?smaller waist?

cathe4me2

Cathlete
Hi Cathe,
I posted under the thread "too many Krispie Cremes" but the title is probably misleading....
I was wondering what is the fastest way to whittle the waistline?
Cardio steps, Kickboxing or jogging?

I know a combination of the above plus weight work will evenutally get the results as I have done it before. Just curious as to what is the fastest way to lose a few inches.

Thanks for your help.
Wanda
 
I would say that the quickest way to getting a smaller waistline is eating a clean diet. Cut down on the refined carbs and stay away from white flour products.

I have found that all the cardio in the world won't trim down that waistline. It's what you put in your mouth will reflect in your waistline and abs.

Hope this helps.

Lorrayne
 
Thanks for replying to my question. It doesn't take too many doughnuts to sabatage a good program....????

Cathe also answered my question under the Krispie Kreme thread.
I'm upping my cardio and definately watching what goes in my mouth...:D :D

Wanda
 
Wanda,
I can't agree with the contention that diet is the answer to a slimmer waist. Scientific fact is that if you take in more than you expend, you will store the excess in the form of fat, regardless of whether that excess comes from eating too much or moving too little.

Conversely, if you expend more than you take in, you will lose body fat. It doesn't matter if you take in less or exercise more, the bottom line is the same. And, diet does NOT change the way your body uses food. Exercise does.

Am I saying diet is irrelevant? No. And there are some specifics of diet that do make a difference--blood sugar, insulin levels and thermic effect of food, for example. What I am saying is that eating relatively healthily and adherence to an exercise program that includes strength and cardio training is the best and easiest way to develop and maintain a lean physique.

Sugar and white flour don't make you fat--eating more calories' worth of these(and anything else for that matter) than you expend per day will.

If anyone is interested, I will post some info on blood sugar, insulin levels and thermic effect of food later. I'm doing an article on these and a couple of other topics for a physician friend to pass out to her patients--it would be great to be able to run it by you guys first for readability!

Maribeth
 
Hi Maribeth,
I too would be interested in your research. I've always felt that if I even LOOKED at sugar I would gain inches in the torso and hips...:D:D
Will your research also show a difference in the way a body burns calories as it gets older? Just wondering, as I seem to have a harder time in this middle age. LOL

P.S. A great big HI to Deborah :)

Wanda
 
Oh Wanda!
Didn't you hit the nail on the head! :) I'm finding that as I'm getting older I'm having a harder time with specific areas not shaping up as quickly as they used to. :(


Maribeth,
I'd love to read your research also! :)
 
Since I wrote "diet without a doubt" I feel a bit of a need to explain myself. But first let me say that I agree with ALL that you had to say.

Note that Wanda asked for the "FASTEST" way to slim your waistline. My main point was that it is just all too easy to undo a workout with a few, or even one, bad food choices.

In the short term, you will get no where at all if you don't watch your diet.

Jeanne
 
Maribeth, that would be a wonderful topic for us! I always wonder about sugar. I try so hard to avoid it, but I undeniably have the most persistent sweet tooth ever! I do try to tame it with healty sweets, but a week doesn't go by that I don't take a bite or two of chocolate!

Denise
 
What I Found

Ok, guys, here goes!

Looking at diet and exercise as pertains to fat loss, there is tons of misinformation out there. The number of fad diets, gimmicks and latest and greatest secrets are staggering. Funny thing is, though, most of the factoids and myths have a grain of truth to them--problem is, that grain of truth becomes incredibly stretched and distorted, all for the almighty buck.

First factoid and the truth behind it: Protein won't make you fat. Wrong. Any calories consumed in excess of what you expend will be stored as fat. Grain of truth here is that protein requires the expenditure of approximately 25-40% of its caloric value for digestion and storage. This is known as the thermic effect of food. What this means is that if you consume 100 calories of protein, between 25 and 40 of those calories will be burned in the digestion and storage process. Compared to the thermic effect of carbohydrates (8%) and the thermic effect of fat (3%), a very significant portion of the caloric content of protein is expended in digestion and storage. So, there is a grain of truth to the "protein won't make you fat" statement--to a degree--a more accurate statement would be that excess calories consumed in the form of protein won't make you as fat as the same number of excess calories in the form of carbohydrates or fat, due to the net calorie value when you account for the thermic effect of each nutrient. BTW, this info combined with the fact that fat is a much more calorie dense nutrient, is where the low dietary fat = low body fat thinking came from.

