Anyone else think that Sarah Palin resembles....

I don't think Sarah Palin looks like Cathe. But in any event, I'd rather see Cathe running for VP than Sarah! :)
 
If Cathe were VP she would have no time to make kick butt w/o for us;) That is about as political as I am gonna get :p:eek:
 
hiitdogs said:
celestialtimes said:
But on the other hand can we collectively advocate agaist something that in itself is a good thing because a few bad apples will abuse the system?

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Sadly Carola, this isn't a perfect world and there are lots of folks who abuse the system. I once worked in a grocery store as a bookkeeper...the abuse of the system I saw there was tremendous.

When I was a young girl, my grandmother convinced my mother to take me away from my dad...so that she could take me...now remember...my mom was 14...My grandmother used me as a way to get more money from welfare...Did we have food on the table...NO! As a matter a fact I can remember being so hungery that I couldn't wait to go to school so that I could get some food. I was once so thirsty that I opened a can of peaches and drank the juice and my grandmother berated me for it for hours because she was gong to eat it later...WTH...I was 7 or 8...

My grandmother loved attention...and convinced the doctor that I had broken my foot...my foot was fine...but she convinced the doctor to put a cast on my foot and for 4 weeks...I was stuck with this cast...not being able to do much of anything including going to friends to eat.

My grandmother was sick and abused the medicare/welfare system for her decease. There are many folks out there just like her...using their children to get attention...

I was once in a foster home because the state took me away...fun experience...:rolleyes: we had a therapy group amoung us...and it was amazing the things you heard...Oh, then sitting in family court...that was an experience for a 12 year old...the things I was able to hear there...the amazing shock that there were kids there going through so much worse than me...

No, no perfect world. I hate to say it, but I'm a realist...I've scene things in my 36 years I wish I'd never scene and experienced things I wish I'd never experienced....and I find it sad that nothing scares or shocks me any more because so much has happened to me.

I think it's GREAT that someone wants to take a stand for children...seems to me that Ms. McCaine has done just that...Not like the celebrities going overseas for the public desplay of adoption...sort of like it seems...No one ever talks about Ms. McCaine and her good deads or her accomplishments as a person...Look her up...read about her...the press isn't bringing the information forward on their own.

Ok...I've brought a lot of my own baggage to this post...and boy let me tell ya...I got baggage. When I met my husband...I told him, you don't want me...The wrapping looks GREAT...I own my own home...have a over stressed job with lots of responsibility, making pretty good money...with a little degree on the wall...GREAT wrapping, but once you open that package...it's like Pandora's box...you might not be able to handle what you hear...

Luckily...he's held my hand and sometimes held me up when the times get tough....because I can't be strong all the time...even though...I try.

So, I appreciate your optimism...I wish I had some of my own, sometimes...I wish I were naive and so much of the time...I wish I could have my childhood back...I so miss the innocence that I see in young kids, no matter how poor or rich they are...
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Abbe... said:
Good point! Cathe's got more important things to do like get STS finished ;).
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OH man...and not just STS...I need some more Cathe Kickbox...and step...and floor work...and OK...I just want it all....I gotta have more Cathe workouts...we need to clone her or something...smile. I feel like I've been waiting for ever for STS....I'm sure we all do...
 
celestialtimes said:
So, I appreciate your optimism...I wish I had some of my own, sometimes...I wish I were naive and so much of the time...I wish I could have my childhood back...I so miss the innocence that I see in young kids, no matter how poor or rich they are...
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Celeste, I am sorry you went through so much heartache and challenges in your childhood, I truly am. I understand that an experience like that can shape a person's outlook on life and shake their faith in other people. It seems you have ended up taking your life in your own hands and made the best of a terrible start in life. It takes a very strong person to do that.

I do believe that the majority of people are honest, hardworking and good-hearted. I think I have a pretty realistic view of the world in general and I realize that sometimes it looks like things are going to pots with this world. I still believe in the general goodness of people. I have been called many things but I don't think anyone who knows me would ever call me naive.

