Got my TIMESAVER DVD
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lainiefig
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Tamrahan
Cathlete
Oh TeTe, The Last of the Mohicans is my favorite movie of all time. Love Daniel Day Lewis and Eric Schweig in this both are as you say HAWT.
Tami, I am aware of all but the last of those issues. However, I don't consider any of them discrimination (or reverse discrimination). I consider them social justice. While my town is 48% AA, in an FD of 47 firefighters, only one of them is black. We are actively recruiting minorities. Why dont' they score as high on tests? It's called cultural bias. Since this post is already obscenely long, maybe you can google it so I don't have to explain it any further than I already did.
When an AA grows up in a poor neighborhood, attends a school where there's one textbook per classroom, as opposed to a white who grows up in an affluent neighborhood, gets her own textbook & sometimes even a laptop to take home w/her, then you do not have equal opportunity. My brother is a HS teacher in north Philly, he said almost all of his students live in single parent homes on some kind of public assistance. Some of them are even homeless & living out of a car. It's a wonder they even make it to school every day. Just curious, what kind of neighborhood did you grow up in? Did you get your own school books? Did you have 3 square meals on your table every day? Did you have your own clothes, & enough to wear something different 5 days a week, that didn't come from the Goodwill or a hand me down? Did you have parents who supported you? Did have role models who didn't sell drugs or were professional athletes?
That's why affirmative action is OK from my perspective. BTW, I didn't get into a PhD program in the late 90s, while 3 of my fellow AA classmates who had much lower GPAs than I did were accepted. You know what? I was fine w/it. Disappointed I didn't get to follow my dream, but glad they got the opportunity to follow theirs.
Sparrow, Colin's OK, but can we please have more pics of Mr. Bale? Thank you in advance.
I find your remarks a tad bit elitist.
Are we supposed to believe that only minorities are poor, homeless or living in bad neighborhoods, and selling drugs? In my city we have these issues across the board, including Caucasians.
I get steamed when I hear about Affirmative Action. If we are all equal, why not equal opportunity for all? It's up to the individual to rise above their circumstances and make good choices. That has nothing to do with race. I was raised poor, wearing thrift store finds, and eating lots of mac-n-cheese. I had no special education or opportuinty to get one. I was never handed a college education. But guess what? I worked my tail off, saved my money, bought my first home when I was 19, then worked my way up at my job to the point that I was earning as much as the other educated higher ups who were doing the same job that I was, all while raising 2 kids as a single mom. BTW, I was passed over for promotions 2 times only because I was white and the company needed to "diversify" the employee pool.
And why shouldn't you have been given the opportunity to follow your dream if you worked hard and had the higher GPA? As far as education goes, perhaps we should be looking at a National Education Program instead of a National Health Care plan.
Michelle
LauraMax
Cathlete
Elitist? Seriously? ROTFLMAO! Please tell me specifically HOW my post was elitist? I find your remarks a tad bit ignorant & self-centered.
No, we're not supposed to assume that, & I don't believe I ever implied it. In fact, over 95% of Americans on public assistance are white. That doesn't change the fact that minorities have been discriminated against by whites for the 400+ years this country has been in existence. Now for maybe one or two decades the govmt has been doing something to elevate their education & conditions & whites cry foul.
We are not all equal. When a poor community is spending about $3-4K on each student's education, while an affluent community is spending upwards of $30K on each student's education, how can you possibly call that equal????????
I was raised poor too, & I have stories that would make your hair raise, but I'm not going into them b/c their personal & nobody's business but my own. It hasn't stopped me from looking at the world objectively & recognizing that some people need more help than others b/c of unequal conditions, rather than look at the world from an egocentric, selfish perspective.
OK, now, re. the hot guys, please refrain from posting pics of men w/ruffles around their throats & keep the trend shirtless only. Nothing like a little juice first thing in the morning.
Elitist? Seriously? ROTFLMAO! Please tell me specifically HOW my post was elitist? I find your remarks a tad bit ignorant & self-centered.
No, we're not supposed to assume that, & I don't believe I ever implied it. In fact, over 95% of Americans on public assistance are white. That doesn't change the fact that minorities have been discriminated against by whites for the 400+ years this country has been in existence. Now for maybe one or two decades the govmt has been doing something to elevate their education & conditions & whites cry foul.
We are not all equal. When a poor community is spending about $3-4K on each student's education, while an affluent community is spending upwards of $30K on each student's education, how can you possibly call that equal????????
