Have you seen this? Bush taking blame.

Hi blkane--

I think I was taken aback by Mary Landrieu's comments on several levels. She may have been referring to transit workers in general, but then you need to take into consideration that the population of NO is around 75% to 80% black. Also, she took advantage of her time on national TV and on the floor of the senate to point the blame at Bush and his administration, yet failing to accept any of the responsibilty right there in her own state. What is she saying; "..the people of NO are lazy slobs who won't help themselves much less someone else, so, GB, you had better come to our rescue?". I was absolutey stunned!!! I can only imagine the firestorm that would've followed had some republican politician made that remark.

Michele
 
Someone posted that Bush is responsible for the hurricane.

Here's a link to the National Hurricane Center website. It shows the history of U.S. hurricanes from 1851 through 2004. I can see that the intesity of the storms and the occurrence of them has decreased. The worst decade was 1941 to 1950.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml
 
Everything that I've heard on the news is that for the next 10-15 years the hurricanes are going to be bad, just like 1941-1950. The weather pattern goes through cycles.
 
Poor GWB, He is taking the blame and most isn't even his fault. I heard a lot of people stayed because they did not want to lose their welfare checks that come at the beginning of the month. Also, GWB gave NO a large sum of money to protect and build up the levies and whatever needed to be done (more $ than Clinton gave) and the local gov did not do what it was suppose to with the $. I think the news does not give out the important facts that everyone should know. I could go on and on how GWB had nothing to do with it but there is just not enough room!!
 
You are right. The Gov. is probably pointing fingers to try and deflect away from her office.

IMHO- Primary response should come first from the city of new orleans, then the state of Louisiana, and then the federal government. I didn't see much of a response from either the city or the state but the feds are certainly being blamed. I think we are going to be hearing about this for years to come from the politicians. I don't think the Gov is going to get re-elected anytime soon.



Brenda:)

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Also, GWB gave NO a large sum of money to
>protect and build up the levies and whatever needed to be done
>(more $ than Clinton gave) and the local gov did not do what
>it was suppose to with the $.

Where did you hear that??? do you have an article that you could link? I would really be interested to read it. I too feel like he is getting the heat he doesn't deserve, but I think that he is an awefully big man for accepting responsibility over something that less his fault than anyone else involved.

Missy
 
It's the first time he's taken responsibility for anything. His approval ratings have gotten so low I guess he was told to spin things this way.

As far as any President ever taking responsibility. It's only in recent years where the President can get away with not taking responsibility. Whoever mentioned that must be a youngun'.

Well, anyway, words are just words. I want to see something positive come out of this on the political end.

"At least he's aware of the problems..." He damn well better be people, he's your freakin President, for crying out loud. We've been reduced to feeling sorry for poor, poor George x( . Now that does say something...at least to me.
 
>It's the first time he's taken responsibility for anything.
>His approval ratings have gotten so low I guess he was told to
>spin things this way.
>
>As far as any President ever taking responsibility. It's only
>in recent years where the President can get away with not
>taking responsibility. Whoever mentioned that must be a
>youngun'.
>
>Well, anyway, words are just words. I want to see something
>positive come out of this on the political end.
>
>"At least he's aware of the problems..." He damn well better
>be people, he's your freakin President, for crying out loud.
>We've been reduced to feeling sorry for poor, poor George x( .
> Now that does say something...at least to me.


Candi, I don't feel sorry for Dubya at all but I do think the heat he takes is beyond reason. The man is being blamed for the global warming that some believe is causing more hurricances...c'mon...he hasn't even been in office for two full terms and he's the cause of global warming?! Of course this is so typical and the media will do anything to keep him in a bad light, IMHO. (Just like that situation with cindy Shehan, the mom who was camped outside his house; I watch/read alot of news and no source I used (except FOX) reported the fact that she had already talked to Bush face to face less than a year before, and gave him nothing but compliments afterwards) So, while I am middle of the road about Bush, I also feel like there are those who just want him to fail. Since he has been in office I have heard many people say things like "it doesn't matter" if what is reported about Bush is dead wrong, as long as it keeps him in a bad light.

Has anyone heard the info about Amtrak offering to ride people out a few days before Katrina hit, but the mayor/governor said they didn't need any help like that? I heard it but haven't been able to resource it.

