Going through a tough time (long)

Rose,

I am sorry to hear what happened to you. I went thru this kind of desparate situation before though the setting was not exactly the same. I know how much hurt it did to you. But like other ladies said, time will cure everything. And yes, this might be a good turning point for you. God close one door, he will open another one. Love is made by both sides. We can not force it. If it does not belong to you, no matter how much you try to grap it, you will lose it eventually. I learnt that lesson.

I agree with Missy. Don't shut down from your friends. You will be surprised how much understanding, support, love you will get from your friends. Real friends will always be there for you no matter where you are and what happened to you.

Like you, a lot of exercises kept me from the destrutive thinking cycle mode. A lot of cardio, heavy lifting. I felt every push, excursion helped me to vent my pain in a good way. After sweaty workouts, I felt nothing could beat me.

Go to see doctors, talk to your friends and family members. From what you wrote here, you are a strong woman. You will recover from it, believe me. Don't let anything destroy your future.

Lots of love and hugs to you!!

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I want to thank you all again for your support.

It was only a matter of time for him to show his true colors. Either he wasn't himself with me all these years that I've known him, or I've been ignoring the signs about his true self. He already started "gossiping" about our relationship to our friends saying that I'm delusional and I'm imagining things that never happened. Of course I will try to stay calm, but right now I just want to hurt him; I won't, but the thought is lingering in my mind. I told him I don't want to talk to him anymore and I think he's saying those things because he knows our friends are going to tell me and in that way he'll get me to call him. I'll just let him do his thing and focus on myself right now.

On the other hand, I made some calls in the afternoon and the earliest I could get an appointment is January 3rd. I'm shocked! I don't know what am I going to do until then. I found a group of psychiatrists that are depression specialists and the lady that took my call told me to call again next week and maybe she can find something for 22-last week of Dec but she can't guarantee it. I'm scared just thinking what am I going to do all those days while I'm on Christmas vacation if I don't get that appointment soon. I think life is testing me, but I look at it this way, if I've been without treatment all these years I can wait a couple of more weeks huh? I will start to call my friends eventually and I'm lucky I can still count on my mom, God, and the Catheites :). Have a nice weekend.
 
Rose! My heart goes out to you. I have also been there, done that, and thought it was the end of the world. I was absolutely certain he was going to be my husband.

I was so depressed I finally called my family doctor and got in the very next day for a prozac prescription. I only took it a short time but it helped.

I called girlfriends and kept myself very busy with them, took up some new hobbies, stayed busy keeping fit...and met the man who is now my husband just a month later. A month!

Fast forward four months and who do you suppose was calling me to talk about getting back together? When he called I didn't recognize the number and had to ask who is this? I'm sorry who is this again? Then I had the pleasure of telling him No, we're not getting together to talk, I'm seeing someone and I'm happy, and so long.

Dani's right to think of it as having cancer removed. It's a jerk-ectomy and it hurts because he's not the kind of guy you thought he was. But praise God for showing you the truth.

Know for certain that God loves you so much and that's why he removed this harmful thing from your life. Better days are coming baby! Here comes the sun so get ready for it.

Take care Rose. : ) Bella :7
 
Hi Rose,

Pretty much everything that I would want to say to you has been said and I'm a little late here, but I just had to respond and let you know that you are not alone and IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT..REPEAT...IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT. And I am so sorry you are in pain.

I went through this with my ex-husband and he blamed my hysterectomy (which I had at 25). And I bought it...all my fault...hook, line and sinker.

With time and wonderful new experiences, I've learned he was just a weak man. I took care of his Mom when she was dying of cancer, put up with his drinking and irresponsbilities...etc. We are strong women who love deeply and stick it out through the good and bad.

Please continue to eat well and exercise and I'm sure you will see a doctor soon to help you cope with the depression. And you will confide in your friends when you are ready.

I know other ladies here have been wronged like this as well and have come out the other end better off, happier and healthier. And you know what...our cheating exes are not the happy campers they thought they were going to be....that grass isn't always greener.

