What's so bad about dairy?

dr.mel_PT

Cathlete
My friend's trainer suggested an eating plan for her: no dairy, sugar, or wheat. This isn't the 1st time I've heard about restricting dairy, but I'm wondering why is it off-limits? Also, what's so bad about wheat? The bloat? Of course I told her to ask her trainer and he can't give her a solid answer about either.
 
If he is a physical trainer with no education/cert. in nutrition he should not be giving her nutritional advice at all but that's besides the point.

I've heard dairy get a bad rap before as well. I love it though. Don't think I could give it up completely.
 
There's nothing wrong with it unless you're sensitive to it. You want to stay low-fat, of course, but other than that it just all competing food interests trying to say "mine is better than theirs" and others trying to sell books. Everything in moderation and you're fine.
 
Um, yeah, no one should be giving nutriton advice especially if they aren't qualified and can't back it up and tell you why!

Unless your friend has been complaining of gas, bloating, sensitivity, etc. after eating dairy there is no reason to stay away from it. Like someone else said, there are low fat options, so if that is the issue then it's easily solved. I will never give up my Fage 2% yogurt and Knudsen cottage cheese 2%! As far as wheat, this is also unecessary unless she has been showing signs of allergy/sensitivity in the way of stomach/GI problems, etc. Sugar is a no-brainer though, unfortunately. :p If she has food issues/allergies she should consult a nutritionist.
 
Not to be argumentative but there is a lot that is wrong with milk and dairy products.

There are books written about this topic, I will try to keep it short and to the point. The biggest problems are in the production, processing and the "ingredients". The American Dairy Industry has done a phenomenal job at marketing and pulling wool over our eyes so that we don't see the obvious anymore.

The milk of most mammals varies considerably in composition, their content of fat, protein, sugar and minerals show great differences, all designed to provide optimal nutrition to the baby of the specific species. In no other time in life is there a greater growth than during the time of being breastfed (human or any other species), milk is designed to promote fast growth.

This is where the first problem occurs. Milk (and with it dairy products) contain an insulin like growth factor called IGF-1. This is needed to promote the fast growth of babies but it has been shown to promote cancer growth in adults, i.e. the transformation of breast cells to cancerous forms, IGF-1 is also a growth factor for already cancerous breast and colon cancer cells, promoting their progression and invasiveness. There is a reason why the breastfeeding stops after a certain time because it stops being beneficial.

About 50 years ago the average cow produced about 20,000 lbs per year in milk, nowadays, the average cow produces 50,000 lbs per year. This is a achieved with antibiotics, drugs and rBGH which multiplies IGF-1 levels in milk exponentially. Aside from increasing amounts of IGF, one of the most powerful growth factors, our intake of hormones (including high levels of estrogen) and drugs through milk and milk products keeps increasing.

Production:

Pasteurization: During the pasteurization process enzymes that are important for the absorption and assimilation process are destroyed, as a result the human pancreas has to work overtime to produce more enzymes which can lead to stress on the pancreas and result in diseases like diabetes, inflammation, etc.

Homogenization: Subjecting the butterfat in milk to high pressure and breaking up the fat molecules. With the fat a significant amount of vitamins is removed, later vitamin D is added, however, synthetic vitamin D is known to be toxic to the liver. Skim milk is sold as a health product but the fat is there for a reason, it helps the body absorb the vitamins in the milk. There is convincing research that homogenization is a significant factor for an increase of incidents in heart disease, hardening arteries and an increase in cholesterol.

Aside from all the problems in production and processing (yes, milk, cheese and dairy are processed foods) milk is the # 1 allergic food in the country. Not only is it well documented as a cause of diarrhea, cramping, bloating, gas, gastrointestinal bleeding, rashes, anemia, mucous building resulting in recurring ear and sinus infection but there is also very convincing evidence that the casein in milk promotes cancer growth. In fact, if you read The China Study by Dr. T. Collin Campbell, it has been shown in experiments that cancer growth can be turned on and off merely by feeding or omitting casein.

So what happens if we just stopped drinking milk and dairy products, wouldn't we have problems getting enough calcium and osteoporosis would skyrocket? NOPE!!! In fact, drinking milk or eating large amounts of dairy products can leach calcium from your bones, due to the high phosphorus levels in milk which prevents the absorption of calcium. Milk protein also speeds up the excretion of calcium through the kidneys. So, in fact, the intake of large amounts of milk and dairy products does more harm than good. This is also evidenced in the fact that the United States has the highest intake of dairy products in the world but we also have the highest occurance of osteoporosis and bone fractures.

