause you got no right! Y'all have everything you could ever want so shut yer mouths and let God's people run this country! Ifin you don't, God's gonna git real mad at ya and (interject fear tactic of your choice here). Alls ya got to remember is that our president is The Decider and that's all there is to it, partner! Shut up you complainin' brats, you got everything you need and other people are starvin' in other places of the world I don't care to learn about (never mind we're too tied up in a war to help them)!
Fox news Rules!
Carolyn
Here's an email I got recently. John Wayne wrote it:
Y'all better stop yer complainin' (you nasty l*berals!), cause you got no right! Y'all have everything you could ever want so shut yer mouths and let God's people run this country! Ifin you don't, God's gonna git real mad at ya and (interject fear tactic of your choice here). Alls ya got to remember is that our president is The Decider and that's all there is to it, partner! Shut up you complainin' brats, you got everything you need and other people are starvin' in other places of the world I don't care to learn about (never mind we're too tied up in a war to help them)!
Fox news Rules!
Carolyn
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See that's why I liked John Wayne so much....
For Carola:
Sehen, das ist, warum ich John Wayne so sehr mochte....
Voir qui est pourquoi j'ai aimé John Wayne tellement....
Ver que es porqué tuve gusto de Juan Wayne tanto....
Vedere che ecco perché ho gradetto John Wayne così tanto....
Ich war dort länger als einige Tage….
See that's why I liked John Wayne so much....
For Carola:
Sehen, das ist, warum ich John Wayne so sehr mochte....
Voir qui est pourquoi j'ai aimé John Wayne tellement....
Ver que es porqué tuve gusto de Juan Wayne tanto....
Vedere che ecco perché ho gradetto John Wayne così tanto....
Ich war dort länger als einige Tage….