My attempt at helping some of you. :) Please read.

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trevor

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Hi everyone! Okay, I am certainly not an expert but I have alot of workout experience, mainly on my own with Cathe, the gym, or any of a number of different types of activities through the years. I have also doen kickboxing, spin, a little yoga, and a bunch of other classes as well. I am also a former mountain bike racer. I know how to keep myself in shape that's for sure.
I am starting to read alot of posts from people who have alot of questions about whether they are doing things correctly for fat loss, definition, or even perhaps muscling up a bit.
Well the quick answer is that "correct" means whatever works for you. You have to experiment, be willing to change things up, and be open minded about it a bit.
Just to let you know, I am a hard-gainer, meaning I have a naturally high metabolism and a thin frame. Last fall I was 6 foot/165 to 168 pounds. And too thin in my mind. So I changed things up tremendously from any style of working out I had ever done. I had always changed stuff around, but I found I was wasting alot of time, especially with cardio. So with alot of playing around I have finally recently got the body about where I want it. It's still a work in progress of course. LOL! But I am now at 6 feet/190 pounds and holding the weight on, which was always a problem. I have gotten alot of comments about how I look more solid than before. I feel great too. And I have added alot of muscle along without losing my cardio capacity, which was always my strong point.
I am going to list 'talking points"....LOL!! for what I am doing now that some of you might be interested in. If your goals are fat loss along with muscle gain then give it a try. A little tweaking may be in order because people are different of course. Here's my plan:
1. I stopped killing myself with 45 min or 1 hour cardio sessions where I just lolly-gagged along.
2. I re-introduced cardio using what basically amounts to HIT, or high intensity interval training. This type of training involves intensity and explosiveness, which is great for fat burning and muscle.
3. For me, this means I usually do 20 to 30 mins. 3 times a week of high intensity intervals. Example---20 mins on treadmill where for 2 mins I do a 8 min per mile pace and then 1 min going 6:15 per mile pace. Then repeat.
4. Doesn't sound like much but try it. I guarantee a killer cardio session with better reults than just jogging 6 miles.
5. Mix up the cardio FREQUENTLY or you will burn out. Remember that you don't necessarily have to move fast to get the heart rate up. Example-- this week I was sick of sprint type work, so I used the stairmaster on manual mode and did it for 30 mins. 2 times, taking 2 steps at a time until I couldn't take anymore, slowed down a bit,then speeded up again, etc. And I EXPLODED thru the step movement. My heart rate was VERY high!!
6. You can incorporate Cathe into this....hell she's an intensity freak! For me though, I might just do IMAX and to hold the time down a bit I might only do the really intense parts, or combine it with something else.
7. I use stairmaster, treadmill, elliptical when at the club. I also mix in classes like spin when I can. Outside it's mountain biking, inline skates, hill sprints.....ANYTHING where the heart rate goes up.
8. Get yourself an HR monitor, figure your work range CORRECTLY, or close to correct, using the Karvonen formula. I keep myself at 70% to 85% of Karvonen max most of the time. If I go off that scale I either speed up or slow down accordingly.
9. Any cardio nuts in here who do like an hour or more a day of cardio, that is cool. But for ME, that's wasted time because it shreds hard earned muscle off of me. Plus, I have a life outside training! LOL! It also comes down to goals. Long distance is ok if it makes you feel good, or if you are a competitive runner or something like that. But for me, I want a muscular sprinter type body and what I am outlining here is giving it to me.
10. As for weights----SUPERSETS SUPERSETS SUPERSETS!!!!! OR TRISETS, TRISETS TRISETS!!! This month I am supersetting like muscles using pre-exhaust method. This is where you pre-exhaust using an isolation move, then jump to another exercise for same group and do that. An example might be leg extensions followed by squats. Supersets save time. They are mostly a BODYSHAPING type of training and less so for pure strength. So keep that in mind.
11. I do try to improve about 5 pounds on all exercises say every 2 weeks or so.
12. Change up exercises every month or month and a half. Change lifting speeds also.
13. I train with the purpose of attempting to hit type1 and 2 muscle fibers based on some articles I have read. So for instance I will do 3 sets with heavy weight for 8-9 reps to hit the type 2 fibers. I "explode" thru the lift phase, then it's 4 seconds on the negative. The negative is VERY important for muscle development. The 4th set is low weight/high rep to hit the slow twitch type 1 fibers. For me that means 30 reps done slowly. It burns soooooooooo badly and you will be dying at the end if you have the weight chosen correctly.
14. Again change it up. Next month I may go 2 heavy set and 2 light ones, or 3 and 2. Just so long as you don't allow yourself to get in a rut or let your body get used to anything.
Think I covered everything and I gotta run!
Replies are welcome! :)
Trevor
 
