What happened to these kids ????????????
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Organic foods are not a waste of money. I can't recall any studies showing that the applications of pesticides has done anything to improve the health of the consumer, health of the soil it's grown in, the local water supply...
Pesticides have, however, created more resistant insects.
Also, could you please cite some "legitimate non-profit organizations", please?
Organic foods are not a waste of money. I can't recall any studies showing that the applications of pesticides has done anything to improve the health of the consumer, health of the soil it's grown in, the local water supply...
Pesticides have, however, created more resistant insects.
Also, could you please cite some "legitimate non-profit organizations", please?
JeanneMarie said: "Who would've thought we'd have such a tall child?? His height is a constant source of amazement in our household!"
One day, I was putting away laundry, and my 5'10 16 yr. old noticed I was putting his stuff absendmindedly in my 5'6 husband's dresser. He said, "Mom, when are you going to accept the fact that I'm the biggest person in the house now?" The answer is . . . .NEVER!
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Valerie
One day, I was putting away laundry, and my 5'10 16 yr. old noticed I was putting his stuff absendmindedly in my 5'6 husband's dresser. He said, "Mom, when are you going to accept the fact that I'm the biggest person in the house now?" The answer is . . . .NEVER!
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Valerie
jdifischer
Cathlete
Have you seen the breasts on some of the girls these days?? I am convinced it is the growth hormones in dairy and the way the dairy industry push's dairy. I fear a big surge in the breast cancer rate among younger women in the next 10-20 years.
Don't get me wrong - I love cheese but I can honestly say that my 10 year old son doesn't do much dairy (ice cream and choc. milk on occasion) by his own choice and taste buds and he is so ripped and lean people ask me if I make him work out and lift weights. Never - except jogging for football.
Just my take . . .
Dawn
Don't get me wrong - I love cheese but I can honestly say that my 10 year old son doesn't do much dairy (ice cream and choc. milk on occasion) by his own choice and taste buds and he is so ripped and lean people ask me if I make him work out and lift weights. Never - except jogging for football.
Just my take . . .
Dawn
I think larger breast indicate a higher fat content in diets. What are the first place in a lot of women to gain weight, where do we gain when pregnant, in the breasts. There are a higher percentage of fat kids these days. Fat in girls, has more estrogen, so earlier periods, larger breasts. If you want something to blame, blame all the fat and sugar in the kids diets, not milk.
Also, go to the girls department and look at the bras they are selling for pre-teens. They are push up padded bras. I know because I went to buy some sports bras for my 12 year old, and was amazed at the push-up paddded colored bras that look like they belong on a Victoria Secrets model, bleh, and my daughter would say bleh too. But they definately would make someone flat chested look big.
Also, go to the girls department and look at the bras they are selling for pre-teens. They are push up padded bras. I know because I went to buy some sports bras for my 12 year old, and was amazed at the push-up paddded colored bras that look like they belong on a Victoria Secrets model, bleh, and my daughter would say bleh too. But they definately would make someone flat chested look big.
candi
Cathlete
Well, we can all go around with blinders on because it makes us feel better, but there are chemicals in our foods and in the environment that were not there years ago. Children are growing at a faster rate and girls are menstruating earlier because of it. The doctor told my daughter than when a pre-pubescent girl reaches the 92 lb mark, their period is not far behind. I never knew this was a barometer until she told me what the doctor said.
I don't worry about it, I just realize it and accept it as a fact of life. If people want to avoid the hormones in foods, bravo for them for spending a little more on groceries. They believe they are investing in their health. I compare it to spending the money on purchasing Cathe videos for the same reason.
Just my $.02.
I don't worry about it, I just realize it and accept it as a fact of life. If people want to avoid the hormones in foods, bravo for them for spending a little more on groceries. They believe they are investing in their health. I compare it to spending the money on purchasing Cathe videos for the same reason.
Just my $.02.
There was an issue of Time magazine that discussed what it's like being 13, and in that article they mentioned that every single generation is taller then the one before it - it's just natural progression. The hormones in food do have an effect though, i'm sure.
There was another article that discussed which nationality is the tallest. Americans are generally among the tallest people, although Northern Europe and some African countries have the tallest people. It was found that the Dutch are, on average, the tallest people in the world.
There was another article that discussed which nationality is the tallest. Americans are generally among the tallest people, although Northern Europe and some African countries have the tallest people. It was found that the Dutch are, on average, the tallest people in the world.
Have you ever seen the size of the antique beds they have in those historically accurate museum displays of how people live in the 1800s, etc? I am thinking of places like the Henry Ford Museum etc in Michigan. They are such short beds! Tiny! They always say it is because people were shorter back then.
Getting taller seems to be a natural human trend, seems like I have heard it was better healthcare and immunizations,etc. I have a nephew with severe food allergies and when they were finally diagnosed and treated, as was his asthma, he shot up like an arrow. Prior to that, his body was too busy fighting his conditions.