Please take care of yourself. Hope to hear how you're doing soon.
 
You're all so sweet. Thanks for making me laugh. LOL Legally Blonde is a funny movie indeed (and my ex is a lawyer too go figure!)
 
Glad to know you are doing so well. We are all here for you when ever you need to post :)

One thing though.. it's not all guy jerks that cheat... there are a lot of woman who do it too. I actually feel really sorry for guys because they don't have this strong network.

Cheaters are the bad ones irregardless of their sex!

You really sound good.. so glad you posted!
 
Rose, you must not blame yourself. You must be reeling from shock and hurt, but if he started seeing someone while still in a relationship, the blame lies squarely at his feet. That is purely and simply a horrible thing to do and he does not deserve you. If he was unhappy, he should have had the courage to broach the subject long before. There is no justifying cheating. Cheaters always try to blame the ones they hurt but that is just to make them feel better because they cannot own their ill behavior. Cheaters cheat because they have found the excuse THEY think justifies such behavior but it is not true. You must not condemn yourself for depression. You deserve a partner who is kind and loving in the face of such a painful and difficult thing as depression. I encourage you to seek medical help for your depression particularly now when you are grieving and seek suport from friends and family. A combination of medication and counseling could be most helpful to you in this difficult time made more difficult by a dishonest and unfaithful man who should not treat you in such a callous way. You deserve to be loved and lifted up and you are not at fault. He is. You must treat yourself with love and respect which he is not capable of doing because he is a despicable person to become involved with another while in a relationship with you. I know that's a tall order when depression rears it's ugly head, but there are many treatments to help you allevaite that darkness and doing so will help you deal with his horrible betrayal. His behavior is shameful and he knows it and he will try to make you feel as if this is somehow your fault. Don't let him. I have been struggling with depression as I have so many times in my life and it is only now that I have begun to win the battle and to feel happy and settled again. You may suffer from insomnia as well and that combination can make the most simple things in life a chore and to have to deal with such a blow must be devasting but know that it is not you who should feel guilty but he. Find a good doctor and seek help for your depression and talk about how you feel but know that you have done nothing to deserve such treatment and allow yourself to grieve your loss but don't take responsibilty for his shameful behavior. Time is a great healer and you need to take as much time as you need to process this but know there's a light at the end of that dark tunnel and I think you are a strong woman and you deserve much better than he could ever give you. I'll be keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. Take care of yourself and may you find comfort and please get help for the depression. It's there and though it takes a little time to feel better, to comes and it will give tyou the strength to get through this difficult time. If I can help in any way, email me. Blessings to you and hugs too!
Bobbi http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif "Chick's rule!"

Tell me, what it is you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? -Mary Oliver
 
Dear Rose, I feel bad for bypassing your thread yesterday because I thought it would be too long and maybe a little like what others have posted. I want you to know, I really feel for you. I hope things work out for you. Whichever way may be better for you.

Marla
 
Wow I'm shocked at the amount of support I've gotten from the forums. I knew I was going to get wise advice, but this is even more than I asked for and for that I am truly thankful. For some reason my feelings of sadness are turning into hatred for him (I don't know if that's normal, but I am being honest.) I know it is not good to hate somebody regardless of what they have done so hopefully I will be able to forgive him and not hold any grudges, although I'm not planning to keep him in my life, or even as a friend. Friends are loyal and deserve your trust, and even if I forgive and forget what he did to me, he will not be my friend ever because he's neither loyal or trustworthy, and yes, once they cross that line it's over I think. Trust is one of those things that once you lose it it's really hard to gain it back.

As for myself, I did a lot of things today. Saw my mom and dad, did some reading and some cleaning, but I didn't talk to anybody about what happened. I just feel that they will know eventually and I really don't want to open those wounds again while they're closing. I probably won't have to talk about this in depth to my friends either which I feel is better because I don't want them to choose sides. I also did a mini kickboxing marathon as I posted on another thread and now I feel like I can conquer the world.