Trevor
Very informative as always and ladies Ihave taken trevors advice and it works less cardio at more intense and more weights
Thanks Trevor
Lisa
 
Hi Lisa!! Hope you are well. Haven't heard from you in awhile.....
T. :)
 
Thanks Trevor. As a huge cardio nut,(distance runner) I found your post quite interesting...my question is how do circuit style workouts fit in, or do they? Like Bootcamp, SJP and the workouts from the Terminator. I had always heard circuit style burned more fat than traditional cardio too. Does it depend on the intensity?...thanks for any info...:)...Carole
 
Hi Trevor,
Thanks for posting your workout plans and your experiences. I keep hearing about the 'multiplanar moves' these days. Have you seen the Tracie Long workouts and the trailer of the new ones she will be releasing? She talks a lot about multiplanar moves...??? And while I have questions...hahah Have you see the workout idea that Kathyrn and Annette has come up with? It is so coool. I hope Cathe takes a look and will make a video using this idea....

I agree with you that all cardio does not a great body make. I didn't start getting some muscle definition until I started using weights and then heavy up as far as I could go.

The idea of supersets at first, it seemed strange to be breaking away from the usual way of using weights, but I like using this method for a change.

(getting closer to graduation so I may get to be on board here more often....LOL)
 
Wow Trev! Thanks for taking the time to post all that info. I am definitely going to give it a whirl when I am healed and ready to push hard. I would love to cut my workout time down at times to fit in other things. Thanks for "helping" us out. Sooo appreciated.
Your-Friend-In-Fitness, DebbieH http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/wavey.gif[/img] If You Get The Choice To Sit It Out Or Dance...I Hope You DANCE!!!
 
Circuit training is sort of like intervals, I think! LOL! If by circuit you mean going from station to station incorporating lifting and cardio together? I myself prefer to keep cardio and weights separate so I can concentrate more on that particular activity.
T. :)
 
Hi there!
I need to check on multiplanar moves. I haven't heard of it, or if I am doing it, I haven't referred to it in that manner. :)
T. :)
 
Hey Deb!! Get that injury healed so you can muscle up with us girl!! LOL!
I don't know if this is gonna help anyone, but I just want everyone to try to get as much out of their workouts as possible without having to give up their lives, or without giving up totally because they are frustrated with not seeing results. I guess that's the bottom line. Everyone in here is capable of having the body they want, or having nearly what they want. I realize genetics plays a role. But I just think that with a little resourcefulness, motivation, experimentation, and hard work, we all can get great results!
Summer is coming ladies!! It's time to get ourselves in gear, figure out what we want and how to get it, and DO IT! :)
Geez I sound like a darn cheerleader!! LOL!!
Take care Deb! Email me when you can! I love your pics by the way. Uh, the FAMILY pics!! LOL!! I don't want anyone thinking anything differently! LOL!!!!!!!!! :)
Trevor
 
Trevor, you're too funny! Glad you clarified that! :7 I sent you an E-mail this AM about your pix. You are lookin' good. I see some more muscle! Woo-Hooo! Thanks for the cheering us on. I can always use that. (especially NOW!) Thanks buddy!
Your-Friend-In-Fitness, DebbieH http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/wavey.gif[/img] If You Get The Choice To Sit It Out Or Dance...I Hope You DANCE!!!
 
Thanks so much for your post Trevor. It makes absolute sense to me and with info. I've been reading lately. I just can't do CARDIO for an hour. I find myself just dragging along, but not putting all my effort into it. That's why 30 min, sessions 3/4 times a week seems like what my body needs. I have also seen tremendous results when I separated my cardio from my weight training. I could really focus more on what I was doing and give it my all. I also see the benefit of changing things up. I am about to start a S&H rotation for 3 weeks and then plan to move on to either a Body Blast or Pyramid rotation for a while.
 
