NROWL VS Burn the Fat VS Precision Nutrition

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I have the first two, and am considering the latter. I enjoy reading about how all of this stuff works and only want to stick to science, to building muscle, leaning out a little bit, and eating healthy/clean for the purposes of building muscle but also just feeling good and being healthy. I don't want to eat processed foods, chemicals, etc, and really am not much on supplements either. My stomach does not seem to do well with those. How does the Precision Nutrition compare to the first two? I don't want more of what I have but if it would be a nice addition, that is another thing. The price is $97 (included the cookbook, program, and a few other things online) so I don't want to plunk that down if not necessary! The food looks great and options are always good. I appreciate any advice from anyone familiar with all 3 programs, or PN and one of the others. Thank you!
 
Shana: I don't have an answer for you but I am so interested to see the replies. I am in the exact same place that you are right now and not sure what program to use. Thanks for posting this!
 
orphylea - I read another of your posts. Sounds like we are almost the exact same size. Have you read either of the other books? I downloaded Burn the Fat but have not read it yet.
 
I'm 5'9" and 136ish pounds. I want to be 130, though. Are we the same size?

I haven't read the other books, but am starting research into my diet. I have been a Weight Watchers member for years- I like how the program taught me proper portion size. For the past year (really since having my second baby in March 2007), I have been concentrating more on nutrition and less on "just calories". I try to eat more whole foods, less refined sugars, stuff like that. I am in the best shape of my adult life, but still want to get maximum results- if I'm working out 60+ minutes a day, I want to LOOK like I work out that much, you know?? :)

Anyway, what are your thoughts on NROL- did you read the women's guide or just the basic book?
 
I am 5'9" and hover around 130. I have the NROW for Women. It is a very good book. I am also reading Abs Diet for Women. They are similar except that NROW focuses more on building muscle. I know exactly what you mean - that is why I am researching diet stuff. All of this hard work had better LOOK like hard work! I read on another forum that you can get a lot of article written by the guy who did Precision Nutrition that you can read online.

I posted on the other article (about looking like Cathe, I think) a link to free downloads of parts of the Precision Nutrition that the author put out there. I don't have that page up anymore or I would post it here. I downloaded those and am going to read up, and also read some articles he has written...when I have several hours to just sit and read :confused:
 
Geez...! I'm 5'9" and weigh 152! Maybe I have huge bones! Actually, I have big cycling legs and glutes, and I've been lifting heavy for a very long time. I've read Venuto's book and think its really very good. Its definitely geared towards the figure athlete and male bodybuilder, but for real, you can just modify the parts that come across as too extreme. I've toyed with getting Berardi's Precision Nutrition, but only the cookbook. Venuto's book covers what I want, but Berardi will get more into the diet end and nutrient timing. That's a great little book also: "Nutrient Timing" .
 
Shana,

I will try to answer your question. I've never read NRWOL, and it's been a very long time since I read BFFM.
First, BFFM was great read for me. I learned a lot and often go back to look at some of the material. At one point, I joined Tom's forum. It was nothing compared to the information on John Berardi's forum! The $97 for PN is worth the price of admission to JB's forum. His forum is filled with a lot of great information and support. I think he has a team of 10 coaches on his forum. All with impressive backgrounds.

If I remember correctly, BFFM is focussed on losing bodyfat? Crunching numbers? PN is all about eating healthy for improved body compostion, health, and performance. This is not a low calorie diet, or something you spend all day crunching numbers.
Read John's g-flux article(btw, Tom V. interviewed JB about g-flux)
http://johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/g-flux.htm


PN is a plant based diet. JB preaches the importance of eating fruits and veggies. PN is a plant based diet.

PN is just a very simple guide to get you eating healthy for life!
 
Here is an interview with John that may give you more PN insight.

RA:
What are the top 3 things you see people do to mess up their nutrition?

I only get to pick 3, eh?

Ok, I’d say these are the three biggies:​
1) First, I see people worrying too much about calorie intake and not enough about calorie expenditure.

If you’re one of these folks, you barely get the minimum amount of exercise while trying to accomplish your fat loss and body composition goals with nutrition alone. And the truth is – if you’re not genetically gifted – this is an almost impossible proposition.

I hate to beat the idea of G-Flux to death but the reality is that humans seem to have a body weight regulation switch that kicks on only when we do enough exercise. If we don’t do enough exercise, that switch stays off. And no matter how hard we try to keep calories in check, the body still finds ways to outsmart our efforts.

2) Next, I see too many people taking an overly simplistic view of food. They separate food into “good” and “bad” categories and avoid the “bad” foods while eating only “good” ones.

This view of nutrition is much too simplistic and, in my seminars, I call this “third grade nutrition.” In essence, this is a grade school view of nutrition. If you want to develop a better body, sure, it’s important to choose the best foods.

However, it’s also important to make sure that you’re eating these good foods in the right amounts for your goals. It’s just as easy to get fat overeating “good” foods as it as is to get fat overeating “bad” foods. The trick lies in the amount of food that you’re eating!

3) Finally, I see people, even the health conscious, eating too much like the typical North American – cereal for breakfast, sandwiches for lunch, and processed snacks in between.

The problem with this type of eating is that it makes it very difficult to get enough fruits, veggies, proteins, and healthy fats each day.

Indeed, only about 5% of the population gets at least 3-5 servings of fruits and veggies.

Also, the average intake of EPA and DHA is only about 300mg/day when it should be 900mg – at minimum.

