Back Pain

Mariposa1973

Cathlete
Hello my friends and my favorite Cathe Friedrich. I do have a Q? if any one know, I do have problem with my alignment in my lower back and sciatica for long time but my doctor never give me attention until get worst, in october last year I was in very bad pain so he send me to phisical therapy 8 times my pain is like 1 to 10 in 3, I can do only some stretch and ligth weigth exercises, I start to get depress because I want to do my 6, 5 or 4 days of normal exercises. Ok the Q. is this problem goin to be forever or not, my doctor said to me Oh you can't be in therapy for the rest of you life so do your strech in you home. Wath I CAN DO? PLEASE CATHE OR ANY ONE GIVE ME ADVICE. THANK YOU.
 
Well the first thing I would do is get a second opinion, have you had an MRI to see why your spine is misaligned?

I completely agree and have some advice coming from experience! If you are truly out of alignment, it is important to get back into neutral alignment before working out, especially if you are doing high impact. I am currently in physical therapy with a therapist who specializes in Postural Restoration. I had been dealing with hip pain/snapping and extreme tightness for a long time, which I thought was only muscle tightness until the pain became too much. After seeing my Orthopedic doctor and having Xrays & an MRI, I found out that my pelvis was twisted & torqued forward. As a result of working out hard on a twisted pelvis, I now have arthritis in my right hip and bone spurs in my low back & hip. At the "young" age of 51, I may be looking at a hip replacement in the future. It was a tough pill to swallow especially for a high impact junkie like me. I may have to completely give up running, which I love, or cut my mileage down to a minimum. I must perform therapy exercises before I workout to get myself in neutral alignment then again after to realign in case I slipped out of neutral while I worked out. I also have to be much more in tune to my form while working out now and be watchful as fatigue sets in, as not to aggravate my situation.

So, the long winded response and advice would be to get more information on why you have this pain and respond to it before making matters worse. Good luck!
 
Thank you for your answers, I ask to my doctor for MRI and he said no.

My first reaction to this is to run fast, any Dr. who won't get an MRI when you are complaining of back pain and sciatica is a moron. You don't send someone for PT without knowing what is wrong. I am surprised the PT didn't question this, how are they supposed to do therapy if they don't know what is wrong. They could inflict more problems by doing something without any knowledge of the real issue. You could have a bulging disc, spinal stenosis etc..., they need to know what the problem is before working with you. I would get a second opinion.
 
First Thank you for read my post, the Ortopedic give me a note for my PT and the code was arthritis and the PT said no is aligment problem in the left side. So now I have appoiment with another doc, I hope he help me.
 
First Thank you for read my post, the Ortopedic give me a note for my PT and the code was arthritis and the PT said no is aligment problem in the left side. So now I have appoiment with another doc, I hope he help me.

Good luck, I hope the new dr can give you some educated answers, don't hesitate to ask questions, request an MRI etc.. You are the paying customer so don't let them push you around.
 
Hi everyone, finally I did my MRI and I do have spinal stenosis litesis, I don't know what exactlly mean, one doctor said I need sirgury and another one said no I can fix with exercices and PT. If any one know about please share with me. Thank you. I still do XTRAIN but on my own pace. I dont want to gain weight
 
I have never heard of spinal stenosis litesis, are you sure it wasn't lumbar spinal stenosis? I am not a Dr but a nurse, so maybe I haven't heard this term. However, if it is lumbar, it means you have a narrowing of the spinal cord in your lower back. This is the reason you have had the sciatica pains. Usually treatment is anti-inflammaries and PT, when that fails pain management with cortisone shots can be done, if all else fails some people opt for surgery. My dad tried everything for his stenosis but as it got worse and the cortisone shots failed he opted for the surgery. So far it has helped him. There are many things to consider if you decide on surgery. The new treatment is non invasive surgery, see if any Dr.s in your area do this type of surgery. My dad was not a candidate for this because his stenosis was very severe. Research all Dr's in your area and try to get recommendations from people who have had the surgery. Most important IMHO, seek out a neurosurgeon, they specialize in "nerves" which you have lots of in your spinal cord. There is a ton of research online, read everything before opting for surgery, be well educated on this disease for your benefit. You can google "what to ask my dr before having surgery on my spine". This can help you when going in to talk with a surgeon. The more you educate yourself the better off you will be in deciding your treatment options. Goodluck.
 
