I've been on the fence with the ICE series, and now there is the Bundle Mania. I didn't pre-order, because I don't end up using any of Cathe's other "intermediate" workouts. Are they intense enough? I know there are the Blizzard Blasts, and the weight work looks fun; but it drives me crazy to spend time on a workout and not feel "worked out." I'm not saying that I have to do HiiT every day, and I enjoy mixing intensity; but every time I do something like LowMax, MMA Kickbox, or MMA Fusion, I feel like I've wasted my time.