The effect of blood sugar and insulin levels on body fat is the concept on which low carb diets are based. According to the low carb enthusiasts, carbohydrates are to be avoided because they increase blood sugar levels, which in turn increases insulin levels. The grain of truth here is that insulin is a hormone that promotes fat storage and blocks its use as a fuel for exercise. And, high glycemic index carbs, when eaten alone do spike blood sugar levels, leading to an insulin surge. But to assume that eating carbs prevents the body from using fat as a fuel for exercise in people with normal insulin responses is erroneous. Once underway, exercise causes the body to release chemicals known as catecholamines. These catecholamines blunt the insulin response, which in turn opens the door for utilization of fat as a fuel for exercise.

Many of those in the low carb camps advocate exercising on an empty stomach to promote the utilization of fat as a fuel for exercise. Again, the grain of truth here is that high glycemic index carbs do cause a rapid increase in blood sugar, which does lead to an insulin surge (effectively countered by circulating catecholamines as described above in people with normal insulin responses). And, since glucose is required by the body for all sorts of things, a glycogen depleted state will cause the body to make glucose from fat and protein (called gluconeogenesis). Fallacy here is that without the presence of carbohydrates, fat cannot be burned aerobically, period. Additionally, without an adequate supply of glycogen (the storage form of glucose), the body fatigues very rapidly, resulting in shorter, less intense exercise sessions, yielding a lower caloric expenditure overall. And, what they don't tell you as far as gluconeogenesis goes is that the body will burn at least as much protein in the form of lean muscle as it will fat (more, in most cases) to make the glucose, leaving you with less body fat, but less muscle mass, which results in a decrease in metabolic rate.

Finally, the low carb enthusiasts make out insulin to be the bad guy. Granted, insulin does promote fat storage, but it also promotes muscle growth. To try to totally negate increases in insulin levels is counterproductive when the goal is improving body composition by gaining lean muscle mass as well as losing fat.

Here are a few of my own theories--first, there are people for whom a 10-14 day period on a low carb diet could be helpful. Those who have chronically high insulin levels--too high for the blunting effect of catecholamines to have much impact--may be able to get their hyperactive insulin responses back to normal by following a restricted carb diet for a short term (10-14 days). Could they achieve the same results with a solid exercise program? Without a doubt, if they are patient enough to give the program sufficient time to work. For those who aren't, the short term low carb option may provide the kick start they need to keep them motivated.

I also think that the RDA for protein is too low, especially for active people. And, it makes little sense to base protein intake on total body weight--the person who is 10% body fat and the person who is 25% body fat, both of whom weigh 150 pounds will not have the same protein requirements. Muscle requires a constant supply of protein to maintain itself--a person with a higher percentage of muscle will require more protein than another person of the same weight at a lower percentage of muscle mass. IMHO, a more accurate estimate of protein requirements takes into account lean muscle mass and activity level, particularly resistance training and sprint type activities. The formulae available now just don't take these factors into consideration heavily enough.

Man, this is getting to be a book!! I'll post more on the topic later, if you aren't bored by now!

Thanks for reading!
Maribeth
 
There was quite a thread about this awhile back. Some of us went the clean eating route others more intuitive eating.

We started in Feb. I started drinking more water - stopped eating white flour and sugar. My weight was pretty good to start so it wasnt so much about losing weight - I had a physcial today and actually realized how good I feel. I have a lot more energy and feel "healthier". A few weeks ago I had some sugar (my favorite candy and actually got a head ache!

For me "I'm a black and white person" this approach worked - for others it feels to restrictive. For me it was great not having to do "how much is enough" easier to say nope!

Anyhow my daughter lost 10 lbs (she just had her physical) and the doctor was especially happy to see a teenager doing it in moderation and told her how since it was a life style change it would stay off.