I agree that some people abuse the system, I do believe however that media and opponents of the system will cherrypick some blatant and outrageous cases and make a big news story of it which makes it seem like all people who receive welfare or unemployment don't want to work. I can tell you that my husband was terminated in a massive lay-off at his company two months ago, he has yet to receive unemployment benefits, it is a constant back and forth, more papers, more statements. He worked at the company for 15 years, has never been unemployed before. His industry is very rocky to say the least, there are lay-off everywhere, almost no one is hiring.
He had two job offers which required to relocate to another state, it is not possible because we can't sell our house since we owe more than it is worth, this would mean that we would need to negotiate a short sale of the house with our bank which would effect our credit for the next couple of years and restrict our ability to purchase a house in the new state. That is not an option.

Yeah, I make money but I am in a commission based job in real estate, my business has been hit HARD, my marketing cost has quadrupled, my net income is about 25 % of what I used to make. Currently, my income is barely keeping us afloat and DH has yet to receive his first unemployment benefits check, health insurance is not an option right now due to the ridiculous cost. We are only one step away from bankrupcy, if, heaven forbid, DH, one of the kids or I would become seriously sick.

Hard to believe that two college educated people could ever get in a situation like this, isn't it??? I know many of the people who were laid off with my husband are in similar situations, both managers above DH were laid off. None of them is looking for hand-outs, they want to go back to work. But in the meantime we all have to put food on the table, it is kind of nice to have some food with our meals :p

As to Cindy McCain, I know her and her charities. John McCain is the senior senator from my home state. Not only are they pretty well known, I have met them at several official and social functions. No, I am not regularly meeting up with the big wigs, just one of my horseback riding buddies is the wife of a local politician and I used to get invited since she wanted to have some "normal" people to talk to :D

I respect and admire Cindy McCain for being the philantropist that she is. She has done magnificent work on behalf of Operation Smile and other charities.To put it in perspective though, her networth is $ 100 Mio, it is a little easier to hop on your private jet for those missions than for someone who is still struggeling to pay off their college loans. This is not to diminish Mrs. McCain's charitable work. However, her work has nothing to do with her husband's policies. To tell you the truth though, I was a McCain supporter in 2000, Cindy McCain didn't give me the warm and fuzzy back then and it hasn't changed. I think I have made it pretty clear though that I am no fan of the way John McCain operates now. An agent of change he sure is, the agent of changed opinions and policies.
 
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One thing that's GREAT if all it takes is one person to touch a childs life, one person to make a difference, and one person to make a child feel that they are someone.

I was fortunate, i had a couple teachers that made a difference. I had almost dropped out of school because at 15 I realized my destiny could only be better if I took my life into my own hands...and it was sooo hard.

When I first went out on my own it was so hard to be the adult I needed to be and the child I craved to be and it didn't help that my friends were like...ah hell, you don't have family telling you what to do...you can do what you want. I burned the candle at both ends for about a month...hitting rock bottom...nearly taking my life.

One day, I woke and I decided I was going to finish school no matter what or how. I went to my administrator for help...he talked to my teachers and every one agreed to help...and I had made two life long friends in some teachers and after a really rockey freshman and sophomore in high school, I became a honor roll student.

I of course married the first person that asked me...and that had it's bad and good. Divorcing 12 years later.

I understand your situation too, Carola. My job isn't so stable either...we're making it, we're very short handed and things at once we're so very good. I work in an industry that is a luxury...and then my hobby is horses. No one is buying Sailing/boating items and horse sales are down too.

I've been looking for another job in a half hearted way...cuz I once really loved and enjoyed my job. I'm kind of burnt out and the situation that we're in doesn't help much either.

I hated my condo in the city. I'm a country girl really. And I bought the condo shortly after my 1st husband and I spit because I wanted to be close to work. Needless to say, Condo's aren't selling either. There are a couple apartment complexes that went Condo and they have over saturated the market. So, I'm a condo owner for a long time to come.

Cool thing is, a person who touched my life was looking for help on her farm. She has a beautiful 2 bedroom apartment over the barn that she rents out in exchange for taking care of the horses, and one night before we got married (my husband and I met here and we also married here) My friend asked me to live here because I already demonstrated a care for all her horses here because mine here too. And when I buy goodies for my horses, her horses get goodies too!

So, here I sit, on this beautiful farm in this wonderful place that I call home and I am so lucky that I get to rent out my condo.

I still have living expenses, but this is affording us to do things we couldn't do before. And we get to save money, pay off some of my medical bills from when I didn't have insurance (big ouch) and do something I have always wanted to do but couldn't because I didn't have the money. And it's also educating me on some things I didn't really pay attention to when I was a kid.

