Unsolicited Parental Advice (long)

Soosan

Cathlete
I have a good friend who is smart, warm and loving. She has a son and a daughter, ages 9 and 10. She is one of the best mothers I know: patient but firm, engaging, fun. Both children are extremely bright, but her son is borderline brilliant. He taught himself to read when he was three, could do geometry in 2nd grade, and has a huge base of scientific and geographical knowledge. The other side (which is often the case) is that this boy is very socially immature. Over the years, I have watched him being disruptive again and again at swim practice, library story-time, parties and boy scouts. He gets behavior slips at school almost daily. He went ballistic at the pool this summer because he got a splinter and his mom told me, "if you think this is bad, you should have seen him at the dentist last week." People avoid friendships with this family because they can't stand being around the poor kid and a couple families I know have even decided not to join the local pool because they didn't want their kids to be around him all the time. Her daughter is often not invited to people's houses because of him. I am no expert, but because he flaps his arms when he runs and has a couple of "ticks," I've been thinking he might be mildly autistic or have a similar condition.

I've always wondered why his parents have never had him tested and have suggested a couple of times that she do so, or at least talk to a school counselor about steps she can take to help him. His teachers have never recommended she do so and she has never asked.

So the other day she asked me if she came off as unapproachable or snobbish, because her husband remarked to her that she never seemed to have extra kids around the way all of her friends do, probably because she sent out those signals. His comments had really upset her. I told her that just the opposite was true - that she's one of the kindest, warmest people I knew, but I didn't have the heart to tell her it's because of her son. Then yesterday at swim practice, he was not following directions and she said something to me about it, wondering why he was always like that. This time I blurted out in no uncertain terms that she should have him evaluated, that she's doing him, her daughter and the rest of the family a huge disservice by not looking into this more, and that if she doesn't soon it might be too late. I told her what I thought about her husband's comments and, when she asked me if other people talked about it, I had to admit that they did. (She's very sensitive to what others think about her, so this was especially hard.) I said that it's not normal for a 9-yr-old to pitch a fit several times a day and that if he were as behind academically as he was socially, she and her DH would have had him evaluated long ago.

Although the conversation hurt her, she didn't seem to be mad at me. I told her I wasn't going to approach the subject again or ask her if she'd gotten him evaluated yet, but if she wanted to talk about it, I'd always be there.

Do you think I did the right thing or should I have butted out? What if his problems are just a part of his personality and there's nothing they can do? I don't want her to distance herself from her friends or feel ostracized. I just want this poor child to get help before it's too late.
 
I think you did the right thing. Sometimes when you're a parent it's hard to see what's obvious to more casual observers. That's because you're right in the middle of a situation and also because it's likely she is used to his outbursts so doesn't think they're unusual. Or she might just be in denial.

I hope this works out for you all...

Marie
 
That must have been hard to do. But I think you did the right thing. I'm dealing with a very similar situation with one of my dear friends here in the nieghborhood. But he's not borderline brilliant. But he has quite a few issues that a 6 year old should not have. I think it's because he's allowed to have these issues at home and she just does nothing about them. There is no disaplin (sp?) at all. It's hard being a friend to someone that you see doing something or not doing something that you think is really affecting their lives. I have a lot of respect for you to be able to say something and say it as gently as you did.

Kathy
 
Sooooooooooooosan:)

I think you did the right thing too. And knowing you I'm sure you were very gentle and tactful. It's hard to hear negative things about our kids, but not dealing with it will only escalate the problem over time. I would sincerely hope she bears no grudge.:)
 
Sooooosan-I feel you handled the situation very well. You are being a very good friend. You explained it to her perfect. And, it is great how you said you won't bring it up again but I'm there for you if you need to talk. Sometimes parents wear blinders and you need to open their eyes and you did that in a very smart way.

And, you sound like such a good parent yourself.

Edit to add that I was a parent that needed my eyes opened when it came to my DD when she was 2. She has amplyopia (sp?) or a lazy eye. A child can go blind in that eye if it is not corrected by the age of 6. I felt like crying at the eye doctor when he told me this and said I should of brought her in much younger as her vision was really bad in her right eye. She is 21 now and her vision is very good.