Maybe this happened for the best. Before this happened I was having gut feelings that something was wrong and I said a prayer two weeks ago and said: "God if he's the man for me, let it happen, if he's not get him out of my life because I don't like what I've been feeling lately". Everything is starting to make sense now. I will start therapy for my depression soon and I know everything is going to be better for me. I won't lose hope. :)
 
>Maybe this happened for the best. Before this happened I was
>having gut feelings that something was wrong and I said a
>prayer two weeks ago and said: "God if he's the man for me,
>let it happen, if he's not get him out of my life because I
>don't like what I've been feeling lately". Everything is
>starting to make sense now. I will start therapy for my
>depression soon and I know everything is going to be better
>for me. I won't lose hope. :)

Your prayer was answered! It's good that you are seeing this as the blessing it really is.

I said the same exact prayer right before I found out about my ex-husband. It was just a few days!!!

Great things are right around the corner for you. :) You'll see!
 
Rose, hatred is the flip side of anger and you are angry as you should be. It's a normal, healthy response. Just don't let that tear you apart because he's not worth it. Do use it to protect yourself from further hurt or indignity. There's an adage I came across which gores, "Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die." Don't give him an ounce of power by dwelling on what you might have done differently. Again, the blame lies squarely with him and if you know that and direct all the negative emotions right at the cheater, you are doing well. I suspect you will experience the five stages of grief, that roller coaster of emotions that ends with acceptance. You show maturity and wisdom and that will see you through this because you are a strong woman with a well defined sense of identity. That makes him a complete idiot for not appreciating what he had and discarding it so carelessly. He'll regret that someday and you get to move on knowing you deserve the best and not a cheating rat fink. More hugs to you! :)
Bobbi http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif "Chick's rule!"

Tell me, what it is you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? -Mary Oliver
 
Question for Bobbi (and anybody else who can help)

Hi Bobbi. Thank you for all your wonderful words. In addition to all the support I've gotten already, for some strange reason your words and the words of the other Catheites are keeping me stronger than ever. I have a question regarding depression treatment, since you mentioned you also suffer from depression, do you think the sex of the therapist makes any difference? I'm calling for an appointment (again) next week and it's a group of psychiatrists so I have the option to choose. When I was a teenager I had a male therapist and I felt comfortable, but I don't know if it'll be different this time around. Also since I have the advantage of going to an office where I can choose different therapists I want to try a couple to test my comfort level before I stick with just one. I am also a little bit leery about being put on meds. I think that the only time of the month when my depression gets out of my control is right around that time of the month. I haven't been to a therapist so long that I don't know what options I have, what can I ask for, etc. What do you think?
 
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{{{{ROSE}}}}
I'm so sorry this is happening to you. And what a tough time of year to have it happen!

I'm glad you're going to be talking to someone about it. I don't know if the gender of the therapist matters, but there would be less chance of transference from your SO to the therapist if you see a female therapist. The important thing is that you feel comfortable with the person, and don't be afraid to change if you don't. I went to a therapist for a while when my father was ill (dying of cancer), and the first one I went to was ineffectual and I didn't feel comfortable with her, so I changed.
 
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Rose, I prefer women caregivers and all of the doctors I choose are women unless there is no other choice. Thankfully, it's never been a problem except with my orthopaedic doc and I don't see him often enough for it to make a difference and my orthopaedic issues have nothing to do with my femininity, so that works. I feel women understand women better and found it blatantly obvious when male doctors did not understand me because they were men. How could they? I know women who use anti-depressants only the week before they menstruate for PMS/PMDD

"Is It PMS or PMDD?

Are your premenstrual symptoms sometimes so severe that you feel like you can’t get out of bed? Have they caused you to miss work or cancel a social engagement? Do your symptoms begin as early as 2 weeks or 10 days before your period starts? If your symptoms are serious enough to interfere with your relationships, hamper your ability to function at work or school, or even keep you from performing daily tasks, you may have PMDD.

Feelings of persistent sadness, emptiness or hopelessness are emotional symptoms that can be characteristic of PMDD. A woman may have a sense of being overwhelmed by life and lose interest in activities she normally enjoys. Additional symptoms can include fatigue, debilitating sleep problems and unexpected weight loss or gain.

