Anyone going to see The passion of the Christ?
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candi
Cathlete
Bobbi, hope you don't mind. I get shivers everytime I hear this.
Imagine all the people
living for today...
Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...
Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.
Imagine all the people
living for today...
Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...
Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.
jacqued
Cathlete
Connie: I agree with everything you said. I myself am a born again Christian. You have every right to express your opinion. No one seems to take offense to those who share their views that aren't christian. But as soon as a christian replies we're suddenly viewed as preaching or proselyting. And Bobbi, no offense here but I'm afraid you're in for a rude awakening when you die and stand before the true and living God. "Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord Forever". Whether you believe that or not is irrelevant. It's the irrefutable truth.
daisyheather
Cathlete
Just one comment...
Bobbi: I had to chuckle at your statment than Jesus was a Jew and not a Christian. Of course you're correct in a way he was from the line of David, but Christian just means "little Christ" or "follower of Christ". So by very definition he is at the heart of the word Christian. I think he would be a Messianic Jew by today's lingo. Heather
Bobbi: I had to chuckle at your statment than Jesus was a Jew and not a Christian. Of course you're correct in a way he was from the line of David, but Christian just means "little Christ" or "follower of Christ". So by very definition he is at the heart of the word Christian. I think he would be a Messianic Jew by today's lingo. Heather
Tricia Haley
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TO FUNNY A-JOCK, ALTHOUTH I AM GOING TO SEE IT THE MOVIE. I ALSO AGREE, JIM IS SO EEEEEEASY TO LOOK AT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY HUSBAND ALWAYS SAYS, " YOUR MAN IS ON TALKING ABOUT THE PASSION" DID YOU EVER SEE THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO (SP)? THAT WAS A GREAT MOVIE AND HE LOOKED AMAZING.
THANKS FOR THE CHUCKLE
TRICIA HALEY
MY HUSBAND ALWAYS SAYS, " YOUR MAN IS ON TALKING ABOUT THE PASSION" DID YOU EVER SEE THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO (SP)? THAT WAS A GREAT MOVIE AND HE LOOKED AMAZING. THANKS FOR THE CHUCKLE
TRICIA HALEY
Tricia Haley
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"Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord Forever". Whether you believe that or not is irrelevant. It's the irrefutable truth.
I AGREE ALSO! TRICIA HALEY
I AGREE ALSO! TRICIA HALEY
Aquajock
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Hi, Tricia! Thanks for the nod - it's good to find another James-O-Phile in the house!
I did see "The Count of Monte Cristo", as well as "Frequency", a really different and very sweet movie with JC and Dennis Quaid. If you're a Jamesian you've gotta see "Frequency" as well.
Caviezel is an interesting guy; apparently he too is a devout Catholic (or another mainstream Christian denomination) and pointedly refuses to film love scenes of even the most innocuous sort because it conflicts with his beliefs about marriage and fidelity.
My brother is a film critic, and I'm waiting for him to weigh in before I make any decisions to see "Passion" in the theater or not. The early reviews have been all over the map, but many noted critics seem to be saying that it is an exceptionally violent film with not enough redemption of story or faith. "The Greatest Gory Ever Told", I think is one critique title.
A-Jock
I did see "The Count of Monte Cristo", as well as "Frequency", a really different and very sweet movie with JC and Dennis Quaid. If you're a Jamesian you've gotta see "Frequency" as well.
Caviezel is an interesting guy; apparently he too is a devout Catholic (or another mainstream Christian denomination) and pointedly refuses to film love scenes of even the most innocuous sort because it conflicts with his beliefs about marriage and fidelity.
My brother is a film critic, and I'm waiting for him to weigh in before I make any decisions to see "Passion" in the theater or not. The early reviews have been all over the map, but many noted critics seem to be saying that it is an exceptionally violent film with not enough redemption of story or faith. "The Greatest Gory Ever Told", I think is one critique title.
