Let's talk about change

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tytbody

Cathlete
As I wrote another entry in the Ask Cathe forum. I thought about changes in life.

Why is it people find it hard to change? Fear of the unknown? Someone might know something you don't? It's been that way for years?

In my church, If it kept going the way it was for years, there would never be a new one.

when you car works for years, do you not change it just cause you decide you want a new car or do you wait till the s---- the bed?

Lets talk about change, When it's helpfull or harmful.


~~TyTbody~~
Working towards Perpetual Motion
 
This is a great topic - I am going through quite a bit of change right now - both work and school related. I believe most people fear change because of the unknown as well as having to leave their comfort zones. We tend to get comfortable doing what we feel good at or knowing what comes next. Mess with that, and people can get pretty anxious.

One of my favorite quotes is "Often in the winds of change is when we find our true direction."
 
That's heavy. I like that. I also find when it's time for a change, you don't want to, like you said, because of fear. But it does turn out for the better. Like in when people get divorced. They are afraid of standing alone. But it does come about.

I'm in the process of change also. I went to school to do massage and it's not working the way I thought, I'm still workin the hospital.

So, I sit and try to see where is this leading me to? Yes, there is fear in me cause I can't see where I'm going. Like in a snow storm.

I like that quote.
I have to say in relation to older folk, they hate change. Oh my goodness. I make soap and try to get an old person to see it's better for their skin. Nope. I"m sticking with my Dial. Always have been using it. Always will be using it. Well, Dial all you want and crack up your skin cause you've always done it that way.

If Tide left it to Tide alone, they would not be selling Tide with Brightners and Bleach or whatever is out there.

I say welcome the change, you'll you see a new you.


~~TyTbody~~
Working towards Perpetual Motion
 
Tytbody, here is your "change is good" post pulled directly from the thread in question on the Ask Cathe forum:

"So why don't you old timers, long timers accept change. ???

"So what things have always been that way. someone wants to know why? I'm amongst the new and also wondered this. Why everyone was responding. But like you said, I've heard this since I was a little girl. *it's always been done that way. * that does not make it right nor does it not mean it can't be changed. Allow new blood, new growth to make changes. After all. you change your exercise routines don'tcha?"

(end of quote)

It is the height of absurdity on your part to presume that others, including "old timers, long timers" are "afraid of change", especially as you define it.

The "Old Timers, Long Timers" aren't afraid of anything, kiddo, except being shriked to death on a formerly pleasant forum.

A-Jock
 
But Aqua,

I don't see where the forum changed. What is so bad about it now that you'll keep refering to?

I really don't see any hardships? Just people asking questions that I guess to those that have been here since conception find repetitive.

That's going to happen. I called em old timers cause thats what I've seen posted. Heck an old timer could be someone 24 and says, the way it used to be.




~~TyTbody~~
Working towards Perpetual Motion
 
Great thread! It will be interesting to see the differences in people when it comes to change.

Me - I almost crave change. I get bored very easily and my brain is constantly "rambling" (voices in my head??), desiring to learn new things, try something different, etc. I am very fortunate to work for a HUGE company, where I have the ability to move to a new job every couple of years - otherwise I'd be bored stiff if I had to do the same thing for years and years and years. I'm an engineer - degreed in materials engineering, but right now am trying my hand at mechanical/design engineering for a change of pace. In a couple of years, who knows what I'll be doing? (I actually dream of someday leaving engineering to become a personal trainer, but I'm not getting my hopes up) If I had an endless cash supply, I would redecorate my home often, buy a different car every couple of years, etc. I just love to try new stuff. But, as I'm not independently wealthy, I have to pick and choose areas in my life where I "allow" myself frequent change. One area is with my workouts - I buy lots of new DVD's and fitness equipment. If I were to get bored with my workouts, I'd never do them. Another area I try new things in is with food - I cook at least one new recipe per week, usually more. I also change my hairstyle a lot (I have short hair, so I can do lots of stuff with it).

With that said, however, I think there are some areas of my life where I fear change. Like - I would be very upset if we ever had to move - especially if it was very far away. I also have very set routines that I have a hard time deviating from. It probably drives DH nuts! :D

It will be neat to read what others have to say about change. Great topic!
 
Ditto to what A-Jock said!!

I never thought I would come out and say this, but I am really despising the "change" that new ones are imposing here. I am not afraid of any change. I believe change is good when everyone is affected in a positive way. I'm not seeing that here lately. It seems some new ones have their own agenda. Isn't it ironic that lately, many threads are being deleted? I wonder why that might be. I don't think it's because of the "old timers".
 
I have changed and quite drastically since the first time I ever posted here. I eat differently and exercise differently. These forums have changed drastically too and that's all well and good but I'll be digging my heels in to keep the good stuff from the old days available. I only accept changes I think are valuable. Some of the cries for an anwer from Cathe alone struck me as childish and plaintive and that's new too. New doesn't mean better. If anybody wants to change things they should be certain that the changes have merit or they may find they have to deal with the status quo because we aren't conceding a thing. We are trying to maintain the integrity of the site we love. Most new Cathites come on and get about the business of serious fitness but there seem to be a few who want to stir up trouble. It has less to do with who's old or new. Everybody starts out new. Kathryn said she's been around since, was it '93? I discovered Cathe in '96 or '97 but didn't get online until 1999. I was warmly welcomed and well educated in no time. That hasn't changed except for a few who don't seem to get it. Change is inevitable and we obviously need to adapt, all of us, but changes should make sense and be agreed upon, not forced by loud complaints and for the sake of change itself. Give me something good and I'll change. Otherwise, forget it.
Bobbi http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif "Chick's rule!"