Diagnosis of both PMS and PMDD rely heavily on what you tell your doctor, especially since only 3% to 8% of menstruating women actually have PMDD. To help determine whether you have PMS or PMDD, your doctor may ask you to monitor and track your symptoms for a couple of months. That means it’s a good idea to chart and track the severity, timing and duration of your symptoms and emotions with the easy-to-use Monthly Symptom Tracker. This will help both you and your doctor gain a better understanding of your premenstrual symptoms."

Check out this webpage. It may be helpful. http://www.pms.com/understanding/whatis-pmdd.pmsx



I am much more comfortable discussing my issues with a woman and find it particularly important when it comes to health matters involving those things which are exclusive to us as women. I am seeing a psychiatrist for the first time in a long history of depression and, as it turns out, bipolar; that diagnosis threw me for a loop and my doctor chose to address insomnia, which had reached a crital point and "flight of ideas" which made the insomnia that much more intense first though I was overwhelmingly more depressed than anything. She just prescribed an anti-seizure medicine which works well for the depressive side of bipolar and I have been on an atypical antipsychotic drug which was created for schizophrnia but turned out to work well for the mania and the irritablity which can accompany it. It is also the most unbelievable insomnia cure I have ever tried. I have used half a dozen meds for insomnia including Ambien and two from the Valium family, clonazepam and Xanax, and none of them touched it and I was sleeping 2-3 hours a night and ready to crack up from sleep deprivation. For the first time, I was not just put onto an anti-depressant and it's an interesting combination which I have done well with from the start. I consider that a real blessing since it can be so hit or miss starting one of the myriad drug therapies available. Medication is not for everyone and you must weigh that out for yourself. Do discuss it with your health care givers. The stigma of a diagnosis of bipolar and the idea of using some heavy hitting medications had me fretful and upset at first. But it turned out it was more important getting myself back to "normal", whatever that is! :) I have been reading a great deal about it and and to see the words "mental illness" and to wrap my brain around that as describing ME, it's difficult and troubling but I decided to trust the doctor I chose and follow her treatment plan so I can find my joy which had taken off for parts unknown. And sharing that although it's personal and even painful, may help one person struggling with it and that can make it feel all right. I am so grateful for the wisdom that is shared so freely in these forums. I have been largely absent. this is the first time I have expereinced a depression and had days when all I could do was sleep which is so unlike me, depressed or not. My faily has been wonderful and I am happily not doing that any more.

I should add, typical of psychiatrists, my doc is mostly about prescribing and I am going to start seeing a talk therapists as soon as the one I want opens her new office. She was unavailable when I needed her the most. She is a clincal social worker so she does psychiatric disorders but does not prescribe. Shrinks do the same but tend to treat with drugs and rarely do talk thepay anymore. The combination of drug therapy and talk therapy is the most effective for dealing with depression, eating disorders and all that jazz. I am growing to love my psychiatrist and seeing her very frequently while I find my way out of this. The drug for depression is called Lamictal and it's really good. I have had no problems with side effects and my mood has become calm and my inner happy shiny person is fighting her way out. :)

I so admire the strength with which you are handling your situation, Rose. :) You hit the nail on the head. It is truly wonderful to know where you can ask for support and have it come at you so fervently that you are able to surivive a really difficult situation and feel validated and supported. It's so important and that's one of the things I love best about "Cathe's Place".

Bobbi http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif "Chick's rule!"

Tell me, what it is you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? -Mary Oliver
 
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Thanks for sharing all that information Bobbi. This is a new thing for me I guess because when I got diagnosed with depression I was probably 15 or 16 and I stopped going because I hated it (not the doctor, but the treatment itself.) I am one of those people that if a drug has any side effects I will get them. I remember meds made me daydream and stuff like that so I hated being on them.