A-Jock
But as soon as a christian replies
>we're suddenly viewed as preaching or proselyting. And Bobbi,
>no offense here but I'm afraid you're in for a rude awakening
>when you die and stand before the true and living God. "Every
>knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus
>Christ is Lord Forever". Whether you believe that or not is
>irrelevant. It's the irrefutable truth.
You are entitled to say what you wish. I am entitled to say that this post is insulting.
>we're suddenly viewed as preaching or proselyting. And Bobbi,
>no offense here but I'm afraid you're in for a rude awakening
>when you die and stand before the true and living God. "Every
>knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus
>Christ is Lord Forever". Whether you believe that or not is
>irrelevant. It's the irrefutable truth.
You are entitled to say what you wish. I am entitled to say that this post is insulting.
Aquajock
Cathlete
Right with ya on that one, Taco.
A few weeks ago as I was walking to my office, this middle aged freak in a business suit stops me and tells me to start praying to Jesus to get the demons out of my soul and the hair back on my head (which I lost last year in a bout with alopecia). I didn't know if I should call a cop or a crisis unit ambulance for this guy.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, "Lord, protect me from your followers."
A-Jock
A few weeks ago as I was walking to my office, this middle aged freak in a business suit stops me and tells me to start praying to Jesus to get the demons out of my soul and the hair back on my head (which I lost last year in a bout with alopecia). I didn't know if I should call a cop or a crisis unit ambulance for this guy.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, "Lord, protect me from your followers."
A-Jock
momto2bratz
Cathlete
Like the rules at the bar.."Never talk politics or religion". Oh how true that is...It brings out the best in people ..LOL
Bobbi
Cathlete
From the Greek, Christ means, to annoint. You know, Heather, I think I am getting way too serious about this! Connie reminded me that my own much loved family are a bunch of well-intentioned Baptists and a better bunch you will not meet! Barbara, who started this matzoh brie, is an angel. So far no one has burned a cross on my front yard, so I might have been a little reactive! Can you believe that of me! Good heaven's no! LOL! Really, it's quite extraordinary that a subtitled film in Aramaic has played to packed houses and standing ovations, when at first finding, a distributor seemed difficult, lol!
I was lamenting the fact that there was nothing much going on in the forums of late and now I am getting email notifications out the wazoo! Don't mind my big-mouthed opinionated self. I mean no harm! My oldest daughter describes herself as Jewishtian and has friends who are mostly from inter-faith families like her own. And whether I like it or not, I remain influenced by my own Judeo-Christian background to a large extent. I have been something of an amatuer theologian for some time and for someone who has become agnostic, I certainly read about God and Christ quite a bit. I should problably convert to Judaism to simplify my life. The name "Israel" means "to struggle with God" and I struggle with God. At the very least, I consider God to be a divine spark in all human beings. Which is why I am not an atheist. I want "God" as a force to unify mankind. Underline unify. Barring that, I would indeed abolish religion. September 11, 2001 was the clincher for me, by the way. I stood and looked at the extraordinary heaven's and wept, "Where are You?" and I realized that we are alone except for every human on the planet! Do you remember when Jerry Fallwell blamed it all on gays and feminists? I was thinking Gandhi and Hitler are in hell. Jerry's going to Heaven? But what I had studied said that God had sent Jesus to intercede on our behalf, God having separated Himself from us. And yet, because of feminists and gays, He decided not to intervene and allowed the wicked and the innocent to die as he did so often in the Old Testament? He was forever smoting the wicked and the innocent in the Old Testament. LOL! At that point, I realized what I had always known in my doubting heart, that Christianity was a mythology like the Greek and Roman mythologies I had loved and read as a child. I believe in evolution and I was ticked off that I'd been snowed from childhood. I came to embrace the Eastern religions, reincarnation in the sense that it all gets recycled. The water here is the same recycled water from the beginning of time, billions of years ago. Because humans want a purpose, we created religion and it has been a blessing and a curse. Perhaps we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Every religious war illustrates that point. Do you remember when Bush compared our war on terrorism a crusade? The Crusades were a Christian assualt on an innocent Islam. History condemns us. In this country, the Bible was used to justify slavery. Our founding fathers wrote that we "find these truths self-evident, that all men are created equal" and they owned slaves! The irony of that. I believe Humans are wired for spiritiuality but I pray we might choose spiritual practices that might enrich our lives WHILE WE LIVE. I don't desire my reward in Heaven. I don't belive in Heaven or in Hell. There's only now, this moment, this life. I know my goal is to make life on Earth tolerable for every being. No trips to Mars before every man, woman and child on Earth has a shot at a decent life.
