Yet Another Dog Question

sparrow

Cathlete
Hey All:

I've got another "how do I handle it?" dog situation! Remember when it used to be that you'd have to deal with your friends and their unruly kids? Well now it seems like my friends all have dogs, not kids, and now I am coping with that!! Here's the story. Sorry so long.

DH and I have never had an issue with people visiting with their dogs. However, in the last two years a good good friend of mine (we were at university together) has adopted two different dogs. Both are rescue dogs. One is a mix of malamute, husky, shepard, the other is a 150 pound newoundland, who is cute but just huge and slobbery. She insists on bringing these dogs everywhere. When her first dog was a puppy she asked if she could bring him and I said sure, I understood she didn't want to leave a puppy alone all day. Somehow that has translated into "alway bring your dogs." Seriously, since the 1st adoption we have not done one thing together that didn't involve the dogs! Usually we go hiking which I love but don't always want to do. I don't mind the dogs once in a while but it seems like she's forcing that experience because it can include the dogs. For instance, I invited her to come see the new place and right away she sent me an email agreeing to our hike in the local woodland are, when I never mentioned a hike! My idea was more, lunch, maybe some antique stores, etc, you know, kind of show off my new area a bit. I'm dealing with DH on this as well because even though he is a huge dog lover, he finds it obnoxious that she would haul these two big dogs around, also because the shepard mix is rather odd, won't walk on anything but carpet and needing to be hand fed! She carries the dog from room to room when she visits and leads to her entire visit being 'The Dog Show'. This leads me to the second issue.

The shepard dog is AGGRESSIVE. As far as I know she has not gone after any people but she is seriously dog aggressive and unpredictable. One minute she's fine and playing and the next she has some dog pinned by the throat. (I personally have witnessed her attack my sister's dog twice, her brother's german shepard, and a 17 year old pomerainian (spelling?). None of these dogs was being aggressive in the least.) My friend also told me that her dog has been kicked out of doggie day care AND Canine Good Citizen due to this. My friend always has a reason as to why her dog is doing this, the latest being that the dog doesn't like the smell of meds so any dog her dog attacks must be on meds (my sister's dog has never been on meds). OK. So. I could probably deal with this except for one reason. Tenants. There's a rental cottage on our acreage, currently rented by a family with a 3 year old son, Nicky. I feel as if I can't have this unstable dog on my property with a 3 year old running around! Nicky stays by his yard, and I can tell my friend her dogs MUST be leashed here (which she won't be happy about) but the honest truth is I don't really want the aggressive dog here at all. Why take the chance?! I would be so upset if anything happened to Nicky, and there's also the issue of liabilty. DH and I would be screwed, legally. I know what I have to do is just tell her, and be honest as to my feelings but every time I pick up the phone or start an email to her I chicken out. My words seem so mean! At the same time I'm starting to resent having to deal with this.

Any thoughts, advice?

TIA!

Sparrow


Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ‘Wow - what a ride!’ — Peter Sage
 
You have to just be honest with her. She's your friend, she should understand. Especially since you have legitimate reasons--just explain it to her the way you explained it to us & you should be fine.
 
Sparrow {{{{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}}.

Now, tell your friend the dogs cannot come due to the danger element/legal issues with your tenants, especially with a 3 yo. If she doesn't understand (and I know that's not your only reason, but, hey, it works), you might need to re-think her friendship.

Good luck:)
 
I think the hardest part will be the first time you say 'no dogs allowed." If you respond to your friends email and mention the activities that you want to do, and in a kind of jokey manner, say 'sorry, this is a 'no dogs allowed' kind of thing (followed by a smiley face?). Also mention that you aren't really up for a hike right now.

As long as you don't set the rules with her, the dogs will continue to accompany her.

It might be uncomfortable at first, but I've found that once you get your concerns out (instead of holding in your resentment and letting it build to something more), you'll feel a sense of relief. What's the worse that could happen? Your friend is mad at you? For how long?

Plan to call her, practice what you are going to say, so you don't sound as uncomfortable as you feel about it right now. Keep it friendly but firm. Something like "I'd really rather just spend some time with you, without having to share your attention with the dogs. I'm also concerned about X dog's agressive behavior, especially with chidren living so close." If she accepts that, you're home free. If she makes more excuses for the aggressive dog, you might have to be more blunt with her.

It seems to me like the dog aggression issue is something she just doesn't want to see. I would be concerned that the dog would seriously hurt another dog, or even a child. Her turning a blind eye to it is not good.
 
Sparrow, I would focus on the child issue. I would say, I'm sorry, I know your dogs are very important to you, but we have a small child on our property and we're really concerned about him with dogs that are so large. I would reference the fact that you've witnessed the dog's aggression and express concern.

I think your fears are normal and justified and as you've been a witness to the dog's behavior, your friend should not poo-poo your concerns. However, from what you've said, she may be mortally offended, so you should probably be prepared for that. Some people think their animals are children and expect the world to also treat them as such. It may really put a crimp in your friendship temporarily, but if she is really a good friend, she will understand and respect your wishes.

Good luck. I don't envy the conversation.

Marie

ETA - I totally agree with Kathyrn that her turning a blind eye may have tragic results at some point. Very sad.
 
Tough situation, Sparrow. I agree with Laura that you just need to be honest with her.

I'm a huge dog person and love bringing my dog with me to as many places as possible, but what she's doing really is just plain rude, especially with the dog that has aggression issues. You should definitely mention the legal/liability issues around that.