I was raised poor too, & I have stories that would make your hair raise, but I'm not going into them b/c their personal & nobody's business but my own. It hasn't stopped me from looking at the world objectively & recognizing that some people need more help than others b/c of unequal conditions, rather than look at the world from an egocentric, selfish perspective.
OK, now, re. the hot guys, please refrain from posting pics of men w/ruffles around their throats & keep the trend shirtless only. Nothing like a little juice first thing in the morning.
I'm not sure that sharing info about myself is selfish but if you think so, so be it. I find a lot of your posts aren't very objective, bullish and rude. My point to you was not all poor people are minorities raised by single mom drug dealers as you implied. Also, even if you are poor, you can still make a good life for yourself. You seem to have done well for yourself despite your not achieving your dream.
I guess you missed my point in all your anger. I believe discrimination is all around no matter what your race, religion or gender is. I am not convinced we will ever all live in perfect harmony.
Back to the original posters point, I am happy to have experienced a lot of different cultures while my dad was in the Navy and now in my own home town. However, I do believe that we need something to unite us. That would be a common language we can all communicate with each other in and a common pride in the country we live in.
I think it's time to move beyond the past, the name calling and bullying, the anger, and try to respect each other's differences.
Michelle
LauraMax
Cathlete
Oh OK, now you're personally attacking me. Typical for someone on the losing side of an argument. So, just so we're clear, you have no specifics re. why you thought my post was elitist (I'm sorry, was that YOU name calling, being angry, bullish & rude?
). I don't remember any of your posts (probably there's a reason for that), however on one of the rare occasions you do post YOU were angry, & YOU were rude, & YOU insulted ME. But I suppose it's OK for you--evidently you get to set rules that you don't have to follow. Not that it's hypocritical or anything. I'm not angry at all, although I do confess an intolerance for intolerance. I think you missed my point about selfishness--my point was that your world view is totally biased by your own experiences, & that you appear to be unaware of this, & that therefore your world view is egocentric. Get it now?
I suppose it'd be easy for someone whose great grandfather wasn't a slave or whose grandfather wasn't strung up by a lynch mob or whose parents didn't have to sit in the back of the bus or the back row of a movie theater or use separate water fountains & weren't allowed to eat in restaurants or VOTE to "move beyond the past, the name calling and bullying, the anger, and try to respect each other's differences."
Wait, I'm confused........your dad was in the Navy, you traveled around the world, but you were poor, wore thrift store clothes & ate mac & cheese every day? Hmmmmmmmmm.......
Still love this pic........
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Beavs
Cathlete
Actually Laura there are people in the armed forced who do indeed have to rely on public assistance. I knew a few folks who chose to live in Mexico and commute to base in the states so that they could afford to feed their families. I have to say I was pretty shocked bit over the past few years, listening the news I have learned a few things about our government shirking its duty to our armed forces. It's not all manicured lawns at West Point and cocktails at the Officers' club.
marnold
Cathlete
Thanks Beavs. This comment hit a nerve as a veteran. We are hardly well paid or "rich" during our service to the American people. I do not appreciate people who assume that service members are overpaid or even paid enough for their service. Many times over the last few years, I have thought that our volunteer service should be mandatory for 2 years for ALL children coming out of high school. Maybe then, EVERYBODY would know a little something about not only service but something outside hometown America. Okay...jumping off my box now. Whew.
LauraMax
Cathlete
WHOA! Where on earth did I say "rich" or "overpaid?" Please do not put words in my mouth. As I said, I have many family members in the military & I know it's not a luxurious lifestyle.
But it isn't thrift store & mac & cheese either.
I really wanted to stay out of this, and I'll probably regret this, but...
The difference between one-on-one racial discrimination against whites by minorities is that no matter what a non-white person calls a white person, and no matter how mean and hurtful it may be, it isn't backed up by institutionalized racism. White people designed our government for the benefit of other white people, and many government institutions continue to utterly fail all non-white minorities. And also women.
The reason affirmative action isn't "reverse discrimination" is because it doesn't even come close to leveling the playing field for non-whites. White Privilege totally outweighs Affirmative Action.
Individual experiences vary - but on the whole, I just don't see a lot of overprivileged Black, Native American, Latino/a people trying to make life difficult for white people. It's not fair to tell people whose lives are still impacted by the legacies of slavery and Jim Crow to "let the past be the past".
