Soy: Yea or Nay?

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Cathlete
I'm a huge milk fan. I've always loved it. My whole family loves it too, going through 3 gallons a week.

Then I read about how good soy is for you, so I switched over to soy milk. Not quite the same, but I could handle it. I did well on it too. No G.I. problems, my infrequent hot flashes disappeared, and my skin behaved.

Then I read about a possible link between soy and breast cancer. Having just had a breast biopsy on a couple of microcalcifications, I was not too happy. Out went the soy milk.

Now I'm back to skim milk but wondering if my concern over soy is unnecessary. In addition, I'm wondering how safe my skim milk is. A link between milk and ovarian cancer?! Skim could be worse than whole?! Argh!

As you can probably tell, I'm seriously confused. And reading about it is just as irritating as reading about dog training ~ there are all kinds of thoughts, opinions, and results, and some opinions directly conflict each other.

I'm considering adopting a diet of vegetables, fruits, and chocolate. :mad:
 
I think it is wise to avoid concentrated soy products (like soy "meat analogs," and isolated or concentrated soy protein in bars and beverages), and to use other forms of soy in moderation (2-3 servings/day of edamame, tempeh, soy milk or tofu).

My favorite milk is nut or seed milk (soak raw nuts overnight, then rinse, blend with water and straing---I have a soymilk/nutmilk maker so I don't have to do the straining). So far, I've tried almond, macademia and hemp (with the latter, there's no straining, just blending with water) and plan to try Brazil nut (good source of selenium), hazel nut (I've had the Pacific brand and it's good, so I imagine the raw stuff would be as well), and sunflower and sesame (I'm thinking of doing a taste test, making a small amount of each, and then experimenting to see which ones, or what combos, are best).
 
I'm a huge milk fan. I've always loved it. My whole family loves it too, going through 3 gallons a week.

Then I read about how good soy is for you, so I switched over to soy milk. Not quite the same, but I could handle it. I did well on it too. No G.I. problems, my infrequent hot flashes disappeared, and my skin behaved.

Then I read about a possible link between soy and breast cancer. Having just had a breast biopsy on a couple of microcalcifications, I was not too happy. Out went the soy milk.

Now I'm back to skim milk but wondering if my concern over soy is unnecessary. In addition, I'm wondering how safe my skim milk is. A link between milk and ovarian cancer?! Skim could be worse than whole?! Argh!

As you can probably tell, I'm seriously confused. And reading about it is just as irritating as reading about dog training ~ there are all kinds of thoughts, opinions, and results, and some opinions directly conflict each other.

I'm considering adopting a diet of vegetables, fruits, and chocolate. :mad:

Just wanted to jump in and say that I also get confused about it, and posted a similar question not long ago. The dangers I've read about are the phytic acid, phytoestrogens, trypsin inhibitors, and other things that remain when soy is not fermented. I've read that fermented soy products like tempeh get rid of (can't remember if completely or not) these chemicals and may actually be health foods. I don't know...every time I read something pro-soy, someone else says the soy industry is behind it. Every time I read something against soy, it seems like I can find someone who says the dairy industry is behind it.

One thing I have noticed is that lots of processed/packaged foods that you wouldn't even think contained soy have some in it, oftentimes as a filler, and I never even realized it. It's in like everything! When you see vegetable oil in a product, it may be soybean oil. I am doing what Kathryn mentioned, as well as avoiding products that have soy fillers.

Nut milks are great! I love almond milk..I know it is so hard to figure out how to cook/eat the way you are used to when you suddenly can't/don't want to have milk anymore.
 
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i got scared off of soy when i was pregnant with our son in 2007 -- my ob/gyn told me to avoid it because i was carrying a boy and there are concerns about the levels of natural estrogens in soy and the effects on male fetuses. she also told me to avoid it while breastfeeding. once i weened our son from breastfeeding i never went back to soy.. i've been weary of the reports linking it to cancer.

i personally drink fat-free calcium-fortified lactaid milk (i'm lactose intolerant) and my husband and our son drink whole organic milk.
 
It depends!

I seem to be saying that a lot lately. It depends on whether or not you are estrogen dominant (like me) or not. I don't do the soy because I'm estrogen dominant (PCO bummers) I used to do a lot of soy cause I thought my body was too androgenous (facial hair, thick in the waist etc.) Then I discovered that excess estrogen is converted into testosterone. And, when I started taking a testosterone blocker (cheap over the counter saw palmetto) I started to see the effects of my own estrogen (softer skin, longer eye lashes, fuller in the hip, less facial hair.) I'm more worried about the estrogen.

But, if you get organic cow's milk it can be really good for you providing you don't have an intolerance for cow's milk. Grass fed cow's have a different lipid profile (fat chains) than the milk from corn fed cow's. You need to remember that corn is not a natural feed for cow's, they are supposed to eat grass. Grass fed cows take less antibiotics.

I don't drink much milk. But, when I do its organic whole milk because colostrum, which is in the fat, helps me with my bones. Its fat soluble and only occurs in the fat. It along with vit. d and calcium really help with my bone density. I have broken several bones. I shattered my foot running to answer the phone. I don't run for the phone anymore.

I hope that wasn't too much of a ramble :eek:
 
I wouldn't mind trying almond milk. Think I could do it with my regular old blender, or do I need something more powerful?
 
I love Almond Milk and won't drink anything else. I don't make it myself though, and wow whoever does, I'm totally impressed -- I buy it at Whole Foods. My favorite is the unsweetened vanilla. It's the best on granola or Go Lean Crunch :)
 
I'm a huge milk fan. I've always loved it. My whole family loves it too, going through 3 gallons a week.