Finally, the average male gets 100-120g of protein per day while the average woman gets 80-100g of protein per day. (I recommend that active men and women get about 1g per pound of body weight per day).

So why are most folks so far off the mark? Well, I think it’s because most people eat foods that are too carb-rich for breakfast, lunch, and for their snacks, leaving the rest of the healthy nutrients to appear at one meal only – dinner. And it’s just too tough to get enough protein, fruits and veggies, and good fats in one single meal.
 
RA:
How has your perspective on nutrition and exercise changed since going from nationally competitive bodybuilder to a well-educated and respected entrepreneur?

The biggest change in my perspective has to do with WHY I exercise and eat well.

When I was younger and my focus was physique competition, my #1 priority was being big, strong and ripped. And I did a pretty good job of that, weighing in at about 225 in the off-season and coming into contests at about 195lbs.

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My approach at the time was simple. As I had a screaming fast metabolism, I ate a lot – as much as I could of the following foods:

- lean beef
- chicken
- fish
- eggs and egg whites
- protein powder
- natural peanut butter
- oats
- whole grain bread
- whole grain pasta and rice
- frozen veggies
- occasional fruit

In addition, I trained about 6 days per week with fairly high volume (about 1.5-2 hours of training) and slept at least 8 hours every night. If I wasn’t growing doing this, I’d add in additional high calorie foods like home-made pizza, home-made potato chips, and more. And if I wasn’t getting leaner come contest-time, I’d cut calories and add cardio systematically until the body fat would come off.

However, once I put my bodybuilding days behind me, my focus changed. My goal was no longer exclusively aesthetics. And as I had other priorities in life (school – later work, new hobbies, relationships, etc) I needed to find a new balance.

Now, if you’re an “older” guy (or girl) reading this, you’re probably nodding in agreement. And if you’re a “younger” guy (or girl) reading this, you will be nodding in a few years – trust me! Everyone I know that’s been in this game for more than 15 years has experienced pretty much the same shift.

Now, I’m not going to lie. I’m still very interested in looking good. And that’s definitely a priority for me. However, before size and cuts comes health and function.

The all-out pursuit of being bigger and stronger – which had great rewards but was costly as I always had to be near a fridge and was always wiped out from training - has been replaced by having fun in and out of the gym and by trying to find the balance between my hobbies, my occupation, my training, and my relationships. And this balance requires that I don’t sacrifice all at the altar of my training and eating.

Yet, I believe that the base I built back in my competitive days has made it easier to continue to look good, train hard, and enjoy my time training. In fact, nowadays, I walk around at 180lbs at about 8% body fat or so.

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Of course, this new attitude has led to some changes in my approach.

As my metabolism isn’t quite what it used to be, nor is my training volume, my training program has to offer a bigger bang for my buck. To this end, I mix up the high intensity intervals and weight training to keep my metabolism as fast as I can get it. Also, I pay closer attention nowadays to my food amount, my food choices, and food timing. If I eat like I used to, the abs disappear in short order!

In many ways, the Precision Nutrition way of eating is the natural transition for folks once they’ve realized the metabolism isn’t what it used to be, that they no longer can eat what they want without getting fat, and that they need to find the balance between exercise, nutrition, and life. It’s been that for me, for sure!
RA:
What is your favorite quote?

I’ve got a lot of favorite quotes…depending on the situation I’m in. When it comes to exercise and nutrition this is one that I think is essential:

“However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.”

I think too many people think there’s some perfect program out there that they have to mimic to be doing things “correctly” or “optimally.” And it’s this focus on the “beautiful strategy” that leads to frustration for many. The most important thing with exercise and nutrition is the result. Are you leaner? Are you more fit? Are you healthier? Are you performing better? If so, keep up what you’re doing. If not, make the change.
 
Shana,

I forgot to mention... John is not a supplement pusher. He brings home the importance of Omega's.
His list of supplement recommendations:

Fish oil
Greens +
Green tea
Protein powder.
 
Great info, Cynthia!! Thanks for sharing! I've read NROWL and Nutrient Timing, but haven't read BFFM (although I've lots of articles and excerpts from it). PN sounds great too!
 
Thanks Cynthia! I'm learning so much. I really like what I have read so far about PN. I love that he doesn't push supplements and what he says makes sense! I will go read the free downloads now and see if I have more questions for you. :D
 
Thank you, Cynthia - as I sit here drinking my green tea that I made before even reading this!! :D

I am going to go for it, I believe. I like what I have read so far and your writing that he doesn't push supplements is big. Don't see myself taking fish oil though. I assuming that would not break the whole plan! I love that he pushes fruits and veggies and no weird foods. Thanks again for all of your time in explaining this. I really appreciate your input!
 
Geez...! I'm 5'9" and weigh 152! Maybe I have huge bones! Actually, I have big cycling legs and glutes, and I've been lifting heavy for a very long time. I've read Venuto's book and think its really very good. Its definitely geared towards the figure athlete and male bodybuilder, but for real, you can just modify the parts that come across as too extreme. I've toyed with getting Berardi's Precision Nutrition, but only the cookbook. Venuto's book covers what I want, but Berardi will get more into the diet end and nutrient timing. That's a great little book also: "Nutrient Timing" .

For what you do, there can be no body fat on you, woman! I do have little bones...my brother and I would quickly look like skeletons if we didn't eat! Tall, bony skeletons. We took that quality from our mom (but she is 2 inches shorter and over 30 lbs lighter than me - talk about skin and bones!)
 

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