Things happen for a reason and what doesn't kill you does really make you stronger. I wish could change some things and like I said, I really wish I had that innocence I see in children.

One day, I'm going to have a farm of my own and foster a couple children...and I would like to be that one person to them, Like I was fortunate to have a couple myself.

Your right in saying there are some good hearted people out there in the world, but unfortunately, there are some not so great too and yeah, they make it hard for everyone else. And makes someone like me not believe in the system.

I hope you husband can find a job soon, I sure it's stressful and hard...and with the housing market the way it is...I so feel for you as a Realtor in this economy. It is hope that 2009 is a much much better year for everyone everywhere.
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I was wondering what the buzz would be on this one. Great posts. My gutt reaction on this...and nothing butt from the gutt and watching video clips of Palin's speeches is that she is a self serving, ambitious woman that was a convenient last minute pick by McCain and his strategists to push the Republicans ahead.

I'm still stuck on the fact that she can't be raising her 4 underage children while being the V.P. of the United States. Old fashioned, I guess so but I know what it took for me to raise one daughter and work full time, much less four and two with special needs. You can have kids all day long...that's the easy part. It's raising those children that makes a mother a mother. She has a child with Down's syndrome!!! I've read posts on this forum for years from women who have special need children and find it extremely difficult to function day to day so I know I'm not just making this up.

She's a Babe! Oh, yeah. And if a women votes for a good looking candidate she is criticized for voting for a hunk of a man....I remember all the talk when JFK was running!

Anyway...I find her scary, condescending, arrogant and willing to be a puppet for the party. I see her selling out her family...throwing them under the bus so she can make history. Well...if those are family values...the republicans can have them.

Eight years of the Republican mess and I just can't understand why anyone even considers keeping them in the highest position of this great country. It's the same way I felt when Bush was voted back in for his second term. It's just crazy!
 
I love how no one mentions her husband and his role in terms of raising the family. :D It's as if he doesn't exist.

Her family dynamics do not bother me at all (just as my female doctors ~ including a breast surgeon ~ are welcome to have big families, my female lawyer is welcome to have a big family, etc.). I'm more concerned with Palin's behavior as a politician.
 
I so totally agree with you Candi! Could not have said it better myself. When are people actually going to start to vote in THEIR own best interests--health care, affordable college tuition, job opportunities, and please no more war as our defining foreign policy.
 
Not wanting to beat the horse anymore on my end, and not that this matters anyways, but by the time she is elected (if elected), she will only have 3 children under her care. Her oldest is 19 and on his way to Iraq. The next one down is 17 and soon to be married and become a mother herself. That "only" leaves her with a 13 yr. old, 7 yr. old, and the baby. I'm by no means saying that is easy, but I keep hearing (and this isn't necessarily from the previous poster since she was talking about 4) about how she has 5 kids and how can a mother of 5 kids handle this position etc... I've also read that she talked the situation over with her family before ever deciding to take the nomination. Her kids looked nothing but proud of her when she was giving her speech the other night. Lots of politicians "drag" their families into politics so to say, but I rarely see the men criticized for it.
 
Liann said:
Lots of politicians "drag" their families into politics so to say, but I rarely see the men criticized for it.
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As much as I despise Palin I have to completely agree with this statement, Liann. Brilliantly said. I'm so tired of the double standard played against successful career women. It's ok for a man to chase after his political dream but it's not ok for a woman because she is a Mother first?!?!?! Um, I don't think so.

Palin's been in politics for a long time. I'm sure her family has been well aware of her political aspirations and are fairly used to her career by now. Yes, if she becomes the V.P. it may be a shock to the family as they've probably never experienced anything similar, but I'm sure they'll figure out a way to deal with it.
 
stuckintx said:
You're the one that said she resembled Satan! Whatever.
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OMG, get over it already! Let me repeat myself, since it apparently did not penetrate the first two times around: IT WAS A JOKE! The reference to left wing liberal nut jobs to which I was responding, however, was not.

That said, the more I hear of this woman the more frightening I find her. The latest being that she had her baby shower for her 4th pregnancy at a shooting range. Jesus!

Count me as one who sees her nomination as a political ploy to capture the disenchanted women vote. It sickens, disgusts & insults me. You know, I'm not a great fan of Obama's & was actually considering voting for Nader (even though it'd essentially be a vote for McKain), but Palin's nomination pretty much tipped me. Obama gets my vote.

