It doesn't seem like there are that many of us apples out there! Or none of us have had any success. Renee, I feel your pain. I have been working out with Cathe for 13 years and have never been able to redefine my shape, even though I have cut out a lot of carbs. I probably eat too many calories. I too feel like giving up some times, but them I think what if I do....I may explode. Anyway, we just have to keep working and I thank God for Cathe and her workouts. I can't imagine what shape I would be in if I had not started working out with her. Cathe and crew and this forum give me the support and encouragement to keep pushing ahead. One good thing was that I went on a wilderness trip with heavy portaging last week and out did the peple who were 17 years younger than me. They were all sore. I was tired at the end but then bounced back much more quickly. I could have done it again in an hour and they could hardly walk. I am willing to do the work, but I need to know how and what to change.