(OK I just reread this post and it seems incoherent! Must be the allergy pills I took. My head feels like a balloon! :p)

Sparrow

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After seeing all the school buses sitting under water, I have to scratch my head and wonder what the local gov. was thinking in reference to those with no transportation and how they thought they would be getting out. Responsibility starts at home or in this case, your home town. Obviously, there was no plan in place. Taking folks to the Astro Dome and the convention center and NOT stocking it full of food and water for those they put there,.....what's that about? Shame on the local and state level govt. for not listening to those experts in the past about this area. FEMA does need to take part of the blame, but not for allowing so many to be stranded when the resources were there to get them out BEFORE Katrina hit.

TinaT
Faith ~ Family ~ Fitness
 
>I think the govenor of Louisiana needs to take alot of blame.
>Why wasn't that government working harder to get people
>evacuated before the hurricane hit? I think the mayor and
>governor could have done more.
\

Actually in todays Times-Picayune she also accepted blame, finally. She has admitted that there were hang-ups at the local and state levels as well.

Another note in the Times-Picayune. The Bush administration has actually given the Core of engineers enough money to make the levees more storm proof, but when congress got a hold of it, there was a bunch of pork put into it for other projects and the amount of money for levees got cut way down.

Also, in the Times-Picayune. The levees for the most part held as expected and did a pretty good job. The problem was the flood walls were breached. Once they breached, they then broke with the onslaught of water. The Core at this time is unsure why this happened and is examining this.
 
>Missy, your points are very well stated and I agree. People
>who want to lump all of the blame onto GB really haven't
>looked into the history of New Orleans. Many administrations,
>of both political parties, have failed to update the levees
>in NO.
>
>Did anybody watch Fox News Sunday. Chris Wallace interviewed
>Mary Landrieu and asked her why the hundreds of buses parked
>in NO were not used to evacuate the citizens. Her reply, and I
>heard it with my own ears, was, "You can't get those people to
>work on a bright sunny day much less during a hurricane".
>How's that for a racist remark!?
>
>Michele

I saw that interview also, and there was so much avoidance of the question it was not even funny. Fact is, no one down there really understood the scope of trying to evacuate all the people who are poor and could not really get out. Even if they had cars, did they have money to pay for gas to travel far enough away. And despite that, it seems the evacuation to the superdome and the amazing rescue effort by the first responders(coast guard, animal wild life people) managed to save a lot of lives. The fact the death toll is much lower than expected shows that.
 
>Also, GWB gave NO a large sum of money to
>>protect and build up the levies and whatever needed to be
>done
>>(more $ than Clinton gave) and the local gov did not do what
>>it was suppose to with the $.
>
>Where did you hear that??? do you have an article that you
>could link? I would really be interested to read it. I too
>feel like he is getting the heat he doesn't deserve, but I
>think that he is an awefully big man for accepting
>responsibility over something that less his fault than anyone
>else involved.
>
>Missy

Missy the Times-Picayune also mentions this and it is New Orleans newspaper.
 
>>It's the first time he's taken responsibility for anything.
>
>>His approval ratings have gotten so low I guess he was told
>to
>>spin things this way.
>>
>>As far as any President ever taking responsibility. It's
>only
>>in recent years where the President can get away with not
>>taking responsibility. Whoever mentioned that must be a
>>youngun'.
>>
>>Well, anyway, words are just words. I want to see something
>>positive come out of this on the political end.
>>
>>"At least he's aware of the problems..." He damn well
>better
>>be people, he's your freakin President, for crying out loud.
>
>>We've been reduced to feeling sorry for poor, poor George x(
>.
>> Now that does say something...at least to me.
>
>
>Candi, I don't feel sorry for Dubya at all but I do think the
>heat he takes is beyond reason. The man is being blamed for
>the global warming that some believe is causing more
>hurricances...c'mon...he hasn't even been in office for two
>full terms and he's the cause of global warming?! Of course
>this is so typical and the media will do anything to keep him
>in a bad light, IMHO. (Just like that situation with cindy
>Shehan, the mom who was camped outside his house; I
>watch/read alot of news and no source I used (except FOX)
>reported the fact that she had already talked to Bush face to
>face less than a year before, and gave him nothing but
>compliments afterwards) So, while I am middle of the road
>about Bush, I also feel like there are those who just want him
>to fail. Since he has been in office I have heard many people
>say things like "it doesn't matter" if what is reported about
>Bush is dead wrong, as long as it keeps him in a bad light.
>
>Has anyone heard the info about Amtrak offering to ride people
>out a few days before Katrina hit, but the mayor/governor said
>they didn't need any help like that? I heard it but haven't
>been able to resource it.
>
>(OK I just reread this post and it seems incoherent! Must be
>the allergy pills I took. My head feels like a balloon! :p)
>
>Sparrow
>
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>
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Coherent enough. I also don't feel sorry for him because it is his job to take the heat. He has given the impression that he lacks compassion, which I don't think is true, I think he is deeply affected by what has happened to these people.

