For all Vegetarians!!!!!!

bayerngirl

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A few month ago I took on the 30 day veg. challenge! I am still not eating any meat! The problem is that I am very tired, far more so than in the past. My DH says that by removing meat from my diet I gave up all of my protein (which I already understood). He recommends vitamins and a solid source of protein. Can anyone that has similar eating habits share with me what your eating schedule looks like and what type of vitamins if any you would recommend.

Thanks!
Belinda


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Am I missing something? What about tofu, beans, lentils, quinoa, nuts etc etc? Aren't these non animal proteins a part of your diet?
 
I've been a vegetarian for 30 years (I'm 46, went veggie when I was 16, in complete ignorance of nutrition, and made it through!), so here's what I can tell you. Of course, my diet has improved greatly since I became a grown-up :)

You still need to have protein at every meal, at the very least, 10-15 grams (more if you only do 3 meals a day)If you don't have a problem with milk and eggs, life will be much easier. I couldn't give up cheese no matter what, and I have eggs very rarely...mostly as an ingredient in chocolate chip cookies!

I've been eating smaller more frequent meals, and notice that I am a lot less hungry through the day. Here's a typical day for me:
Breakfast: Fiber-1 cereal with milk
Snack: nuts, banana
Lunch: Homemade veggie & bean soup, toast with slice of cheese
Snack: V-8, apple, maybe some soynuts too
Dinner: Morningstar Farms buffalo wings (YUM!), salad

The prevailing knowledge was that you MUST have complete protein at every meal, for instance bread alone (grains)is incomplete, but with peanut butter it is complete. But there has been research that as long as you get enough protein from different sources throughout the day, your body with "match up" the imcomplete proteins to be complete. It doesn't necessarily have to be combined at the same meal.

I can tell you through my experience that this is true. I just make sure I have some kind of protein at every meal (grains, beans, nuts, milk, tofu, cheese, yogurt, peanut butter, etc) and I'm fine.

But you'll find that you can get complete protein at every meal almost without trying. For instance, a serving of pasta has 7 grams of protein, but it is incomplete. But who has pasta without a bit of romano cheese?? :) Add a few tablesspoons of cheese, and all of a sudden you have 17 grams of complete protein. I LOVE toasted pine nuts on top of pasta....that adds about 5 more grams right there!

as far as vitamins, a multi-vitamin is all I do. No mega-doses for me. I don't miss meat at ALL, and have tons of energy. Although, I still love the smell of frying bacon...mmmm!
 
Belinda, what's a typical day's menu look like for you? I've been a vegetarian for almost 20 years and don't have a problem. And I know there are some vegans (no eggs or dairy) on this forum who also are full of energy. It does sound like your diet is unbalanced somewhere.
 
Belinda - There are lots of good veggie sources of protein - beans are a huge one, then tofu, etc... The book "Becoming Vegetarian" would be a great buy for you. It has a bunch of food lists that show you how to get your required nutrients. I would also suggest you look into taking a V-B12 supplement. That is one vitamin that is hard to get enough of on a vegetarian diet. I'm no nutritionist, but I believe a lack of B12 will also cause you to lose energy.
 
> My DH says that by
>removing meat from my diet I gave up all of my protein (which
>I already understood).

This is absolutely untrue! Like others have mentioned, there are TONS of vegetarian protein sources. Vegetarians who eat a varied and balanced diet are NOT protein-deficient. And unlike animal protein sources, veggie protein sources are cholesterol-free and low in saturated fat (except for dairy, of course). Beans, nuts, legumes, whole grains, leafy greens - all are excellent sources of protein. And of course, soy in it's various forms.

Your lack of energy could be due to simply not getting enough calories overall. Keep track of your eating for a few days using a diet tracker like Fitday.com or Sparkpeople.com and see how many calories you're getting in a day. (They will also tell you your protein-carb-fat breakdown) Then adjust your diet accordingly. :)
 
I've been a vegetarian at least 25-30 years and have never had a problem with energy. I take GNC Women's Fomula vitamins which have lots of Bcomplex in them. I also take a daily Amino Acid and drink an occasional protein shake. I do eat low fat cheese and yogurt....so I get my protein in those ways and I love green beans.

I think supplements would be a great addition, but make sure they have iron in them also. I've used GNCs vitamins for many years now.
 
> My DH says that by
>removing meat from my diet I gave up all of my protein (which
>I already understood).

First off, congratulations on continuing on your veggie path!

Secondly, you didn't 'give up all your protein.' There is plenty of protein available in a balance veg*n diet. Being tired could be due to a number of factors. Look at your diet, but also look at your current lifestyle overall: something else may have changed that contributes to your tiredness (are you doing a P90X rotation? LOL! I found myself very tired the first week and a half, and needed extra naps to compensate!)

I think a lot of people go wrong in a veg*n diet by relying too much on processed foods (which a lot of meat analogs are) or doing basically a veg*n equivalent of a junk-food diet (which I'm sure you aren't). Either of these can lead to fatigue.