The Earth is not flat and the sun does not revolve around it. In ancient days this was believed as fact. A fact in the word of God, infallible God. infallible word. I feel such sorrow for Capernicus and Gallileo, born when they were. Is it not time to let go of those archaic beliefs and to foster tolerance among men? To let go of dogma and to create Paradise Now? Before it's too late? Because when you are dead, it's too late! Do you remember the time before you were born? You will cease to exist upon your death and your immortality will remain only as long as someone remembers your name. Make your life memorable then. Foster love, and tolerance. Be Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Adam Sandler, lol!
Bobbi "Chick's rule!" http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif
I was lamenting the fact that there was nothing much going on in the forums of late and now I am getting email notifications out the wazoo! Don't mind my big-mouthed opinionated self. I mean no harm! My oldest daughter describes herself as Jewishtian and has friends who are mostly from inter-faith families like her own. And whether I like it or not, I remain influenced by my own Judeo-Christian background to a large extent. I have been something of an amatuer theologian for some time and for someone who has become agnostic, I certainly read about God and Christ quite a bit. I should problably convert to Judaism to simplify my life. The name "Israel" means "to struggle with God" and I struggle with God. At the very least, I consider God to be a divine spark in all human beings. Which is why I am not an atheist. I want "God" as a force to unify mankind. Underline unify. Barring that, I would indeed abolish religion. September 11, 2001 was the clincher for me, by the way. I stood and looked at the extraordinary heaven's and wept, "Where are You?" and I realized that we are alone except for every human on the planet! Do you remember when Jerry Fallwell blamed it all on gays and feminists? I was thinking Gandhi and Hitler are in hell. Jerry's going to Heaven? But what I had studied said that God had sent Jesus to intercede on our behalf, God having separated Himself from us. And yet, because of feminists and gays, He decided not to intervene and allowed the wicked and the innocent to die as he did so often in the Old Testament? He was forever smoting the wicked and the innocent in the Old Testament. LOL! At that point, I realized what I had always known in my doubting heart, that Christianity was a mythology like the Greek and Roman mythologies I had loved and read as a child. I believe in evolution and I was ticked off that I'd been snowed from childhood. I came to embrace the Eastern religions, reincarnation in the sense that it all gets recycled. The water here is the same recycled water from the beginning of time, billions of years ago. Because humans want a purpose, we created religion and it has been a blessing and a curse. Perhaps we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Every religious war illustrates that point. Do you remember when Bush compared our war on terrorism a crusade? The Crusades were a Christian assualt on an innocent Islam. History condemns us. In this country, the Bible was used to justify slavery. Our founding fathers wrote that we "find these truths self-evident, that all men are created equal" and they owned slaves! The irony of that. I believe Humans are wired for spiritiuality but I pray we might choose spiritual practices that might enrich our lives WHILE WE LIVE. I don't desire my reward in Heaven. I don't belive in Heaven or in Hell. There's only now, this moment, this life. I know my goal is to make life on Earth tolerable for every being. No trips to Mars before every man, woman and child on Earth has a shot at a decent life.