Maturity is the ability to do a job whether or not you are supervised, to carry money without spending it, and to bear an injustice without wanting to get even.

-Ann Landers
 
Did I miss something?? I thought this was a great topic - its nice to talk about things other than exercise every once in a while with other crazy exercisers that understand you :)

Am I detecting some animosity???
 
There are other old sayings: if it ain't broke don't fix it, & why reinvent the wheel.

Change is right in certain settings & wrong in others. While I think it is human nature to resist change--most of us are creatures of habit & it can be difficult to leave a comfort zone--sometimes it is necessary & winds up being for the best. Being a psuedo-political scientist I tend to see things from a political perspective & let's face it, if everyone resisted change there would be no US of A, no desegregation, no end to Jim Crow laws, no birth control, no gay rights.........heck, I could go on & on.

On the other hand, if we changed every time the wind shifted there would be no capitalism, no public school system, no privacy protection, no right to choose, no right to bear arms......etc. etc.

(not offering opinions on any of these polices here, just trying to illustrate a point)

So I guess what I'm trying to say is if something is working leave it alone. If something is having a detrimental effect on many than I don't think people would resist change.
 
With all due respect, I believe many people on this forum are afraid of change. It's apparent in many of the posts I read. Life is about change. If it ain't broke, don't fix it doesn't even work for me anymore.

The past seven years I've went through more changes than you can imagine and it's all been for the good. Change expands our horizons if we can keep an open mind. The problem is, a lot of people can't keep their minds open because they're afraid. I've found that believing in myself enough to know that I can face any situation and not crumble makes all the difference.
 
>Ditto to what A-Jock said!!
>
>I never thought I would come out and say this, but I am really
>despising the "change" that new ones are imposing here.

Exactly: some people come in and it's almost like they want to "take over" (which is no one's right, because this is Cathe's forum). They want to have us label our posts in Open Discussion so they can skip over ones they don't want to read. This has never been a problem in the past.

They want everyone but Cathe to not post in the 'Ask Cathe" forum, which, if you see Cathe's most recent post, is not something that SHE objects to.

They want people to spell out the names of Cathe's workouts instead of using the logical and often-used abbreviations (which they could figure out with a bit of effort: after all we are talking about CATHE workouts, not all the workouts in the world).

They post THEIR interpretations of the forum's rules (which, I again stress, are ONLY changeable by Cathe and SNM), by complaining about all the "off topic" subjects in "Open Discussion." DUH! Get a dictionary: Open Discussion MEANS any topic is welcome (within the bounds of good taste and courtesy).

Some rather recent members complain about X, Y and Z. They seem to have much less patience than some of the "old timers."

Change just for the sake of change is meaningless.

Imposing change on others so that things conform to YOUR ideals is both selfish and rude.

Let me ask those of you wanting change: why? Why can't you adapt to the forum as it is? Why does it have to change to suit you?

I do not mean to imply that all newer members are like this. And all new members should feel free to join in. Join in things as they are.
 
>With all due respect, I believe many people on this forum are
>afraid of change.

To make such an overreaching statement is patently unfair. While I and others resist what we see as unnecessary and perhaps negative change in this forum, because I believe that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" works here, I am not opposed to positive and worthwhile change in life. To say that those of us who resist forum changes that others wish to impose are "afraid of change" is ridiculous.

Where does change end? Why don't we change the format of this forum every month? New graphics, new protocol for posting, new methods for getting from one forum to another. I think not.
 
Maybe, change is not what we're talking about, folks. Sometimes, a perfectly innocent post with a confrontational tone can really just lose the original meaning.

Marla:-(
 
And with all due respect from me, I'm here to tell you change is NOT always good. Sometimes it's devastating. I'm not afraid of all change per se, but I don't want it thrust upon me either.

Everyone is at least a little afraid of change, as Emily's post illustrates. Doesn't mean it isn't going to happen...life is change.

Hi Bobbi! Good to see you back & posting more. How are you doing?

Ruth
 
Does anyone on here read any self-help books, motivational speakers, audio, etc?

I think they talk a lot about change and how it can be good. The bad part does get good.

Heck, I've been divorced for what..... 12 years, and I have to be Martha and say, It was good. lol.

Putting this exercise program into place in my life is a change. To actually write it down and do it, is a welcome change.

to keep focused and motivated, is a change. I've not done this before and now, I'm making myself do it because, This is something I know I can do.It is within so... I'm going for the change.


~~TyTbody~~
Working towards Perpetual Motion
 
I totally agree with Aquajock and Kathryn. And I am not an ole-timer; I'm a medium-timer.

The problem is not one of change in this forum. People change all the time and they don't even know it until someone points it out to them. So the whole global topic of change is silly.

The problem here is one of maturity, values, and following simple rules. There has been an influx of people to this forum who think the world revolves around them. And they will complain until things go their way.

So please don't complain about how the oldtimers are stuck in a rut and the new people are bringing about world peace. You are making general statements that may be true in your experience but not for others. What is true for you does not mean it's true for the rest of the world.

Alexis
 
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