Joanne
 
Well done, Miz Soooooooooooooooosan!

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I think you handled it well--truthful, tactful, with information and advice she could use.

Also, it doesn't seem that it was totally unsolicited, since she brought up the subject a couple of times. Maybe what you told her was already on her mind and she wanted reassurance, even though it hurts to face the truth sometimes.

You sound like a great friend.

Kristy
 
I totally agree you did the right thing and in the right way. I think the most important thing here is the child and that he is getting what he may need. Even if it turns out he doesn't have a medical issue, he may need therapy to help with social issues. You may have saved him a world of problems in his future and you should feel good about that.
 
Sooooooooooooon,

ITA that you did the right thing. The most important thing is that her son gets the care and attention he needs, and I agree with Marie that it's hard to be objective when it comes to your own. She did solicit your opinion so she clearly realizes something is amiss. I think it would've been wrong to withhold your observations. Sleep well and with a clear conscience...you did the right thing.
 
Soosan - You absolutely did the right thing! :) My daughter sounds very similar to this little boy and working with a therapist has done wonders. Put it this way: if her child had a physical problem and she didn't know what to do, she'd take her child to a doctor, right? Why not the same with psychological problems?

Sue
 
You definately did the right thing, but it's hard to find a good therapist...especially for children...

I work with autistic children, although this is strictly off the record and is labeled "unofficial", in my line of work from what you have mentioned doesn't sound like anything medical... It does however, sound like the whole family needs to go to counseling to figure out what's going on...

Also, does his dad "react" to little things with a bit of a temper and yell or lash out...What about behind closed doors or another close family member??? This is coming from a very close example of a family I knew...Their boys were the very, same way as you described. Their dad was this way...He was always so mad at his wife, never abused her, just resented her alot, she wouldn't go back to school and she only had a minimally paid part-time job. He wanted to enjoy life a little, but couldn't he had to take care of them, so his resentment grew, and we could hear him sometimes yelling at her, and I know those boys heard it too. They both came over to vent steam. They tried counseling, etc. But she refused to work or go to school to help shoulder the financial load...

But yeah, I was the same way, I didn't want those boys over playing with my kids, I thought the boys were unstable, although very intelligent...

Divorce came and went for that couple and those boys were completely different people afterwards. Completely for the better... Dad was home more, and the yelling stopped...The boys now come over and we all have study sessions together, their 12 year old helps me 33 years old with my college calculus!!! The couple takes turns with custody of the boys...


On another note, depending what state you're in, the school will often direct the child, (given nothing is medically, physically wrong) to see a doctor who can prescibe a psychologist to administer long and expensive behavior therapy and yes, probably the common diagnosis in America for children who can't be controlled, RIDALIN, which I am completely against...Only 1.3% of children on Ridalin, actually have any deficit disorders, but hey, no one knows what to do with them and with the proper referrals, bam, the child is all of a sudden calm and in control again, everyone's happy...BE CAREFUL...

I wonder if they are consistent, the main word here is "consistent" with a proper and effective form of discipline...

What examples is he learning from, could be an issue...

Another common problem, the dad works, ALOT, so he can't be home much, and when he is, is very tired and wants to relax a little, meanwhile alot of women (I'm not saying your friend is this way) don't know how to really talk to their son, ...so they'll leave the problem (pool) for the dad to talk to the son about, which never really gets addressed until much later...if at all...

Carrie

:) :) :)

Sorry for going on and on, this is an area I have a great deal of passion for...
 
You absolutely did the right thing. It's very hard to see things objectively when you're the parent. You get used to behavorial issues, you accomodate learning disabilities, you don't want to face that your precious little child might need help you can't provide.

You handled it great too. Your friend is very lucky to have you around. You did good.