The Earth is not flat and the sun does not revolve around it. In ancient days this was believed as fact. A fact in the word of God, infallible God. infallible word. I feel such sorrow for Capernicus and Gallileo, born when they were. Is it not time to let go of those archaic beliefs and to foster tolerance among men? To let go of dogma and to create Paradise Now? Before it's too late? Because when you are dead, it's too late! Do you remember the time before you were born? You will cease to exist upon your death and your immortality will remain only as long as someone remembers your name. Make your life memorable then. Foster love, and tolerance. Be Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Adam Sandler, lol!
Bobbi "Chick's rule!" http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif
Bobbi
Cathlete
I curse them all to life in Heaven with Jerry Fallwell!
Bobbi "Chick's rule!" http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif
Bobbi "Chick's rule!" http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif
gogigi
Cathlete
True followers of Christ are not "middle aged freaks in a business suit" that stop and yell absurdities at people. A-Jock, I'm sorry that this person did this to you, but according to the Jesus I know based on the Scriptures He would have never done this or wanted one of His followers to do this. I do hope a lot of people will see this movie and then go to the Scriptures and ask God to reveal Himself to them. There is peace, hope, and forgiveness in Christ NOT in what man says and does.
Angela
Angela
Spent a long time composing then deleting a rather long post. But I will say this: There is a HUGE difference between posting and proselytizing. Proselytizing is inappropriate in a fitness forum and I am always surprised and dismayed when it happens here (and it does. A lot.)
And thank you A-jock for (once again) taking the words right outta my mouth!
And thank you A-jock for (once again) taking the words right outta my mouth!
TarHeelMom
Cathlete
I make a motion that this thread be peacefully closed.
This is a fascinating thread and an emotional one. On the whole, I think it's been a valuable addition to the life of our little community here. I have learned a lot about many of you and I always find that interesting and worthwhile. But all good things must end someday, and so I suggest that, having had LOTS of say-so about this topic, we all agree to close down this thread. I'd love to see all this spirited discussion return to fitness and wellness topics.
For those of you who want to continue a discussion of the many faith-related issues that have come up in this thread, could I suggest that you start a Yahoo group? It's simple and free -- just go to Yahoo, sign up, get a password and start a discussion group, which will have bulleting boards for members just like Cathe's site has.
What do you folks think? Time to let this one rest?
http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/sport/sport-smiley-003.gif Kathy S. http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/spezial/spudniks/spudniklifter.gif
This is a fascinating thread and an emotional one. On the whole, I think it's been a valuable addition to the life of our little community here. I have learned a lot about many of you and I always find that interesting and worthwhile. But all good things must end someday, and so I suggest that, having had LOTS of say-so about this topic, we all agree to close down this thread. I'd love to see all this spirited discussion return to fitness and wellness topics.
For those of you who want to continue a discussion of the many faith-related issues that have come up in this thread, could I suggest that you start a Yahoo group? It's simple and free -- just go to Yahoo, sign up, get a password and start a discussion group, which will have bulleting boards for members just like Cathe's site has.
What do you folks think? Time to let this one rest?
http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/sport/sport-smiley-003.gif Kathy S. http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/spezial/spudniks/spudniklifter.gif
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trevor
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RE: I make a motion that this thread be peacefully closed.
So.....did anyone workout today?
So.....did anyone workout today?
Bobbi
Cathlete
RE: I make a motion that this thread be peacefully closed.
"Connie: I agree with everything you said. I myself am a born again Christian. You have every right to express your opinion. No one seems to take offense to those who share their views that aren't christian. But as soon as a christian replies we're suddenly viewed as preaching or proselyting. And Bobbi, no offense here but I'm afraid you're in for a rude awakening when you die and stand before the true and living God. "Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord Forever". Whether you believe that or not is irrelevant. It's the irrefutable truth.'