There are several levels and types of depression (I was told mine was unipolar --which is stable and down as opposed to bipolar which goes up to the manic state and down to the depressive state-- ) and of course several treatments for them. I know when I go to the therapist (I will give an update as soon as I get an appointment tomorrow) I have to tell him/her that I didn't function well when I was on meds. There are some days of the month when my depression makes me feel very down and I see no way out of it, but I think I can get treatment for that maybe by cognitive therapy or something else that doesn't involve medication and I think those psychiatrists also do cognitive therapy so that's good. My depression is at its worst when I'm about to get my period. It is debilitating and I spend days in bed lying on a fetal position crying and all that stuff related to depression, but not mild symptoms, these are severe. I admit that I need meds for those days and I also admit I need medication to treat my insomnia. My sleep cycle is definitely not normal and that affects my behavior during the day.

Regarding the sex of the therapist, I think the opposite. For some reason I think that if I get a female therapist, I'll have the woman's point of view which we'll probably share, and if I get a male therapist I'll get to see things from a new perspective. I will try several therapists (male and female) until I find someone that makes me feel comfortable.

Doesn't Cathe have a great thing going on in these forums? I will be grateful to her and everyone responsible forever.

I'll post an update tomorrow. Thanks again.
 
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I have always found just taking those first steps to get help are valuable in and of themselves. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a singel step. :) I also suffered my first depression as a teenager and it is heartening that the diagnosis and treatment have come so far since then. I recently read that for women, bipolar usually starts as depression and, for men, mania. It really made sense but I was never extremely manic in the past. That was recent. I used my old friend's running and working out with Cathe and eating my squeaky clan diet to affectively control "it" over the years, I guess. Honestly, the whole thing feels surreal to me a lot of the time, but thankfully, I am coming back to feeling like myself although being myself has a slightly different spin on it because of that diagnosis. That is rather disconcerting to me but as time passes, I am finding that I am more than my moods and I have not lost my sense of identity because I am taking drugs to prevent a manic episode. It was very confusing to me at first and I did not like that at all.

It sounds as if you could indeed benefit from treatment for the more extreme type of Pre Menstrual Syndrome. The sexual dysfunction is also treatable. Many anti-depressants can cause or exacerbate it but there are many that don't. I used Wellbutrin in the past for that reason. It has a low occurance of the sexual side effects. Sometimes though, just getting depression under control is most important and the rest follows suite. Low libido can then be addressed by use of hormones like testosterone. I have tried that also. The Seroquel, interestingly, seems to help but I like it best because from the first day I began to sleep 8 and half hours and dream again and feel rested. It is quite remarkable. I have never been good at sleep but now I am!

I think it's a great idea to shop around for the right therapist, Rose. I was in quite a state when I met mine and she had to focus me, which was quite a task. As I have stablized, I find I like her very much. She is an older woman with a sharp wit and a real warmth I missed at first. She is so petite she sits in an oversized chair with her feet on a Physicians Desk Reference. I think having nine sisters plays into how much I prefer women doctors. I have so many strong bonds with those sisters of mine.

Good luck tomorrow. I think you'll find things have changed greatly over the years and there are many ways to deal with all you face and one of them will be the right one. Again, if I can help, I'd love to. I hope Cathe knows how wonderful and empowering her website is to all of us. Chick's rule at Cathe.com and the support and knowledge, not to mention the fun, is such a gift. :) You are a strong intelligent woman, that is so obvious. Thanks for sharing your journey, Rose. :)


Bobbi http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/chicken.gif "Chick's rule!"

Tell me, what it is you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? -Mary Oliver
 
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Rose I am sorry to hear about all the pain you are going through...my heart goes out to you.

Bobbi...I'm sure you realize, but need to be told, that all these incredibly hard bouts of depression, etc you have been going through have put you in a position to GREATLY bless those around you like no one else can. You're an amazing person and I think God is truly using you to help MILLIONS of women out there.

I'm always amazed at the support and knowledge of you women on this wonderful site. Rose...you'll be in my prayers.

Briee
 
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Rose,

I've read through the thread and I believe you are very self aware but much stronger than you realize.

I'm sending good Karma your way.
 

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