Hous of Reps. #875/Protect our organic food!

NY25 - This is a definition that has rather broad interpretations and could easily be construed to include a home garden (maybe?) unless better defined:

(14) FOOD PRODUCTION FACILITY- The term ‘food production facility’ means any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation.

Yes, it's a stretch to say that a home gardener will be fined up the wazoo for giving away or selling unregulated zucchini, but that's why this sucker needs work...and I'm sure stranger unintentional outcomes have resulted from poorly worded legislation.
 
LOL! Girl, next time I'm in NYC you & I need to share a glass of wine. I think we'd have lots to talk about. :cool:
 
That's a very good point.

It's a moote point because

1) AIG was bailed out by direct action of the Bush administration with no involvement of congress

2) Sounds like they are clamping down on it now, it took 8 years to drive the bus into the ditch and now we expect the Obama administration who has been in office for 2 months to fix it in a few days :rolleyes:

3) No one is clamping down on any organic growers in that bill. Gotta love it that most of the fear mongering on the internet is coming from those people who think deregulation is always better and we have all seen where that led us
 
oMG!!!!!

My eyes are bugging out of my head!!!! Yucko!

Little bugs are our friends. I for one am convinced that most of our modern diseases have been a nasty result of the government telling us how to eat. That includes ridding the commercial food of normal levels of bugs. Your gut is supposed to have bugs in it! I'm mad as hell.:mad:
 
I'm with you on this

My eyes are bugging out of my head!!!! Yucko!

Little bugs are our friends. I for one am convinced that most of our modern diseases have been a nasty result of the government telling us how to eat. That includes ridding the commercial food of normal levels of bugs. Your gut is supposed to have bugs in it! I'm mad as hell.:mad:

ITA!!! On a side note - did anyone see that story about the Brazilian Wandering Spider that a Whole Foods employee trapped in the store??? It happened in Tulsa, OK.

It is the deadliest spider in the world. According to the article, it will kill in 20-25 minutes. the people at WF are lucky they did not get bit. It was seen walking across the bananas. It hitched a ride from Honduras. This is scary. That box of bananas had to pass through so many hands and get unpacked and go on display. No one got bit during that process. Good god! I just bought bananas two days ago too!

I agree that most bugs are our friends. This guy is not. He is highly aggressive and will jump at you and attack. This reminds me of Arachnaphobia!!!
 
ITA!!! On a side note - did anyone see that story about the Brazilian Wandering Spider that a Whole Foods employee trapped in the store??? It happened in Tulsa, OK.

It is the deadliest spider in the world. According to the article, it will kill in 20-25 minutes. the people at WF are lucky they did not get bit. It was seen walking across the bananas. It hitched a ride from Honduras. This is scary. That box of bananas had to pass through so many hands and get unpacked and go on display. No one got bit during that process. Good god! I just bought bananas two days ago too!

I agree that most bugs are our friends. This guy is not. He is highly aggressive and will jump at you and attack. This reminds me of Arachnaphobia!!!

That is horrifying. I will continue to be horrified by that story all day (and will be scared to buy bananas at the store for a long time!).

Ewww ewww ewww!!! *cringe*
 
WOW

Hello everyone . . . .this is the first time back here in a day and am shocked at the amount of responses. No need to apologize for "hijacking" the thread. It made for good debate and a few chuckles. I don't understand why the partisan issue has to get thrown in but whatever. If you really want to get down to brass tacks - 39 reps have signed onto this bill and they are all Dems. Regardless of what side of the aisle I think it's pretty clear that the women who sponsored this bill has her hubby who works Monsanto and that reeks of nepotism. Bedfellows indeed.

I will be making another post in regards to Monsanto. My sister is a master gardener and emailed it to me and I found it interesting.

I think the bottom line here is that when the foot of the feds is in the door - there is no shutting it completely. I want to go to my farmers market and buy from my local growers who I know and trust.

You can have your pesticides. Remember that a majority of our veggies and fruit are coming from south of the border and only God knows what they spray on them. And with the upheaval in Mexico going on right now - they could seriously mess with our food supply.

FYI - I learned an interesting fact the other day. Look at the labels on your fruits (and veggies I believe). If the number starts with a 9 it is organic. If it starts with a 3 or 4 it is regular non organic. If it starts with an 8 it is genetically modified.

I just wanted people to know that this bill existed and that we should all be aware.

What good is working your body out if what your putting in it on a regular basis sucks.
 
Regardless of what side of the aisle I think it's pretty clear that the women who sponsored this bill has her hubby who works Monsanto and that reeks of nepotism. Bedfellows indeed.

Why is it that if I am (or in that case a politician) is married to someone does that mean that I would support anything the company that my spouse works for does.

This may come as a surprise but some women have a different opinion as their husbands and they may do things differently. Just because they are "bedfellows" doesn't mean they are agreeing on everything. James Carville and Mary Matalin comes to mind.

Is it so outrageous to think that a woman could actually have a mind or opinion of her own?

I like to buy my food organic and locally grown but that bill does not say or imply anything that would prohibit that!
 
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My issue with this bill is that it seems designed to provide an extra layer of bureaucracy in a system that already is supposed to have food protections in place but can't seem to enforce those protections. What good is another agency going to be if that agency doesn't enforce the rules?

I recently read (or heard....I listen to alot of podcasts when I walk) that in the 1970s, there were about 70,000 food processing plants in the country, and the government did inspections on about 35,000 a year. That mean every plant was (theoretically, at least) inspected every two years.

