If you are considering reading Ayn Rand...

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I would suggest a condensed version of "Atlas Shrugged." My husband thinks that's heresy, and says everyone should read the whole thing. But I've read it, and agree that it can get so wordy, people might get bored and not finish it to get the message. The message and philosophy can be life changing. It is what I essentially believed all along, but this book gave me "permission" to openly admit it, and defend it. It showed the logic of it, and showed how it was mirroring what was happening in my own life.

The philosophy is "Objectivism", it's what I personally believe in, and explains why I could NOT get through "A New Earth" no matter how much my friend kept nagging me! Even though I believe in the Objectivist philosophy, I still love fantasy, silly humor, and can watch movies like "Enchanted" 20 times! A tiny part of me still beleives in ghosts, thinks maybe toys do come alive when we leave the room :) or that if I concentrate really really hard, I can make something across the room move :). Anyway, a short intro to Objectivism:

From www.aynrand.org:
by Ayn Rand

At a sales conference at Random House, preceding the publication of Atlas Shrugged, one of the book salesmen asked me whether I could present the essence of my philosophy (Objectivism) while standing on one foot. I did as follows:

1. Metaphysics-- Objective Reality
2. Epistemology-- Reason
3. Ethics-- Self-interest
4. Politics-- Capitalism

If you want this translated into simple language, it would read: 1. "Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed" or "Wishing won't make it so." 2. "You can't eat your cake and have it, too." 3. "Man is an end in himself." 4. "Give me liberty or give me death."

If you held these concepts with total consistency, as the base of your convictions, you would have a full philosophical system to guide the course of your life. But to hold them with total consistency—to understand, to define, to prove and to apply them—requires volumes of thought. Which is why philosophy cannot be discussed while standing on one foot—nor while standing on two feet on both sides of every fence. This last is the predominant philosophical position today, particularly in the field of politics.

My philosophy, Objectivism, holds that:

Reality exists as an objective absolute—facts are facts, independent of man's feelings, wishes, hopes or fears.

Reason (the faculty which identifies and integrates the material provided by man's senses) is man's only means of perceiving reality, his only source of knowledge, his only guide to action, and his basic means of survival.

Man—every man—is an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others. He must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life.

The ideal political-economic system is laissez-faire capitalism. It is a system where men deal with one another, not as victims and executioners, nor as masters and slaves, but as traders, by free, voluntary exchange to mutual benefit. It is a system where no man may obtain any values from others by resorting to physical force, and no man may initiate the use of physical force against others. The government acts only as a policeman that protects man's rights; it uses physical force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use, such as criminals or foreign invaders. In a system of full capitalism, there should be (but, historically, has not yet been) a complete separation of state and economics, in the same way and for the same reasons as the separation of state and church.
 
I haven't read Atlas Shrugged but I do remember enjoying The Fountainhead in high school - even though I wanted to punch the protagonist's lights out on more than one occasion. I was going through my "rugged individualist" phase, so it was perfect for me at the time. How does AS compare to TF?
 
>A tiny part of me still beleives in ghosts, thinks
>maybe toys do come alive when we leave the room :) or
>that if I concentrate really really hard, I can make something
>across the room move :).

Lisa - There are such things as ghosts - haven't you seen Ghost Hunters?? Duh! ;) And of course toys come alive when you leave the room!!! And don't let anyone every tell you that Santa doesn't exist - it's a sick government cover-up. ;) Without a little wonder, fantasy and magic, the world would be a really BORING place. ;)
 
OMG this is too funny--I remember reading the book & absolutely HATING it b/c she took over 1000 pages to say what she could've said in 20 pages. Or evidently in 1 page LOL.

tneah, I think you would consider her a republican. Her philosophy is all about "possessive individualism," pretty close to social Darwinism in my book. I think at the time she was kind of reacting to FDR's social programs.