This is not something I came to lightly. I was the cheese and dairy whore-in-chief, after all I am from a dairy country!!! When I had to change my diet I was very adament that someone would risk serious injury if they wanted me to give up my beloved cheese and yes, gasp, also my Fage Greek yogurt :mad::mad::mad: I gave it up a little over a year ago (kicking and screaming all the way :eek:) and it has made a huge difference in my health and the way I feel and look! I never thought I would say that but I will leave cow's milk to baby cows because this is who it is intended for.

Interesting reads or videos about this subject are "The World according to Monsanto" http://freedocumentaries.org/int.php?filmID=300 (free video), "The China Study" by T. Collin Campbell.
 
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What Carola said.

Also, if you avoid meat for ethical reasons, it's worth noting that the dairy industry provides veal calves (male calves have no place at a dairy farm...) and also older dairy cows to the meat packing plant.

But I suspect that you were mainly asking about it for health reasons, and Carola has pretty well covered it.
 
Carola...I can't help it!!! I love my skim milk! If it came with a warning label saying "might cause you to grow a second head," I'd still drink it! I think I was a baby calf in the life before this one. Named Peanut.

:)Jonezie
 
Carola...I can't help it!!! I love my skim milk! If it came with a warning label saying "might cause you to grow a second head," I'd still drink it! I think I was a baby calf in the life before this one. Named Peanut.

:)Jonezie

LOL!!! If you were Peanut that's a different story then ;):D

But I know what you mean, I didn't want to give it up either!!

I am not a missionairy. If you want to keep drinking your skim milk by all means, go for it. I never understood though that someone would voluntarily drink skim milk, just the thought :confused::confused::confused: If you want to punish me give me skim milk - blech! I can't down that stuff! If I didn't have that bout with cancer and decided to forego conventional treatment, I may have not done the research and I am not sure that I would have given dairy up either.

And every once in while the rebel in me comes out yet again and I just have to have a piece of cheese cake :mad: and a few hours later my nose is clogged up and I have the headache from he!! But now they opened a new juice bar and raw food restaurant 5 minutes from my house and they have a non-dairy raw mango/raspberry "cheese" cake to die for and I am a happy (clear-nosed) camper :D
 
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This is very interesting. I am on a program right now that restricts dairy (also no alcohol, no sugar, no wheat, no caffeine - basically, everything that may cause sensitivities in anyone) - this is my 13th day. I've given up alcohol, sugar and caffeine before, but I've always kept my yogurt. I've noticed that my chronically stuffy nose is almost gone! (Well, my nose is still there, but it's not stuffy.) I've been able to cut way, way down on my evil addictive nasal spray. So maybe I have a dairy sensitivity and never knew it!

Stebby
 
Everything Carola said!!!

When I don't eat dairy, I don't have any stomach issues or sinus stuff. I also looked up on my own how dairy related to osteoporosis after reading The China Study and found that the countries that consumed the most dairy also had the highest rates of osteoporosis. In fact, they are having to raise awareness in China about osteoporosis and calcium consumption now that - guess what! - their milk consumption is increasing.

Melissa
 
This is not something I came to lightly. I was the cheese and dairy whore-in-chief,

Carola - I will happily step in and take over your duties as "dairy whore-in-chief". :D

Due to what was mentioned regarding pasteurization and homogenization, almost 100% of the dairy products DH and I eat are raw and full fat, including our milk...we know a guy with cow...seriously.

http://www.realmilk.com/
 
ditto what Carola said...very well put!

My 3yo DD is allergic to dairy and I've recently decided to eliminate it totally from my diet as well...if she can't have it, neither can I. Amazingly, my acne-prone skin has cleared up, my gassy/bloated stomach has disappeared and I've lost three pounds! Even my cellulite-filled legs look a little better!
 