Make sure that you have foods like legumes (lentils and garbanzos are two of my favorite types), nuts (though they are high in fat as well, so are a less desirable protein source, IMO), perhaps a yellow pea, hemp or pea/rice protein smoothie as a snack or quick breakfast.

Following specific advice from knowlegeable veg*n nutrition experts, like Dr. Joel Fuhrman ("Eat to Live") or Dr. Michael Klaper ("Vegan Nutrition Pure and Simple") or the guidelines in Stephen (somebody or other) "Plant-Based Nutrition" (available at www.veganoutreach.com ) can help get you back on track.

For vitamins, I like Dr. Fuhrman's "Gentle Care," which is specifically formulated for those on a plant-based diet, and doesn't contain some ingredients that are of questionable safety (such as vitamin A, which is easy to get in a well-balanced diet, and iron, which is toxic in high doses---an aside on iron: there was a recent thread here on iron, in reference to donating blood, with some good posts in it. One shouldn't automatically supplement with iron, because excess iron can be more of a problem than marginally low levels of iron).

I also like taking an Omega-3 supplement (specifically a vegan-based DHA/EPA supplement), and have a B-12 spray (which I now get as a "Homocysteine Control" spray by Pure Advantage ---from www.veganessentials.com --- that I use every once in a while, when I haven't been taking supplements or foods supplemented with B12).

I also will sometimes have a breakfast smoothie made with "Vegan Complete," which is a pea/rice-based protein powder with added vitamins and minerals (and on those days, I don't take another supplement).

HTH!
 
>The book "Becoming
>Vegetarian" would be a great buy for you.

I second that recommendation.

>I would also suggest you look into taking a V-B12 supplement.
>That is one vitamin that is hard to get enough of on a
>vegetarian diet. I'm no nutritionist, but I believe a lack of
>B12 will also cause you to lose energy.

Actually, if you are still eating dairy and eggs, B12 is not a problem. In fact, if you went vegan today, took no source of B12, you would probably have enough stores of B12 in your liver for at least 3 years (estimates vary, and there is probably individual variation as well, but 2-3 years is usually the low estimate I've seen, with some saying 5 years.) B12 isn't a non-issue, but it's very easy to get.
 
Beavs,what is quinoa???

Shannon looking at Govtgirls (daily food intake, I realized I don't eat enough protein at all! Not 3 times a day! It has been so busy with the move back to Germany and unpacking! I realy forgot to eat more beans, lentils and nuts! I have been eating almost none lately! Govtgirl thank you for posting your daily food intake! I didn't realize I am not eating enough beans.tofu or nuts ect!


Breakfast: 1/2 c. soymilk, 1/2 Fiber one, banana
Snack: 1 banana or other fruit!
lunch: mixed greens,tomatoes, cucumber or homemade veg.soup! No potein!
Snack: fruit or luna bar
Dinner: veg.burger and veg. with carb. or cooked veg. with carbs!

I am not taking any extra vit. or drink protein shakes! Last week I did worked out appox. 4-5 hours on top of my rotation (Back to Heavy Okt.07)! Maybe I need to lighten up a bit!

Liann I will oder the book! Since I am still very new to this!

Loric I have to look in the PX(here in Germany) and see if they sell GNC Women's Fomula vitamins! Do do get the Amino Acid form GNC?

Kathryn thanks!! I am very proud of myself beeing a vegetarian! It is really not that hard beeing a vegetarian if you know what you doing!LOL! I moved to Germany over 6 weeks ago! I can't find yellow pea,hemp or pea/rice protein! I can't find a lot of stuff like in the states! I will check it out the websites, thank you for pointing me in the right direction!!I have my DD send me the hemp and rice protein!

Emeliy I will keep track of my food on sparkspepole! I am still not eating meat!

I really a appreciate everyones inpute! Tnanks for been so supportive!!

Thanks!
Belinda







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Belinda-

It doesn't look like you aren't eating enough protein OR enough calories for the load your body's taking on with that rotation...Natural carbs (whole grain on heavier work days) a 1/2 hour before a workout and complete proteins after (legume and whole grain)...The later ESPECIALLY after weights to help muscle recupe...

Same thing the others are saying...Add a palmful of nuts and a wholegrain breadstick to your lunch salad...Fit more "mini" meals into your diet...2 foodgroups per snack is what I like to hit...

The biggest thing that new veggies miss is the "complete" protein factor...Legumes and whole grains make a complete protein, miss one, and you miss the boat...There are different variations of that thought process, but that's the jist of it...

MJ in MN
 
I gave up meat about a month ago as well. I don't crave it, and I eat tons of rice and beans and tofu.

I don't know if this is OK in the vegetarian world, but I have been having two protein shakes with a bananna or blueberries every day. It is whey proten powder, so I am assuming it is OK. It does contain milk products, so if you are giving up dairy as well, I guess it wouldn't work. I tried to give dairy up, but found it really hard. Now I just have it in moderation.
 