Either way, I am NOT a believer in her philosophy (I might be if everyone started on a level playing field, but as we know that's not the case). :p
 
A good starting point to find out why she thought the way she did, is to read her somewhat autobiographical first novel, "We the Living." Escaping from Communist Russia was a big part of who she was. I actually liked that book when I read it, many many years ago. She hadn't started her annoying RANTing writing style with that work.

There's also a film about her: "The Passion of Ayn Rand." I haven't seen it yet, but it's on my Netflix queue. It stars the amazing Helen Merrin as Rand.
 
Oh, boy. I really enjoyed "The Fountainhead," I really did. Sure, I don't think I'd have missed truncated versions of the 3-4 page diatribes made by Toohey and other wordy characters, but I did like the book. That said - THE WOMAN NEEDED AN EDITOR! And her screenplay for the film version was quite lacking. Oh well.

I have owned "Atlas Shrugged" for years and have yet to read it. Perhaps I should.

"Who is John Galt?"
 
I'm getting ready to read AS in a few weeks so perhaps some of you might join me? I'm getting a little scared. I'm thinking this should be the summer I read all the classics I've been afraid of. So first - Atlas Shrugged, next - War and Peace. Anyone joining me?? }( }(

Carolyn

ETA: It sounds to me that Ayn Rand is more a modern day libertarian. Maybe Sparrow can back me up on that.
 
Carolyn,

I didn't mean to insinuate that "Atlas Shrugged" was hard to read. It's not. It's pretty straight forward. It's not like reading Faulkner or Joyce, by any means. And it's somewhat interesting, there's lots of dialogue (LOTS and LOTS!!!), and she even throws in a pretty good sex scene if I remember correctly. Or maybe it just seemed good compared to all the business and train talk. Go in with an open mind, allow yourself to skim through the redundant parts, and you'll be able to bitch about it with the rest of us!!! Who knows, you may actually LIKE it.
 
Carolyn--let me know when you plan to read it and I will do my best to join you. Maybe we can start a "classics" summer book group for nerds
 
I've read both The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. I thought they were good reads. I tend to do a lot of skimming over long philosophical ranty parts. As a conservative christian, Rand and I certainly do have our differences, but overall I enjoyed reading both books.

I'll have to put that movie about her on my quieu (spelling).

Maggie:)
 
>>ETA: It sounds to me that Ayn Rand is more a modern day libertarian. Maybe Sparrow can back me up on that.

Obviously, I'm not Sparrow, but I was going to say she would seem to be a Libertarian also.

Hey, "Atlas Shrugged" is being remade, and Brad and Angelina are rumored to play the leads. Not sure how I feel about them, but if they stay true to the message of the book and people go see it, then that's fine and dandy. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0480239/
 
>>>ETA: It sounds to me that Ayn Rand is more a modern day
>libertarian. Maybe Sparrow can back me up on that.

>
>Obviously, I'm not Sparrow, but I was going to say she would
>seem to be a Libertarian also.
>
>Hey, "Atlas Shrugged" is being remade, and Brad and Angelina
>are rumored to play the leads. Not sure how I feel about them,
>but if they stay true to the message of the book and people go
>see it, then that's fine and dandy.
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0480239/
>
>

Gosh, that is a weird choice for leads. I guess I don't mind seeing more of Brad though. He is a cutie! (my spell-check apparently doesn't like the word 'cutie' - it wants me to say 'cootie'! LOL!)

Carolyn
 
I also thought Gary Cooper was an odd choice for the film version of "The Fountainhead," though his performance was a nice one. And while I like Patricia Neal, I pictured an icy Hitchcock blonde in the role. But Partricia did a good job as Dominique, giving off the right amount of wit and coolness.

But the movie was subpar, in my opinion.
 
Geez, if they stay close to the original text, Brad will have laryngitis for months with all those monologues.

I guess it would make a good movie. Who knows. Great books have been made into bad movies, and vice versa. (The one book that I LOVE and know that Hollywood has been trying to put on film for decades is "A Confederacy of Dunces." I really hope they don't. I just can't imagine anyone doing it justice.)
 

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