All I gotta say to you, dairy...is I can't live if livin' is without you. I've lost 60 pounds before with no trouble while consuming skim milk, string cheese, and natural Greek yogurt in moderation. I think it's along the lines of what a previous poster said...(not applicable if you have a genuine allergy, GI problem or health issue with dairy, of course)...it's a my diet is better than your diet mentality sometimes. Remember when people used to think avocados were the enemy? Now it's considered a healthy fat. You read one book that says egg whites only and another that says whole egg is best. I personally have found success breaking through plateaus by shocking my body...which sometimes means green tea or water instead of dairy. But I would never be able to, or want to, eliminate dairy for my life forever. I wouldn't want to eliminate anything from my diet forever, for that matter. Forever is a looooooooong time.

:)Jonezie (Formerly Peanut the Baby Calf)
 
All I gotta say to you, dairy...is I can't live if livin' is without you. I've lost 60 pounds before with no trouble while consuming skim milk, string cheese, and natural Greek yogurt in moderation. I think it's along the lines of what a previous poster said...(not applicable if you have a genuine allergy, GI problem or health issue with dairy, of course)...it's a my diet is better than your diet mentality sometimes. Remember when people used to think avocados were the enemy? Now it's considered a healthy fat. You read one book that says egg whites only and another that says whole egg is best. I personally have found success breaking through plateaus by shocking my body...which sometimes means green tea or water instead of dairy. But I would never be able to, or want to, eliminate dairy for my life forever. I wouldn't want to eliminate anything from my diet forever, for that matter. Forever is a looooooooong time.

:)Jonezie (Formerly Peanut the Baby Calf)

I don't judge anyone's diet! I apologize if it comes across that way! This is not my intention. If you feel you can't live without dairy, by all means eat as much as you like.
I am merely stating my reasoning why dairy is out of the picture for me. That doesn't mean that everyone else has to do the same thing. People need to make their own decisions as to what works for them.

That being said, the information about growth factors and hormones in milk is not comparable with for the umpteens time some new book condemning anything with fat in it, like avocados, or someone claiming xyz food is unhealthy and the next month you should eat truckloads of it. The information about the harmful effects of growth factors and hormones in milk makes sense to me.

I think the problem with many foods, drugs, pesticides or whatever we ingest is that only in rare cases do we have a serious reaction right after we ingest it or come in contact with it. But just because we don't drop dead or break into seizures doesn't mean that it won't affect our health negatively in the long term.

For me personally, eliminating dairy was a good thing. My focus was not weightloss but health and it worked for me, I still lost 125 lbs in the process. And like Stebby I got rid of my chronically stuffy nose. That however does not mean everyone else has to do this. However, I don't see anything wrong with sharing the information. For those who think it makes sense to eliminate or cut down on dairy - great! I hope they get the results they want. For those who think, this is a bunch of crock and continue as before. Great, too. Whatever floats your boat :D
 
Carola...I hope you didn't think I meant you when I said "my diet is better than yours mentality!". I TOTALLY understand what you're saying. And know a lot of people don't respond well to dairy. I just wanted to send a shout out to all things cold and creamy. I'm Team Dairy. PS...I'm also Team Jacob and Team Bethenny if anyone's interested. ;)

If we ever go to a RT together, I'll drink your skim milk at breakfast...and mine, too! Nothing but love! Jonezie
 
Carola...I hope you didn't think I meant you when I said "my diet is better than yours mentality!". I TOTALLY understand what you're saying. And know a lot of people don't respond well to dairy. I just wanted to send a shout out to all things cold and creamy. I'm Team Dairy. PS...I'm also Team Jacob and Team Bethenny if anyone's interested. ;)

If we ever go to a RT together, I'll drink your skim milk at breakfast...and mine, too! Nothing but love! Jonezie
I'M TOTALLY TEAM JACOB! Who wants to kiss cold marble? I want me some HEAT! :p:p:p
Seriously, Jacob reminds me of my hubby. Especially the acting like a teenager part. ;):D

Melissa
 
I'M TOTALLY TEAM JACOB! Who wants to kiss cold marble? I want me some HEAT! :p:p:p
Seriously, Jacob reminds me of my hubby. Especially the acting like a teenager part. ;):D

Melissa

Melissa, if Jacob reminds you of your hubby, you got no problems!!! ;) Does he cook, too?

:) Jonezie
 
Well, I hate plain milk in any form, so I don't have to worry too much about it! I do use it in biscuits, pancakes, etc., but my gallon of milk usually goes bad before I can use the whole thing and a 1/2 gallon isn't enough. I only always use skim, though. We also have a small local company up here that raises their dairy cows completely naturally and don't use any artificial ingredients or antibiotics and don't process it.
 

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