RE: reply to all: for argument's sake
>Hi Lisa!
>Actually, I don't think those numbers are off. Yes, you can
>be slim while also eating crap. But you cannot be very
>STRONG and VERY lean, with cardiovascular endurance, without
>eating very well.
>
I am intelligent and I see your point but you cannot be strong, lean, with good cardiovascular health, stamina without a good exercise programme
If you have a bad diet but follow a good exercise programme, then you won't be at your peak but you may still look like you are. Just look at the many smokers, who eat well, exercise well, who can pull off an IMAX 2 without even blinking.
The figures do not apply to everyone. We are all different.
>For a good argument's sake:
>
>My point was that the Cathe crew has CHANGED over the years.
>They didn't naturally start out looking the way they do. So
>your argument that people are the way they are due to a
>certain body type is wrong. Scientifically, we've seen at
>least 3-4 DIFFERENT body types starting out at point X; then,
>with what was probably the same "treatment", they've
>progressed to point Y. ALL of them got leaner. Therefore,
>something besides body types CHANGED!
>
I thought your original point was a rant about not being told what Cathe and co. eat.
You have completely misunderstood my post!! Your "body type" cannot change! I did not say this. Please re-read my post.
I was talking about body composition not mesomorphs, ectomorphs or endomorphs. I was talking about actual body composition: bones, genes, muscles, tendons - I'm sure you know what makes a body! I have already made my point in my first post so I won't repeat myself here.
It's very clear to me that as their exercise programmes evolved, so did their bodies. Did their eating patterns change? I'm sure they did. It's hard to build muscles without the proper nutrients.
>I would argue also that the fact that they've exercised
>consistently over the years must have produced these changes
>is also WRONG. All people in the video exercised consistently
>BEFORE their body's changed. Cathe did many videos before her
>recent transformation into more muscle/less fat. She was
>always athletic. Similarly, I have been exercising regularly
>for about 25 years (I am 34). I was always athletic. So this
>point doesn't hold.
>
>The factor that changed for Cathe and others was what they put
>into their mouths. Another factor could be use of a personal
>trainer or drugs or others. (Again, I am speaking
>scientifically -- looking for possible factors that effect
>outcomes).
>
>In this case, I believe it was what they put in their mouths.
>Hence, I'd like to see a menu!
>
>
Your argument is flawed and I stand by mine. I have been exercising for at least as long and I am also athletic. It seems clear to me that Cathe's transformation is due to a change in her exercise programme. Think about it. When did Cathe start making weight tapes? What I have read tells me that she has changed her body with weights, not diet. From her posts, it sounds like Cathe has always had a very healthy diet.
Drugs?? What??!!
However, you put it, your statement and subsequent argument is not true for everyone. Vive la difference!
ATB,
- Lisa