Then I read about how good soy is for you, so I switched over to soy milk. Not quite the same, but I could handle it. I did well on it too. No G.I. problems, my infrequent hot flashes disappeared, and my skin behaved.

Then I read about a possible link between soy and breast cancer. Having just had a breast biopsy on a couple of microcalcifications, I was not too happy. Out went the soy milk.

Now I'm back to skim milk but wondering if my concern over soy is unnecessary. In addition, I'm wondering how safe my skim milk is. A link between milk and ovarian cancer?! Skim could be worse than whole?! Argh!

As you can probably tell, I'm seriously confused. And reading about it is just as irritating as reading about dog training ~ there are all kinds of thoughts, opinions, and results, and some opinions directly conflict each other.

I'm considering adopting a diet of vegetables, fruits, and chocolate. :mad:


Sounds like a good diet if your chocolate is dark chocolate :cool:

As to soy, I guess the modern gospel of food production is "Soy is good for you". Soy has become the main cash cow for Monsato, a lot of research that has been done has been sponsored through Monsanto. Virtually any research that has been done independently indicates that soy is not healthy - on the contrary.

The concern with soy is that soy contains isoflavones (estrogen-like substances) which may stimulate the estrogen receptors of breast cancer cells and promote cancer growth.

Regardless of this theory is correct or not, I would stay away from processed soy like soy milk, soy protein, break fast links, etc. If you look at how soy milk is processed it doesn't strike me as anything healthy. The beans are ground at high temperatures and then the remaining oils will be extracted with solvents. The meal is then mixed with an alkaline solution and sugars, in a separation process to remove fibre. Then it is precipitated and separated, using an acid wash. During every step some of the solvents and chemicals stay in the product. Of course the manufacturers and regulators will say it is only a tiny amount that doesn't really have any effect on humans. Personally, I will leave it to them to test it on themselves, I am not playing guinea pig for them.

Soy contains phytic acid which impairs the absorption of all minerals, particularly calcium as well as trypsin inhibitors which makes it even more difficult for the body's immune system to detect cancer cells.

Another problem is that at least 30 % (if not more) of the American grown soy is genetically modified and American law permits these crops to be mixed with a small amount of organic soybeans and the whole thing can be labeled organic. This is for those of you who ask if organic soy is safe.

There are theories that the link between breast / ovarian / prostate cancer and dairy consumption is similar to the link between smoking and lung cancer.

Dr. Campbell in his book The China Study goes into great detail how this mechnism works and they were in fact able in experiments able to turn cancer growth on and off by feeding or eliminating casein.

In his study of 6,500 rural Chinese, Campbell found that most consume no dairy products, obtaining their calcium from vegetables. Osteoporosis is uncommon in China, even though the people there consume only half the amount of calcium most Westerners consume. Incidence of prostate cancer in rural parts of China and Japan, where low-fat diets are the norm, is up to 90 per cent lower than in the West. Yet when Eastern men migrate to the West their chances of being diagnosed with prostate cancer increase. The chances of women in China dying from breast cancer are one in 10,000. American statistics, 1 in 7 woman will be diagnosed with breast cancer.

One of the problems appears to be that dairy contains IGF-1, a growth hormone which appears to stimulate cancer growth.
Cow's milk has IGF-1, and IGF-1 levels increase in cows treated with bovine growth hormone, rBGH. (Estimates range from twice as high to ten times higher.) Pasteurization does not destroy IGF-1, but increases its concentration instead.

There is IGF-1 in cow's milk that is identical to the IGF-1 found in humans already, which could lead to the ease with which we absorb it from milk. IGF-1 is found in higher concentrations in the bodies of people who consume dairy products.

There is also research about the problems that pasteurization and homogenisation of milk being a contributing factor to many diseases including autoimmune diseases, asthma, cancer, etc.

I hear you on being addicted to milk, we used to consume about the same amount of milk your family does. I was a cheese whore, I am from Europe for crying out loud. It still is hard for me to walk by the cheese section at Trader Joe's. I never thought I'd be able to do it but it was the best thing I ever did. There is a tremendous difference in how I feel, no bloating, no gas, no sinus infections, more energy and much improved bloodwork.
 
Everything in moderation

Hey
As someone that is lactose intolerant I ended up switching to soymilk out of necessity. I have looked at research on both sides and for every article I find one way I find another pointing the opposite. I also have celiac disease so I can not digest wheat, barley or rye and am still in the healing process, so any sort of nuts (anything hard to digest, beans, brassica family veggies) or processed nuts do not work for me. I try to make soy part of my diet as it gives a few more alternatives. However I try to have no more than 2 servings a day. Many of the studies that are usually sited had people consuming large quantities of soy on a daily basis. As it is with all foods, it seems too much of one thing can be harmful. Everything is going to kill you in the end. I try to eat clean and be level headed.

Heather
 
I split the difference as I love both. I generally drink 1% dairy milk when I'm drinking it, or using it for cooking. I'm about 50/50 on which kind I put in my coffee. I do like soy for cereal, although I love dairy milk there, too. I basically keep both kinds in the house and then use whichever strikes my fancy at the time. That way I get the benefits without getting too much of either.
 
I just tried almond milk, both store bought and homemade. Pretty good! It goes very well with BSN powder.

I'd rather continue making my own though ~ anyone have a good recipe? The one I found used 1 cup of almonds to 3 cups of water plus 4 dates. It was more bland than the store bought product, which wasn't a huge surprise, so I added a teaspoon of vanilla.
 

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