Agree you need both the clean eating and excercising!

Good luck
 
Although I am not negating healthy eating, the bottom line is that if you expend more than you consume, short or long term, you lose bodyfat. It doesn't matter whether you eat healthily or live on cookies--calories do count, regardless of whether it is from a consumption standpoint or an expenditure standpoint.

You burn an extra 500 calories per day or you consume 500 fewer calories per day, the net result at the end of the week is a loss of approximately 1 pound. That's just thermodynamics at work--energy changing form. You won't lose weight any quicker by limiting daily intake by 500 calories than you will by increasing activity expenditure by 500 calories. It's like the old question "Which weighs more--a pound of fat or a pound of muscle?" Of course, they both weigh the same--one pound. It's the volume that is different. Muscle is a much more dense substance than is fat, so it takes up less room per pound. In the case of exercise vs diet, you lose weight both ways in equal increments if you create a caloric deficit.

Again, it isn't the cookies, sugar or white flour making people fat--it is the overconsumption or underexpenditure of the calories involved. I eat all the above every day, but it is in controlled amounts. My body fat is at 18%, not bad for a 41 year old. But, I don't miss workouts and I focus my energies on strength training primarily.

Sorry if this is a disagreeable position, but science backs me up. Ya can't argue with the first law of thermodynamics.

Maribeth
 
Maribeth,

No, no -- yours is not a disagreeable position. As I said before, I agree with you. And, I think you are stating your position quite well.

Surely the *fastest* way to lose weight is of course to create a defecit from both diet and exercise.

In the actual world of practice, I think many people can create the exercise defecit. But I think many fail to create any diet defecit, or that they many even undo the exercise defecit by overeating.

So, in the spirit of advise giving, I felt inclined to emphasize the diet part of it.

I like to read posts like your that explain that one can still eat bread (for e.g.) and still lose weight. I, personally, can't do any eating programs that cut out certain foods or certain foods at particular times of the day. I also put my faith in your above mentioned "bottom line."

Jeanne (who tries to eat low glycemic or to moderate higher glycemic foods with lower ones or a touch of fat.)
 
Oh gosh. I just reread my post. I bet we could start debating how creating too large of a defecit thru diet and exercise both could result in muscle loss. But I guess that would still be fast weight loss in the short term. But it wouldn't be wise for long-term weight loss. Hmm...I guess this is why there are so many diets, books, magazine articles, web sites, etc. So many view points... Jeanne
 
Key Point-Net Deficit

Jeanne,
A deficit is counted at the end of the day--just burning calories doesn't mean you have created a deficit. As you mentioned, if a person burns 300 calories by exercise and eats an additional 300 above what s/he needs to maintain their body weight, no deficit is created--the exercise expenditure is negated by the increase in intake.

Given this definition of deficit, it doesn't matter whether a net caloric deficit is created through increased activity or decreased intake--the result is the same. Weight won't come off faster by dieting than it will with exercise if the net deficit created each day is the same--500 calories more expended yields the same result as 500 calories less consumed. The key point is there is a net deficit has to be created if fat is to be lost.

Considering there are only so many hours a day available for exercise, some people may have to combine a decreased intake with an increased expenditure--ie, eat fewer calories and exercise more--for optimal results. But regardless of the method--diet or exercise or both, the determining factor in fat loss is creating a net caloric deficit, which can be done via exercise alone. Remember, though, there is only a net deficit if the calories burned at the end of a 24 hour period exceeds the calories consumed.

Maribeth
 
RE: Key Point-Net Deficit

This is how I understand the issue of creating a defecit. My message obivously didn't make the point. But, really, Maribeth, your posts are very well written. I am not sure what you do for a living, but I am glad to hear that you are doing some professional writing! I think your article for the patients will be great. Jeanne
 
RE: Key Point-Net Deficit

Hey, Jeanne!
Thanks for the kind words! I'm a physical therapist, certified athletic trainer, certified personal trainer and registered clinical exercise physiologist (my master's degree is in exercise physiology). Exercise science isn't only my profession, but my passion, hence my loooonnngg posts! ; )
Maribeth
 

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