Still, a friend's daughter was showing signs of pre-menstruation at barely age 6, that freaks me out.
Jen
Getting taller seems to be a natural human trend, seems like I have heard it was better healthcare and immunizations,etc. I have a nephew with severe food allergies and when they were finally diagnosed and treated, as was his asthma, he shot up like an arrow. Prior to that, his body was too busy fighting his conditions.
Still, a friend's daughter was showing signs of pre-menstruation at barely age 6, that freaks me out.
Jen
nice on ice
Cathlete
Actually food grown without some applied pesticides have their own risks because bacteria, etc. are allowed to thrive on these foods. Pesticides "improve" the health of the consumer by their very function---to prevent harmful bugs, etc. from wreaking havoc on the crops. Any type of farming done over and over again depletes the soil of nutrients regardless of whether it's organic or "standard" farming.
One little known tidbit is that so-called organic farmers will resort to using so called natural pesticides, which are often similar chemicals to the standard pesticides, when they are faced with losing their crops while attempting straight organic farming. The consumer will still pay for the "organic" tag however. These farmers, after all, are in it for the money just like we hold jobs for the money aspect of it. You may not be getting what you think you are getting when you buy "organic".
As for studies, Consumer Reports has done them. And anyone who knows Dr. Edell, who has a national radio show and is highly respected, he thinks it's a bunch of hooey as well. There are sites that attempt to ferret out all of the hype that's thrown about by the media. Quackwatch, Center for Consumer Freedom, Accuracy in Media Reporting are a few. I have not saved most of the things I have found but you all can search for yourselves. I will link you to one article from Quackwatch that I dug up from my personal files----
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/organic.html
There is no proof these foods are more nutritious, taste better, are better for the environment, nothing. And I won't spend extra money on something if I am not getting something back for it. That's just my opinion on it and I certainly am not trying to force anything on anyone. I do think more thought should go into our spending before we just run out and jump on the "flavor of the month" bandwagon because some guy on the nightly news read a cue card that said something was good for us.
I guess we will agree to disagree.
One little known tidbit is that so-called organic farmers will resort to using so called natural pesticides, which are often similar chemicals to the standard pesticides, when they are faced with losing their crops while attempting straight organic farming. The consumer will still pay for the "organic" tag however. These farmers, after all, are in it for the money just like we hold jobs for the money aspect of it. You may not be getting what you think you are getting when you buy "organic".
As for studies, Consumer Reports has done them. And anyone who knows Dr. Edell, who has a national radio show and is highly respected, he thinks it's a bunch of hooey as well. There are sites that attempt to ferret out all of the hype that's thrown about by the media. Quackwatch, Center for Consumer Freedom, Accuracy in Media Reporting are a few. I have not saved most of the things I have found but you all can search for yourselves. I will link you to one article from Quackwatch that I dug up from my personal files----
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/organic.html
There is no proof these foods are more nutritious, taste better, are better for the environment, nothing. And I won't spend extra money on something if I am not getting something back for it. That's just my opinion on it and I certainly am not trying to force anything on anyone. I do think more thought should go into our spending before we just run out and jump on the "flavor of the month" bandwagon because some guy on the nightly news read a cue card that said something was good for us.
I guess we will agree to disagree.
The Bigger Picture
I'm going to throw one more thing in here as food for thought (pun intended).
I think the support of organic farming has as much to do with supporting the "process" and its consequences, as supporting the "product".
You may have heard that back in the 1940's there was as organochlorine called DDT that was accepted as a "safe" general pesticide that was widely used for many, many years. As it turns out, the residue from this was running off into rivers and streams where it was finding its way into the food chain, accumulating in the flesh of fish as many chemicals do, that were in turn eaten by Bald Eagles and other birds of prey. The eagles, in turn started producing eggs with very thin shells, resulting in a high rate of nesting failures. The bald eagle was diminished to only 400 nesting pairs in 1968 when the EPA recognized that use of DDT was the major part of the problem. It was banned in 1972.
Now, you may not care about the eagles’ plight, but it’s not a big leap to put ourselves in that food chain and hypothesize what toxins (some yet unknown “DDTs” perhaps?) that may be accumulating in the food that we eat, not to mention our drinking water (as someone who depends on a well, I’m very mindful of that). Consider checking your local fish consumption advisory...
Just a thought…I’ll agree to disagree. ;-)
I'm going to throw one more thing in here as food for thought (pun intended).
I think the support of organic farming has as much to do with supporting the "process" and its consequences, as supporting the "product".
You may have heard that back in the 1940's there was as organochlorine called DDT that was accepted as a "safe" general pesticide that was widely used for many, many years. As it turns out, the residue from this was running off into rivers and streams where it was finding its way into the food chain, accumulating in the flesh of fish as many chemicals do, that were in turn eaten by Bald Eagles and other birds of prey. The eagles, in turn started producing eggs with very thin shells, resulting in a high rate of nesting failures. The bald eagle was diminished to only 400 nesting pairs in 1968 when the EPA recognized that use of DDT was the major part of the problem. It was banned in 1972.