The post on taxes was nothing but a string of partisan falsehoods. I recently saw an analysis that showed the average taxpayer would pay approximately $4K less w/Obama's plan, & approximately $1K more with McKain's plan. http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm

And if anyone thinks Palin's anti-choice position is irrelevant, that anyone is living in an ivory tower. I personally don't know any woman who'd vote for an anti-choice candidate. I'm sure there ar some out there, but not in NJ. It IS a litmus test, whether Republicans like it or not.

P.S. I still think she resembles Satan. I swear, I think I started to see her morph a couple of times during her speeches. First I thought I was watching a rerun. Then I realized she was just repeating the same speech. :D I know McKain's people are trying to keep her mouth under a tight rein, but they might want to write a few more backup speeches for her. :p
 
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I've also read that she talked the situation over with her family before ever deciding to take the nomination. Her kids looked nothing but proud of her when she was giving her speech the other night. Lots of politicians "drag" their families into politics so to say, but I rarely see the men criticized for it.
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(I also apologize for beating the dead horse a little more, but...)
Yes, she may have discussed it with her family, but it's not up to them. Of course they are going to be starstruck and supportive. Their mom has been asked to be VP. Who in their right mind puts their children in the place of making that decision? It's not up to them. Only she knows what she can handle. That said, I still question a mother who steps into such a public position knowing her pregnant teen daughter will be thrust into the spotlight too. Seems she sold her out a bit for her own career gains. As a mother of two, with one on it's way (in three weeks :)), I'll tell you that three kids is nothing to sneeze at. It's a huge job. And her 17 year old still is a child who will need lots of guidance raising a new child. I cannot fathom taking on such a responsibility at such an age without my mother there to help. Yes, they have their father, but it's just not the same. I'm sorry if that sounds sexist, but it's true. Yes, there are MANY wonderful dads out there caring solely for their kids, (as Biden did for several years), but I think in the majority of cases, the mother is the primary nurturer. There are working moms out there; I was one of them, but there's a difference between working 40-50 hours a week and being VICE PRESIDENT OF THE USA. I think that Hilary Clinton faced a lot of criticism from the right wing back in the 90s because she wasn't your typical first lady. She was strongly involved and was criticized by the same people who today who criticize anyone who picks on Palin. That's how I feel as a mother...

As a voter... I cannot imagine voting for the McCain/Palin ticket. She has lied several times in speeches and stump speeches. She refused to talk to the press until she was fully coached. She believes that God sanctions war. She went to four colleges in four years, none of which were Ivy League (I only say this because I want my leaders to be head and shoulders smarter than I am). And I don't want a ticket that talks tough and lauds a tough/sarcastic/condescending running mate, only to yell "SEXISM!!!" when she's called out on her record. She reminds me of the cowardly lion on the Wizard of Oz. She spouts off all of these sarcastic/condescending quotes, and when she's slapped back with criticism, her camp recoils and pouts and accuses the media and anyone else who dare not give her "deference" as being sexist bullies. I used to be a part of the press, and it's insulting. In fact it's insane. *steps off of soap box*
 
Steph--I LOVE reading your posts!!

ETA: I don't think we're beating a dead horse at all. We're just returning to a previous conversation that people have realized they have more to add to. :) So POST AWAY, everyone!! (Let's just try and keep it as civil as it was before....) :)
 
Stephanie0523 said:
She went to four colleges in four years, none of which were Ivy League (I only say this because I want my leaders to be head and shoulders smarter than I am).
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I am actually ok with the "no ivy league colleges" part. I believe our current president went to an ivy league college. We see how well that turned out:rolleyes:.

Carrie
 
Oh man, don't hold lying against her. Find me a politician who hasn't lied or exaggerated or...what is the favorite term now..."misspoke." :p

I don't need an Ivy League president either. Judgement and heart speak more to me.

Having said that, I haven't totally made up my mind yet. I really like McCain, I find Obama thoughtful, I dig Palin's attitude, and Biden...well, I haven't decided if I like him or not. Factwise:

I'm prochoice and I support gay marriage, which makes the McCain/Palin ticket look way less attractive.

I'm a financially conservative homeschooler who distrusts big government, which makes me shy away from Obama/Biden.

I wish Rudy were in the race. *sigh*
 
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