HTH
 
Sparrow, I really don't have anything to add to the excellent advice you've all ready been given, I just wanted to give you a big {{{{{HUG}}}}}. I know it's hard but you can handle it.

It irks me to no end when people impose their pets on others. I loved my little dachshunds and treated them as if they were children, but I understood that not everyone was as enamored of them as I was. Not to mention my female could be a real little biatchy biznitch:eek: :7 .
 
Sparrow, you have received some very good advice so far. I don't know if I can add to it, but I have never been one to understand those whe feel the need to force either their children or pets on anyone and everyone! I am a huge pet lover and have 3 cats of my own, but I would NEVER think to force them on anyone else by showing up with them on a visit!
About the visit to your new place, and she emails back about local hike. I would have responded that you were not referring to a hike and that you don't think that the local antique shops you were wanting to visit would appreciate the large dogs.
I would also emphasize the legal dilemma that she is putting you in with the dogs and Nicky. Not only would you as landlords be legally libel, but she as the owner *knowing* that the dog is aggressive and not doing anything about it is also very libel!!!
Just remember, the first time is always the hardest! If she were truly your friend, she would not want to put you in that dangerous legal situation.
 
Good Morning Sparrow,

I have two neighbors next door, one has 4 dogs, then her sister has another 3 and her boyfriend, has 1 (all are big dogs). We use to be friends for a couple of years. Did lots of meals together, played in the pool, etc.... but it just got out of hand, and I refused to have that chaos in my life. So now we are piecefully happy. No dogs barking at you,threatening to bite, climbing/pawing on you, or sliming you.

We have our 2 cats and our Molly dog(small dog), that is plenty enough animals around.

So if you don't do something to keep your frindship going, you may wind up without her friendship (if that's what you want). It depends if you can live like that or not.

Janie

"If you can't say anything nice about someone, then don't say anything at all."
-My mother, Mary Cooper-
 
good afternoon sparrow,

I have 3 dogs myself, we just got a mini australian shepard puppy a few months ago. Until I got him I never took any of my dogs to friends or neighbors, they are just too big!
With the new puppy, however, he goes with me to a lot of my friends and sometimes even to work. However, I ALWAYS ask if it is ok, even with my neighbors who are really good friend, they have two dogs and my puppy and their dogs get along awesome. But I still ask, sometimes my friends ask me to bring Scooter and I think it is a little different because my puppy is only 25 lbs (he will only be around 30 to 35 when fully grown) and he is pretty well-behaved for a puppy.

I would definitely suggest though that you tell your friend your concerns, if she is a good friend, she will understand. I don't think it is appropriate to bring your dogs every single time you meet. I wouldn't be offended at all if someone told me not to bring my dog, I actually would want to know. It is no fun to spend time together if this could cause tension. So, my vote is, talk to her about it.

Take care,

Carola
 
Wow, I think your friend is really pushing her boundaries and not thinking clearly about the situation. I have 3 dogs and when people come to my hosue they aren' always even out to visit. Not everyone wants a 45-80 lb dog in their lap at all times!

Aside from that, I agree, focus on the child issue. You could lose so much if that dog bites the child. And your friend could lose her companion? Is it worth that risk for her? I have 2 that don't do kids and I would never jeopardize a child or one of the dogs just to hve them with me in that kind of situation.

Also if the shepherd is that stressed out to attack, is the dog really having any fun?

I hope she understands and you can continue your friendship. But I'd definitely say something.

Colleen
 
Sparrow,

I think you've received great advice and I wish you luck. I am a HUGE animal lover, but I don't take my animals to other people's houses - ever.

I just want to point out here (not to you Sparrow, but just to all in general) that just because a dog is dog aggressive does not mean it is people aggressive. There are lots of dogs who don't like other dogs who LOVE people and kids.

That being said, you have no idea whatsoever of whether or not this dog has people issues too, so it's not worth the risk for you to have it on your property since it's not your dog.

Suz

"Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." - Anatole France

http://www.picturetrail.com/dogs2birds
 
Thanks for the advice AND the push, ladies. I know I have to do it and have set a deadline for myself, by Monday and will practice what I am going to say over the weekend. Either that or I am going to anonomously mail her a copy of The Dog Whisperer...(kidding).

She *is* an excellent friend and under normal circumstances she would understand I think. But she has had a tough few years, has had no SO in her life for many years and her dogs are her emotional life. It's going to hurt her, no matter how nicely I put it and that is what kills me, knowing she is struggling anyway and here I come to kick her while she's down. :( She's an attorney though so I hope when I say things like "liability" and "potential for a lawsuit" that part of her brain will kick in :)

Kathryn, I may actually print your words and use them :)

Suz, yeah, I've struggled with that too, because I know that dog aggression does not translate automatically to people aggression. Still, the dog seems so unstable in general, and my friend not having the best leadership with it makes me nervous, you know?

Thanks again!!

Sparrow

Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ‘Wow - what a ride!’ — Peter Sage
 
*Suz, yeah, I've struggled with that too, because I know that dog aggression does not translate automatically to people aggression. Still, the dog seems so unstable in general, and my friend not having the best leadership with it makes me nervous, you know?*

Sparrow - you're absolutely right to be cautious. It would be different with someone who had total control of their dog.

Lots of luck to you. We'll all be thinking about you!

Suz

"Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." - Anatole France

http://www.picturetrail.com/dogs2birds
 

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