Now, you may not care about the eagles’ plight, but it’s not a big leap to put ourselves in that food chain and hypothesize what toxins (some yet unknown “DDTs” perhaps?) that may be accumulating in the food that we eat, not to mention our drinking water (as someone who depends on a well, I’m very mindful of that). Consider checking your local fish consumption advisory...
Just a thought…I’ll agree to disagree. ;-)
Just a question, but why is bigger perceived as somehow worse? Someone previously mentioned that the abundance of healthy, nutritious foods has resulted in increased growth & development.
Is is somehow inferior to be taller, have larger breasts, or mature earlier? Just curious on your thoughts.
Is is somehow inferior to be taller, have larger breasts, or mature earlier? Just curious on your thoughts.
I do believe that milk has some hormonal issues, but I would question the link between that and the size of young adults. I didn't think they drank enough milk as it is. At least, that's the info I'm getting from all the osteoporosis/medical groups. They say that young people don't drink enough milk and drink too much soda and it's affecting their bones? Not sure what to believe, but am holding to the idea that it's a natural progression. I don't know too many people who are shorter/smaller than their parents. I HOPE my girls are taller than me - I think height is a beautiful thing!!
kathryn
Cathlete
RE: The Bigger Picture
>I think the support of organic farming has as much to do with
>supporting the "process" and its consequences, as supporting
>the "product".
I agree 110%!
It's better for the soil (replenishing nutriients taken from it by using compost, for example, rather than just replenishing some nutrients), for the water (not draining toxic chemicals into lakes and streams), for the workers (who aren't exposed to toxic chemicals in the amounts that they are when working with non-organic crops).
As for the product: while the vitamin content of certain fruits and vegetables is pretty much the same between organically grown and non-organically grown, the mineral content depends on the soil its grown in, so organic produce often has higher mineral content than non-organic.
>I think the support of organic farming has as much to do with
>supporting the "process" and its consequences, as supporting
>the "product".
I agree 110%!
It's better for the soil (replenishing nutriients taken from it by using compost, for example, rather than just replenishing some nutrients), for the water (not draining toxic chemicals into lakes and streams), for the workers (who aren't exposed to toxic chemicals in the amounts that they are when working with non-organic crops).
As for the product: while the vitamin content of certain fruits and vegetables is pretty much the same between organically grown and non-organically grown, the mineral content depends on the soil its grown in, so organic produce often has higher mineral content than non-organic.
kathryn
Cathlete
>Just a question, but why is bigger perceived as somehow
>worse? Someone previously mentioned that the abundance of
>healthy, nutritious foods has resulted in increased growth &
>development.
>
>Is is somehow inferior to be taller, have larger breasts, or
>mature earlier? Just curious on your thoughts.
At some point, that extra growth could also be a risk factor for cancer, which is pretty much an uncontrolled growth of cells.
>worse? Someone previously mentioned that the abundance of
>healthy, nutritious foods has resulted in increased growth &
>development.
>
>Is is somehow inferior to be taller, have larger breasts, or
>mature earlier? Just curious on your thoughts.
At some point, that extra growth could also be a risk factor for cancer, which is pretty much an uncontrolled growth of cells.
Well, it would tough to answer with my family. My DH and I are both 5'8" on the nose. My two boys are 6'4" and 5'11" respectively. Both are above average at their school with the rest of the males. For the record, in my family all the men are at least 6' tall for many generations. However, in my DH's family they are all 5'10" or below.
What I have been noticing is how tall the young girls are getting. It's not unusual to see the girls hitting 6' tall. I've been wondering if this could be attributed to nutrition or all the flack about growth hormones in the food we eat.
What I have been noticing is how tall the young girls are getting. It's not unusual to see the girls hitting 6' tall. I've been wondering if this could be attributed to nutrition or all the flack about growth hormones in the food we eat.
It must be different where I'm at because my 2 sons are not tall. They are both average and maybe a little shorter than most. Their friends are not tall with the exception of 1 boy whose parents are also tall. All the girls look average to me and I'm short at only 5'. All of the girls who come around our house look to be anywhere from 5' to 5'5". I don't see how having big breasts can have anything to do with being overweight when I had kind of big breasts with only 13 percent body fat when I was in my 20s.
I'm not saying the food doesn't have anything to do with it, but I think genetics is a very big part of it. My nephew is around 6' and so is his dad. My niece is only 5'2". I think my family is getting shorter than taller from one generation to the next. I'm not near as tall as my grandmother and both of my sons are shorter than their grandfathers.
I'm not saying the food doesn't have anything to do with it, but I think genetics is a very big part of it. My nephew is around 6' and so is his dad. My niece is only 5'2". I think my family is getting shorter than taller from one generation to the next. I'm not near as tall as my grandmother and both of my sons are shorter than their grandfathers.