Thanks, Trevor. Very interesting post and great info! I've been thinking about how to shake up my routine/rotations a bit and gotta admit I LOVE weight training. I'm an hourglass with some nice muscle tone (courtesy of genetics, The FIRM and now Cathe) but wish to become more defined. I'm with you Lisan, I have a hard time doing pure cardio for an hour (always envied those who could and enjoy doing more!...:)) and also like to separate my weight days from my cardio. I've found I have more energy to put behind each type of training that way.

Thanks for sharing, Trevor and for taking the time to write this post. Have a great weekend everyone!

Elizabeth
 
Trevor,
What I got out of reading your post was - up the INTENSITY!
I think we sometimes tend to stay in the comfort zone with our workouts and you reminded us to up the intensity - not only in cardio workouts but weights as well.
Thanks for your taking the time to post all of that information!

Margie
 
Thanks for the post Trevor- as you know I've become a huge fan of the high intensity interval training, I can't emphasize enough that it will work for fat loss. Keep the eating clean and the intensity HIGH (and difficult- you shouldn't be able to do it for longer than 20-30 minutes). You'll see a difference!:)

Cathe- how about a short HIIT workout??
 
Hey, Trevor. Thanks for the post. Quick question: could you define "superset" and which Cathe workouts most resemble what you've been doing. I'm the type that needs the structure of a DVD for weights so I don't have to count myself! Right now I'm doing a modified M&F Hers rotation of one week heavy, one week supersets, one week endurance, and one week circuit with one or two longer cardios and two or three HIIT thrown in (actually, you know we Bikini posters are using HIIT, don't you! Ha! Seriously, I'm lovin' it...very effective!) but I'm interested in your pre-exhausting method. TIA.

CinDee
 
Hi CinDee!
Cathe has a workout called"Supersets" within the Bodyblast series although I think she isn't doing traditional supersetting in that workout. Perhaps she has others?
What I mean by supersetting is taking 2 exercises for a given bodypart, such as leg extensions and squats for quads or flyes and presses for the chest, and performing them one after the other with no rest in between. These particular examples also happen to be examples of pre-exhaust, where you tire a muscle out with an isolation move and then immediately go to a compound move. You can superset opposing groups too, such as tris and bis or chest and back. The workout goes by much more quickly with supersetting and is more intense than straight sets IMHO. I also triset shoulder work, using upright rows, overhead presses, and dumbbell side raises together one after the other with no rest.
Trevor
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Trevor- when you switch do you do one set one/one set another (i.e. flyes/presses/flyes/presses)? You're also doing 2 sets heavy, 1 set light? I was doing this w/the S&H series where I'd do the first 2 sets heavy and double timet the last set w/light weights. Would this work?
Brenda
 
Thanks Trevor:)
I am printing this up now!!(VERY HELPFUL!!)

Oh NO...... more equipment :eek: Now you have me WANTING a heartrate monitor! Any recommendations on one???

I am so impressed that you increase your poundage every 2 weeks. I am such a weakling I have tried going from 8 to 10 dumbbells when doing biceps, and that is only 2 lbs, and when my form starts getting bad I go back to 8lbs.

So if I am understanding you correctly........ Lets say I want to work on my biceps your way. This is what I would do with MY VERY HEAVY 10 pound dumbell lift up and go very slowly down. I do 3 reps of 8. How long of rest inbetween? Then I know my arm will really be cooked so I pick a 5lb dumbell and do 30 reps slowly am I right?

Thank you a head of time!!
~Nicole
 
Trevor thanks for taking all that time to share this. Just for the record...I did PUB (my own PUB extreme and expanded) the other day and I did your prescribed shoulder lifts in place of some of Cathes. I did rear delt flies (leaning with my chest into a bench at 45 degrees or so) right into side lat raises and then into military/overhead presses (which I could hardly finish with the heaviest weight) and I paused the tape and added upright rows with a #45 pound bar until failure and then continued with the rest of the tape. I also put in some lat pull downs on my universal gym.

The result.....my shoulders FINALLY ached the following day and I know I've finally found a combination to hit them, which YES I will have to change things up eventually. I'm loving HIIT type training and it is completely different than 60 minutes of step. Thanks again!!

Briee
 

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