Are there any women on this board who haven't noticed the effects of male privilege? It's not quite the same, but it's similar. And is the work for women's equality done? Should we forget about fighting for the right to vote and to have equal pay for equal work because it happened in the past?
The difference between one-on-one racial discrimination against whites by minorities is that no matter what a non-white person calls a white person, and no matter how mean and hurtful it may be, it isn't backed up by institutionalized racism. White people designed our government for the benefit of other white people, and many government institutions continue to utterly fail all non-white minorities. And also women.
The reason affirmative action isn't "reverse discrimination" is because it doesn't even come close to leveling the playing field for non-whites. White Privilege totally outweighs Affirmative Action.
Individual experiences vary - but on the whole, I just don't see a lot of overprivileged Black, Native American, Latino/a people trying to make life difficult for white people. It's not fair to tell people whose lives are still impacted by the legacies of slavery and Jim Crow to "let the past be the past".
Are there any women on this board who haven't noticed the effects of male privilege? It's not quite the same, but it's similar. And is the work for women's equality done? Should we forget about fighting for the right to vote and to have equal pay for equal work because it happened in the past?
marnold
Cathlete
I don't think you are aware of the income nor the quality of life...sometimes thrift stores and mac and cheese are a way of life. Please do not generalize based on your experiences. Many of the families I served with were supplemented with food stamps. Generalizations seem to be a common thread through this post and again, I do not appreciate a generalization which is just not true. Thanks in advance for your understanding.
marnold
Cathlete
Laura, I honestly did not want to post on this thread, but you indeed did make a poor generalization and I called you on it as you have called out others within this thread. Unless you have lived the life as a service member, I do not believe you can know the struggles financial or otherwise. Please do not assume that thrift stores and mac and cheese are not a reality for some service members. Thanks in advance for your consideration,
LauraMax
Cathlete
Sorry, but I think I am. I have 14 cousins in or retired from the Navy, 2 in the Army & 3 in the Marines. None of them are, nor have ever been, on food stamps. None of them are, nor have ever been, clothed in thrift store attire (although w/a family this size hand me downs are inevitable). Almost all of them had their college educations paid for, in addition to free housing & medical care for themselves, their spouses & their children. These are benefits most of the world does not get, although I think they're deserved benefits. Like I said, I don't think it's a country club, but I don't think it's low income living either.
Thank you in advance for not assuming what I do or do not know, and for interpreting my posts like a rational adult.
Excellent point, Afreet. Thanks for being a voice of reason.
marnold
Cathlete
Thanks for your consideration Laura. All the vets on this board will surely enjoy reading your kind words. Wow. And yes, I think I am quite rational and quite adult. But as always...you will be forever right and everyone else is forever wrong. I give up...you win.
And yes, I think I am quite rational and quite adult. But as always...you will be forever right and everyone else is forever wrong. I give up...you win.Sorry, but I think I am. I have 14 cousins in or retired from the Navy, 2 in the Army & 3 in the Marines. None of them are, nor have ever been, on food stamps. None of them are, nor have ever been, clothed in thrift store attire (although w/a family this size hand me downs are inevitable). Almost all of them had their college educations paid for, in addition to free housing & medical care for themselves, their spouses & their children. These are benefits most of the world does not get, although I think they're deserved benefits. Like I said, I don't think it's a country club, but I don't think it's low income living either.
Thank you in advance for not assuming what I do or do not know, and for interpreting my posts like a rational adult.
Excellent point, Afreet. Thanks for being a voice of reason.
LauraMax
Cathlete
Thanks for your consideration Laura. All the vets on this board will surely enjoy reading your kind words. Wow.
Melissa, can you please explain something to me? Can you tell me exactly what I've said that's so offensive to you, or to any active or retired military member? Other than pointing out they don't need to wear thrift store clothes & live off mac & cheese? Is there anything untrue in what I've written? I mean really, the sarcasm & patronizing tone of your posts is just...........wow.
Perhaps I should be the one thanking you for your kind words & consideration. I've never claimed or believed to be always right. I do, however, have the restraint to refrain from commenting when I know there's something about which I don't know. So I can see how someone might make that incorrect assumption.
LauraMax
Cathlete
Sorry Laura. I was trying to add to the conversation, as it is a valid point that many not as educated as yourself do not realize, but I should have know better than to bother. Have a nice day
No kidding? You were trying to add to a conversation without any references to bodily discharges or quotes from cartoon characters? Huh. Well, there's a first time for everything I guess. I appreciate the apology, you have a nice day too.