>The biggest thing that new veggies miss is the "complete"
>protein factor...Legumes and whole grains make a complete
>protein, miss one, and you miss the boat...

The idea that you have to get complete proteins at every meal has been disproven long ago. Even Frances Moore-Lappé, who promoted the idea of 'complete proteins' in her original "Diet for a Small Planet," corrected her info for the second edition.

Our bodies don't absorb proteins 'as-is,' they break them down into individual amino acids, storing them until needed, then combining them to make different structures. If you take complementary proteins within the same 24-48 hour period, your body will be able to create complete proteins from them. (But most 'complete protein' combos are pretty intuitive--beans and rice, lentils and another grain, etc.--so it's likely most people are eating complete proteins at most meals.

Some 'complete proteins' from the plant kingdom: soy, hemp, quinoa.
 
>Beavs,what is quinoa???

Not Beavs here, but quinoa is a grain that is a complete protein. It makes a good substitute for bulgar in tablouleh, and makes good pilafs as well. You can also cook it for a breakfast cereal.

I agree that your overall calorie intake looks low, in addition to your protein intake.

Here's a tweak to your daily food that will add more protein:

>Breakfast: 1/2 c. soymilk, 1/2 Fiber one, banana
only 1/2 c. of soymilk? Have an entire glass of it.
I'm not sure of the protein content of fiber one, but there are other cereals that can add a good boost of protein: quinoa, teff, rice bran (10 gm. protein in 1/2 cup, though somewhat high in fat), buckwheat (11 gm. of complete protein in 1/2 cup).

>Snack: 1 banana or other fruit!
Add a few nuts (brazil nuts are good, as they contain selenium, which is not prevalent in many foods), almonds are good as well (just realize that while people say nuts are a good source of protein, they are actually a fair source of protein, but a big source of fat).

Or go a different route: have some sliced veggies (red peppers, zucchini, celery, carrots, whatever you like) dipped in hummus (if you make your own, you can control the fat content: garbanzo beans themselves have only 1 gram of fat and 7 grams of protein per 1/2 cup).

>lunch: mixed greens,tomatoes, cucumber or homemade veg.soup!
>No protein!

(well, not NONE, but very low: I'd guestimate 5-8 grams)

Toss a handful of beans (including black soybeans or edamame)in your salad, and add some beans or lentils to your veggie soup.

How about a sandwich made from Food For Life sprouted grain bun (9 grams of protein in the bun, plus whatever you add: other sprouted grain breads might have as good a protein content, especially if they contain legumes, like FFL does).

Make some tofu 'mock chicken' salad, or tempeh (another soybean product--both of these are preferable to the more-processed meat analogs made from soy and/or wheat gluten, IMO).

Have lentil soup instead (about 8 grams of protein per moderate serving, depending on how much of it is lentil).

>Snack: fruit or luna bar
See previous snack suggestions.

>Dinner: veg.burger and veg. with carb. or cooked veg. with
>carbs!
Don't diss the carbs! Just make sure there's also protein. The veggie burger could have quite a bit. Serve it on one of those sprouted grain buns and the protein content will be even better.

>I am not taking any extra vit. or drink protein shakes!

Don't think that you have to drink protein shakes to get enough protein on a veg*n diet. It's absolutely not true! A well-balanced veg*n diet is more than sufficient in protein. I just am a lazy breakfast eater at times, or don't have time to fix lunch, or just am lazy about cooking for myself, which is why I take them. I also use them (and some meat analogs like soy jerky) as "emergency rations" when I'm travelling, and don't know if I'll be able to get balanced/sufficient meals (like last week, when I got served pretty much just steamed veggies at a conference, even after suggesting that I needed some protein sources like lentils).


You can check out the nutritional content of foods at www.nutritiondata.com .


>I moved to Germany over 6 weeks
>ago!

I know a German vegan (who is also a doctor and bodybuilder): Alexander Dargatz. He might be able to give you some info on places to find foods over there. I used to hang out at www.veganbodybuilding.com where he is an active member. Email him at [email protected] (his contact info is posted publicly at VB http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bio_alex so he doesn't mind being contacted. And he's a really nice guy, so don't be shy about contacting him).
 
martijean1 I have been taking everbody's advice and started eating more beans and whole grains for lunch and dinner! I am also taking a multivitamin ! I have to say I feel more engerized and not so tired
the last two days!

Thanks for the advice!

Take care,
Belinda

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Hi Kathryn,

Thank you for all the your advice, it has been very helpful! I did relize that I haven't eaten enough proteins! I am still very new at this! Besides beans and tofu I can't find soy jerky, sprouted grain buns or edamame! I am going to conduct Alexander Dargatz and see if he can guide me in the right direction, or can recommand a good German veg.cookbook! I will go to Nuernberg this weekend and see if I can find a bigger health food store with more variety!

Big Thanks!
Belinda
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Glad to help!
From your other post, it sounds like you're doing better already (having more energy).
I'm sure Alex can give you some good advice.
 

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