Baking bread

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Cathlete
I have recently started trying to bake bread. I am using the Healthy Bread in 5 Minutes a Day book. I am having issues getting the bread to have any oven spring when baking. This last batch of dough rose beautifully...this is so frustrating. I have been baking it in my Romertopf cooker, and I get a nice crust, bust a dense crumb and little oven spring. It may be due to using whole wheat flour, but I add vital wheat gluten to help with this. This is a no-knead method. Anyone have experience with this? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
I also bake breads from that cookbook and was fortunate enough to attend a cooking class with Jeff. I usually make the WW flax bread recipe and notice it is more dense & does not "spring" as much as when I make the basic white bread recipe from his first book Artisan Breads in 5 Minutes a Day. I bake my bread in the oven on a pizza stone and use the method of pouring a cup of hot water into a broiler pan underneath the stone. Have you tried emailing Jeff on his website? He is very responsive to questions and may have some ideas for you.

Happy Baking:)
 
I might have to email him. It might just be that whole grains are not going to rise like white flour. I might have to invest in a good pizza stone or cloche.
 
Whole grain breads do not raise as high as white breads.

I have the "Artisan breads in 5 minutes a day" book and all of these have a very small amount of whole grain and that's why the oven spring is so high. If a recipe has more than fifty percent of whole grains, the loaf turns out a lot denser. If you do not like the consistency of the whole grain bread, just substitute some of the whole grain with white flour.
 
Whole grains definitely don't rise like white :( , but there could be other factors. Sometimes too much humidity will affect rising, as well. Do you happen to recall the weather on that particular day?
 
I live in southern LA, so it's always humid here. I've tried this on two different days.....I'm not sure what the problem is. I've contacted the authors of the book, and they are trying to help me figure it out. They think my dough might be too wet, so I may have to adjust the water content. I may attempt doing it the old fashioned way, actually kneading and punching the dough, and see what happens. I saw some good recipes in my Taste of Home cookbook.
 
I live in the south too, and the humidity is always a factor for me,which is why I asked. And if they're telling you that your dough may be too wet, then it again points to the humidity factor. I often have to put less liquid or more flour to account for the weather during baking. And my loaves are almost always higher rising, and just plain prettier in the winter months (when the humidity finally drops below 50%). I use the same recipes all throughout the year, but the bread/dough does not always look/act the same. You'd be amazed at how much moisture the dough can pull from the air. Especially breads that have whole grains (oat is even worse than wheat!), the longer they sit the more moisture they bring in.

It may help to just assume that that you need more flour than some recipes state. For instance, if I'm making bread from a King Arthur recipe, knowing that they are in VT and rarely deal w/the humidity that I do, makes me assume before even starting that I could probably omit up to 2T of liquid from the jump, and in the end, when the dough comes together during kneading, if it looks too wet at the end of kneading time, it probably is, and I can therefore add a bit more flour (1 T at a time till it looks right). So knowing where your recipe came from and was tested (vs where you are making it) does make a big difference.

Also, are you kneading in a bread maker? If not, you may want to give it a try if you have one. The longer kneading cycle is perfect for whole grain doughs (it's about 20 min of kneading on mine), just throw the ingredients in on the "dough" cycle, then shape and bake in the regular oven. Sometimes a dough may look too wet to me @ about 5-7 minutes into the kneading, but by 15-18, it's looking much better. I usually wait until just those last few minutes to decide if I need to add more flour or not. Since discovering this, I only use this method for kneading whole grain doughs, my Kitchen Aid would be obsolete if not for angel food cakes, lol (and the ability to walk away during creaming butter and sugar in making pound cakes :eek: , whipping up desserts, and other things I probably shouldn't be making in the first place)

ETA: I make all of my family's bread products from scratch (and I make them using whole grains, which I grind myself), and have for almost a decade. We don't need to buy sandwich bread, hot dog/hamburger buns, dinner rolls, cinnamon rolls :eek: , pizza, etc. It can be frustrating at first, and I pray that your family is as tolerable w/you as mine was w/me while I learned because it is SO gratifying when you finally "get" it. Good luck!
 
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I've found that kneading is very important for whole grain breads as that is what develops the gluten. I do my bread in a kitchen-aid mixer and let it knead for at least 10 minutes. I have to babysit it, though, because the bowl will flip off when kneading stiffer dough. I used to get bricks when I kneaded by hand--although it's a GREAT tricep workout!:p
 
Elsie:: that is SO true, lol. I was using my KA before too, and would knead for 10-15 minutes as well. That thing would be about to rock right off the counter! :eek: LOL Then I read in the King Arthur Whole Grain Baking book about using the bread maker instead of the stand mixer to help develop the gluten through longer kneading. Worked like a charm, and brought the bread machine back out of retirement, ;) lol ( I hate baking bread in them, I only ever use the dough cycle - but it feels sooo good to be able to walk away from the dough and just come back when it beeps 1.5 hours later - and just shape, rise, and bake) I'd used the bread machine before for doughs, but not consistently (as the KA sits on the counter, and bread maker is in hall closet, it was just more convenient to use the mixer). It really made the difference for me. Although, if you don't have a bread maker, that mixer is definitely better than hand kneading :eek: , talk about a workout!

But, DH isn't too excited that the $5 thrift store bread machine gets more used than the $$$ mixer I begged for, for Mother's Day all those years ago, lol. :eek:
 
Agreed:

I also fined kneading longer with whole grain breads help a lot. It truly does develop gluten as you do this. Still will be more dense than using white flour. Knead until you reach failure. LOL:D Try for 15-20 min.

Janie
 
I have been baking bread for years...and one thing I learned when I first started out.... baking bread is an art and you have to keep on trying at it to find out what is the perfect mix of ingredients, kneading, oven temp, baking time....I went through a lot of dough :D and wasted a lot to finally come up with just the perfect loaf. I did the exact thing the recipe said, but what made it work is to simply work and work at it...to get that great loaf. Then i got to the point where I could just feel the dough and know what it needed and whether it was right or not...


good luck.
 
This is a no-knead method, so I add vital wheat gluten to the flour mixture to help with gluten formation. I have contacted the authors of the book, and they are trying to help me out. They've given me a suggestion at to how to bake it, so I will try that tomorrow. We'll see what happens. I would really like to master this technique so that I could make many things besides bread.
 

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