The problem is the Democratic machine is got their front up and everyone is saying the party line of it is GWB fault. Have you noticed that even though there definately is some state and local issue with this, GWB is not pointing fingers at them. The media is pointing at them, people are pointing at them but GWB is not and he could as there is a lot remiss.

I think the scope of this disaster will show it is the largest single disaster FEMA has ever had to deal with. It takes TIME to help 100,000+ people, and it will continue to take time. You cannot set up food and housing for that vast number overnight, it just belies reasoning to think you can. Fema under Clinton's administration did not even get into Charleston after Hugo for a month. So either that was Clinton's fault, or Fema's fault, or just the fact that these situations are darn hard to deal with.
 
Let me tell you the little I know about Global Warming and GWB.

When we were in Italy the first week of July, I remember that at some global conference they were having in London (around the week of the subway bombing) and I heard this on BBC and CNN that the President did not recognize "global warming" issues because there was no conclusive scientific proof that it would cause environmental problems.

That might be where you guys are getting the idea they are blaming him for global warming.
 
Candi,

With all due respect, I don't think you can hold up the BBC and CNN as paragons of unbiased reporting and the ratings for both are tanking! I don't think they accurately stated the Bush (or any conservative for that matter) view.

There are differing scientific views on this topic, by the way. Hey, Bill Clinton had 8 years to affect change. Frankly, I prefer to have all the data before we commit our tax dollars to answers based on this uncertain science.

Michele
 
Michele, the Times-Picayune has been interesting reading, and has definately done its share of slamming the President, but also the Gov, and the Mayor. Now it is telling stories of the nightmare of getting funds from FEMA and insurance monies if you are one of the middle class. Interesting reading.

I was watching a show on one of the news stations, cannot remember which, I flip around. They were interviewing a woman who does disaster preparedness training for cities and states. One interesting comment she had about NO. She said that they do all the preparedness training for wind and earthquakes and floods, and loss of power, but one of the factors in this was the violence. She said that is in none of her preparedness videos, and she planned on redoing them and adding that in.

2/3 of the New Orleans police force quit. They quit because they could not handle the disaster and add the violence, and the fact that they too were dealing with loss of homes and families, it became too much for them. My source on this is a local radio station which has family down there. This fellow did not even blame the ones that left saying they are extremely poor paid, and were met with an extreme situation that no one foresaw. He says the 1/3 that stayed, should get medals of honor.
 
Hi Dorothy,

I've heard these same reports. Honestly, I think that alot of the problems they've had are directly related to the people themselves. Let's face it, I can't think of a single other disaster in the US where this much trouble and violence occurred in the aftermath. It's pretty darn hard to help people when they're shooting at you...and I realize that the majority of people are orderly and law abiding citizens, but it only takes a few. I also think it didn't do much for their image when the mayor sent police off to Vegas for fun and frolic. I agree that the police who stuck it out deserve medals.

Michele
 
>Hi Dorothy,
>
>I've heard these same reports. Honestly, I think that alot of
>the problems they've had are directly related to the people
>themselves. Let's face it, I can't think of a single other
>disaster in the US where this much trouble and violence
>occurred in the aftermath. It's pretty darn hard to help
>people when they're shooting at you...and I realize that the
>majority of people are orderly and law abiding citizens, but
>it only takes a few. I also think it didn't do much for their
>image when the mayor sent police off to Vegas for fun and
>frolic. I agree that the police who stuck it out deserve
>medals.
>
>Michele

Michele, everytime I read one of your political posts I think, My goodness, she's channeling ME! :p In other words, my thoughts exactly.

Sparrow


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