Now, there are 120,000 food processing plants in the country, and the government can only inspect about 7,000 a year. When I heard that, I kind of thought it was no wonder that the peanut processing plant in Georgia kept doing what it was doing...which is all kinds of horrible to me.

The government has proven to me that, outside of mass illness, it doesn't care what people put into their bodies. I think it is absolutely outrageous that, in order to eat 'healthy', I need to avoid the vast majority of what is in my supermarket, down to simple things like the bread on the shelves. But the government doesn't seem to care about that and until they do, I will always be a bit dubious about anything that puts the words 'government' and 'food safety' in the same sentence.

So I have no doubt whatsoever that there is big business interest behind this bill. And I am concerned about organic growers because at least there is an alternative to unhealthy food choices right now in this country (to some degree). But, personally, I dream of a day when I can walk into Safeway again and look at the food without thinking that virtually everything in that store--whether it be the pesticides on the fruit or the HFCS in the bread or the antibiotics and hormones in the beef--could very well harm me since, ultimately, I need to eat to live. And I would gladly have the number of items in my store cut down by 2/3 for that peace of mind. But, of course, that will never happen because it wouldn't be good for business.
 
Hey Stephanie - It may be safe to buy bananas again. :D

"Not so deadly? Chance Tulsa spider misidentified"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090320/ap_on_re_us/deadly_spider

But it's still pretty freaky looking!

I saw that they recanted the original story!!! Thank God!!

I originally posted that story in an attempt to show that no matter what we do, our food will always be inhabited by creepy crawlies. Even if that spider was not the deadly Brazilian Wandering spider, there was another large hairly one on those bananas. Would a pesticide have killed it?

I don't like big government period. I certainly don't like it getting involved with my food. The FDA is a crock. It can't even protect our food imports from giant spiders let alone anything else. On what grounds can they dictate what we eat?

When is it enough?
 
I originally posted that story in an attempt to show that no matter what we do, our food will always be inhabited by creepy crawlies.
When is it enough?


As a vegetarian, I always assume that little buggies are getting in, and that that helps me with my B12 intake!
 
Remember that a majority of our veggies and fruit are coming from south of the border and only God knows what they spray on them.
A lot of it is pesticides and chemicals that are NOT allowed to be used on crops in the US (because of their toxicity), but are sold to Mexico and other countries--by Monsanto in particular--and end up getting into our food system anyway when the produce comes into our markets. (though I'm not sure it's the 'majority' of our produce?)

Laura, there are many reasons to avoid bioengineered food (which is not the same as hybridized food).

For one , we simply don't have enough knowledge of the effects on these foods on humans in the long run.

Secondly, companies patent bioengineered foods which means they 'own' the food and can control how it is used;
Monsanto (again) has tried to sue farmers with farms adjacent to those in which their bioengineered crops grow when those crops spread on their own.

Also, companies build in a genetic code in many of these foods that makes the seeds of the second-generation plants sterile, which causes farmers in poorer countries, who traditionally saved seeds from one crop to plant the following year, to go into poverty because they can no longer do that and have to keep buying new seeds.

The consequences of the genetic information from these engineered seeds combining with other plants are not fully understood. In one instance, the pest resistance of engineered soy (I think it was) affected other plants (milkweed?) that certain butterflies use for food and killed them. (And I'd rather have poo again than eat a food that is engineered to be its own pesticide, which is pretty much what is happening.)

Genetically engineeered produce can be lower in certain phytochemicals which plants produce partly in reaction to attack by pests, as their own natural defense, which in humans have beneficial effects, such as acting as a defense against free radicals.

Biodiversity is very important, if only for the fact that the less diversity there is, the much greater chance there is of a disease wiping out an entire species of plant.

I don't see how the choice as being between pesticides and poo (though I'll take poo over pesticides)? In fact, I don't really see your reasoning there. Salmonella contamination had nothing to do with pesticides use or lack of it, but all to do with animal agriculture (as was already mentioned, the outbreak was tied to run-off from a factory farm...and the spinach involved was primarity non-organic spinach that WAS treated with pesticides and chemicals).

Yes, food safety is very important, but there are many ways of achieving it. I agree that if this bill is something that is supported by Monsanto (a company only out for profit with no real concern for human health---otherwise I don't see how they would continue to produce carcinogenic and mutagenic pesticides and sell them to other countries) I would be very wary of it.
 
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I read the article, and the worry for small farms is that these measures will take their time (filling out documentation) and perhaps money (just as it's a rather costly process to be certified organic, for example), which could run them out of business (big companies can afford to foot the bill). The intent is good, but some of the ways of going about it seem like too much red tape and paperwork.
 
Well written post Kathryn. You explained in terms that are easy to understand and tried to stay uninfluenced by sensationalist reporting.

I had no awareness of this issue and feel educated by this thread and by your response in particular.

I live in a country where newspapers report frequently of entire families of farmers committing suicide because they cannot afford to make a living. A future with bioengineered seeds sends chills down my spine.

With global warming and the current recession being consequences of short-sighted greed, when will the world start learning from its mistakes?
 
I read the article, and the worry for small farms is that these measures will take their time (filling out documentation) and perhaps money (just as it's a rather costly process to be certified organic, for example), which could run them out of business (big companies can afford to foot the bill). The intent is good, but some of the ways of going about it seem like too much red tape and paperwork.

Excellent summation of the issue Kathryn!! :)
 

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