Hold up a moment, Kathy! Huh? First of all you need to capitalize the word Christian. I have most respectfully capitalized Christian, God, and Jesus as well as the pronouns relating to the devine ones. Christians are the majority in this country although, fortunately, fundies aren't. I suggested to Trevor he and he alone might offer up Marx's "Religion is the opiate of the masses" but he didn't! LOL! I am not in for a rude awakeninging because when I am dead, I will be worm fodder as you will! Over two thousamd years ago, Christ's followers were disappointed that he had not returned. He's not coming. The best you can do is take his message of tolerance and apply it to your life because this is it. You are in for a rude awakening when you die and you don't wake up.
IP
Bobbi "Chick's rule!" http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif
"Connie: I agree with everything you said. I myself am a born again Christian. You have every right to express your opinion. No one seems to take offense to those who share their views that aren't christian. But as soon as a christian replies we're suddenly viewed as preaching or proselyting. And Bobbi, no offense here but I'm afraid you're in for a rude awakening when you die and stand before the true and living God. "Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord Forever". Whether you believe that or not is irrelevant. It's the irrefutable truth.'
Hold up a moment, Kathy! Huh? First of all you need to capitalize the word Christian. I have most respectfully capitalized Christian, God, and Jesus as well as the pronouns relating to the devine ones. Christians are the majority in this country although, fortunately, fundies aren't. I suggested to Trevor he and he alone might offer up Marx's "Religion is the opiate of the masses" but he didn't! LOL! I am not in for a rude awakeninging because when I am dead, I will be worm fodder as you will! Over two thousamd years ago, Christ's followers were disappointed that he had not returned. He's not coming. The best you can do is take his message of tolerance and apply it to your life because this is it. You are in for a rude awakening when you die and you don't wake up.
IP
Bobbi "Chick's rule!" http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif
Bobbi
Cathlete
RE: I make a motion that this thread be peacefully closed.
Trevor, I did the "mouse workout" and posted alot! Which means tomorrow I have to do Slow Heavy bis/tris/chest and back. Poor me!
Bobbi "Chick's rule!" http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif
Trevor, I did the "mouse workout" and posted alot! Which means tomorrow I have to do Slow Heavy bis/tris/chest and back. Poor me!
Bobbi "Chick's rule!" http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif
nancy324
Cathlete
RE: I make a motion that this thread be peacefully closed.
I know I'm repeating myself, but is anyone paying attention to the reviews? The New York Times states that:
"...Mr. Gibson, either guilelessly or ingeniously, has exploited the popular appetite for terror and gore for what he and his allies see as a higher end. The means, however, are no different from those used by virtuosos of shock cinema like Quentin Tarantino and Gaspar Noé, who subjected Ms. Bellucci to such grievous indignity in "Irréversible." Mr. Gibson is temperamentally a more stolid, less formally adventurous filmmaker, but he is no less a connoisseur of violence, and it will be amusing to see some of the same scolds who condemned Mr. Tarantino's "Kill Bill: Vol. 1" sing the praises of "The Passion of the Christ."
And that was the best part of the review. The rest is too painful to read. And there are plenty more reviews like that. I really think we may be talking bad movie here guys. I'm thinking: why subject yourself to this thing???? If you want pain, try the Pyramid Lower Body workout.
-Nancy
I know I'm repeating myself, but is anyone paying attention to the reviews? The New York Times states that:
"...Mr. Gibson, either guilelessly or ingeniously, has exploited the popular appetite for terror and gore for what he and his allies see as a higher end. The means, however, are no different from those used by virtuosos of shock cinema like Quentin Tarantino and Gaspar Noé, who subjected Ms. Bellucci to such grievous indignity in "Irréversible." Mr. Gibson is temperamentally a more stolid, less formally adventurous filmmaker, but he is no less a connoisseur of violence, and it will be amusing to see some of the same scolds who condemned Mr. Tarantino's "Kill Bill: Vol. 1" sing the praises of "The Passion of the Christ."
And that was the best part of the review. The rest is too painful to read. And there are plenty more reviews like that. I really think we may be talking bad movie here guys. I'm thinking: why subject yourself to this thing???? If you want pain, try the Pyramid Lower Body workout.
-Nancy
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