"Age is a question of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter." Satchel Paige
 
Soooooooooooooooooosan,
You did the right thing in telling that mother the truth. You seem like a caring person and the way you told her was nicely done, honest but not in a mean way. This poor boy seems to need serious help. He really should be evaluated. I hope she talks to her pediatrician and possibly school counselors for a referral. My son used to do the arm flapping and has mild OCD. He has Tourrettes's Syndrome and Asberger's Syndrome which is a form of Autism. He's doing wonderful now.....
Jen
 
You did the right thing. He sounds like he needs to be evaluated for Aspergers, at least. I have a son who is a younger version and has made amazing progress. It is sad that society blames the family or decides kids like this are "bad", because it makes them feel safe as though Autism and other behavioral disorders will never affect them. Before my son was diagnosed, we were tearing out our hair and beating ourselves up as to why we could not get our son to behave or stop having tantrums despite every trick in every parenting book I could find and practically memorize. I have never worked so hard at something and been so ineffective....It was a relief to take him to a psychologist and have it sorted out.

Our pediatrician was absolutely no help at all, the epidemic in childhood developmental disorders seem to have caught them off guard. It wasn't until we got to a child psychologist did we get someone to listen to us and his teachers. Tell her not to give up if they blow her off.

I wish your friend the very best. She will do well with a good friend like you to listen to her. My son has also responded to the gluten free casein free diet (wheat and dairy free) and that improved a TON of symptoms. At times these are latent food sensitivities (NOT allergies) that cause the behaviors or contribute to them.

Hope this helps. You did the right thing, try not to feel uncomfortable....reaching out to your friend will really help her, as having a special kid can be VERY socially isolating. People are so judgemental. Keep reaching out to her.

Jen
 
I can't tell you all how much your caring words and great advice mean to me. Thank you so very much!

I'm happy to report that she called me this morning to thank me for bringing this up with her and that she and her DH were going to get him evaluated. We live in a rural area and it might be difficult for her to get answers, but I hope she perseveres. As I said, she's really a wonderful mother and deals with his outbursts with patience but firmness. They do not spoil him or let him get away with things one bit. She's done better than most people could do - it's obvious the child and this family need outside help.

If anyone has anything else to add, I'd love to hear it. Thanks again.:)
 
Soooooosan,

Your description of the little boy's behavior sounds similar to things my mildly autistic (Asperger's Syndrome) 15 year old DS used to do. I started on the doctor rounds with him when he was 2 1/2 or 3 years old because I knew there was something that was not quite right. It took until he was 9 years old to get the correct diagnosis with the reason being because I stumbled across Tony Atwood's book "Asperger's Syndrome: A Guide For Parents and Professionals" and actually saw my sons behavior described.

Of course, I have no idea if your friend's little boy falls on the autism spectrum but here's a link to Tony Atwood's book at amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Asperger-Synd...=pd_bbs_1/104-4449839-8724745?ie=UTF8&s=books

The excerpt provided at amazon is what I read and then knew that Asperger's Syndrome is what we were dealing with here. Anyway, that's one place to start.
 
Sooooooooooooosan,

Of course you did the right thing.

As mom to a child who deals with bipolar disorder/ADHD and another who deals with CP and High Functionin Autism, it sounds as if this child has "something to deal with".

I'm glad the child's parents were receptive and plan to seek evaluation.
 
You all are right that the problem is the parents are too close to the situation to be objective. I think this can sometimes apply to teachers as well.

Jen, how long did it take for your son to get the correct diagnosis? (Didn't Elaine say it took over 6 years to diagnose her son?) I imagine lots of families give up and just deal with the problem themselves. I hope this family sticks with it, but I'm afraid they may not. Does insurance usually cover this type of evaluation and follow-up? Money is an issue.

Elaine, thanks for the link to the book. If my friend asks my advice again, I'll recommend it. I had mentioned Asperger's to her in the past and, after doing a bit of online research, she ruled it out.
 
Soooosan-

My previous job was an office manager for "Metro Therapy Special Children's Clinic". Evaluations and therapy was covered by most insurance policy's. Hopefully, theirs does too.

Joanne
 

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