Thank you for your time I think is the same in diferents words, I wait for another doctor he be back this week, but you think is to risk the surgery, doctor some times wants to make money and you know.Thank you very much
 
I would not do surgery unless PT, anti-inflammatories, and cortisone shots have not helped. Surgery should really be the last resort. Have you seen a pain specialist yet? That should be your next step, the cortisone shots do help a lot of people avoid surgery.
 
I would not do surgery unless PT, anti-inflammatories, and cortisone shots have not helped. Surgery should really be the last resort. Have you seen a pain specialist yet? That should be your next step, the cortisone shots do help a lot of people avoid surgery.

I have PT, anti-inflammatory and for the pain, I looking for neurosurgeon in the Yale hospital .
 
Hi Mari. I used to post in these forums for years and unfortunately due to lack of time became a lurker and after reading your post, and losing all my old Cathe forum information I decided to register again so I could share my personal experience. I am almost 35 years old and I have been exercising since I was 8. Started with martial arts, then became a runner, and when I was 13 to 14 started with aerobics, step, did the Firm for awhile then discovered Cathe when I was I think 17 or 18 and I have been a faithful Catheite ever since. When I was in my early 20s I started suffering from lower back pain diagnosed as DDD or degenerative disc disease, but I did not feel pain every day. I was told to either cut back with my running and high impact or to change it all to low impact. The latter was not an option for me since these were activities that helped me cope with my stress, anxiety, and insomnia back then.

Long story short, when I was 29 my DDD was no longer DDD alone and became spinal stenosis, sciatica, lumbar radiculopathy and something else that I don't remember right now that it meant basically that I had minimal disc "tissue" left between my vertebrae in L4 and L5. I remember the day as it was yesterday when I was doing a deadlift, with perfect form and the same weight I had been using for months and after the first set my back pain was just unbearable. After that I saw an internal medicine doctor and she recommended an MRI, the MRI was the only way that my doctors could see that my DDD was no longer that alone and what other doctor might have diagnosed as perhaps a bulging disc was something way more serious. That was in fall 2008 and I turned 30 a couple of weeks after. I was in physical therapy, only did yoga, low impact aerobics and almost no weights except for my arms or machines at the gym, and the pain was not getting better. I was also prescribed pain medication (pretty much tried everything except morphine) and they did not do much for the pain, but gave me nausea, constipation, night sweats, all the side effects you could imagine. 2008 became 2009 and forget exercising I couldn't even walk, drive, be seated for a long time, be standing for a long time, I just couldn't live a normal life. Finally both my internist and physiatrist recommended several neurosurgeons for me to visit. After trying everything and seeing little results I decided that I was going to have surgery. So I took a very long sick leave from work and had surgery in February 2009. It was the scariest decision of my life but when I woke up, that pain from sciatica that was literally driving me and all my loved ones insane was gone. My doctor had me walk up two flights of stairs by the second day and I could do it, with someone standing beside me of course, but I could, and after about six months of physical therapy I was back to normal again. I have two vertical scars in my lower back that are a little more than an inch and I would say about nine months later I was running again, but only on a treadmill. I no longer practice martial arts, boxing, or any kind of contact sports, except for the occasional kickboxing or boxing DVD (at home, with no opponents besides the imaginary mean boss :eek:) and I do high impact at home only where I have my floor nicely padded, but not every day, and I am stronger now than ever. That's of course also thanks to a cleaner diet and Xtrain coupled with other Cathe masterpieces.

I am by no means sponsoring or pro surgery at all. All surgeries are risky, even the ones at the dentist, the risks when the surgery is in your spinal cord are even greater. You should see as many doctors as you can. Get a second, a third, even a fourth opinion and request an MRI. I agree with the poster that mentioned that any doctor that does not recommend one knowing all the symptoms you have described should be called a moron. Doctors get a lot of heat from health insurance companies (I used to work for one for several years so I know what I'm talking about) when they tell their patients they need expensive testing or studies and MRIs are pretty expensive. Mine was $1,000 back then of which my insurance covered $750. You should also leave surgery as the last option because it is costly, you will not be able to work for months, and every single person is different. It worked amazingly well for me, but it may or it may not work for you. I decided I needed surgery when I could no longer walk or do anything like I used to, not just because I couldn't practice my favorite sports.

I hope this huge post helps you or somebody else in your shoes. I have been there. While you wait for your current treatments to work, please treat your body kindly. Find out how much you should weigh and try to eat healthier until you see that number on the scale (being over or under your weight can make these conditions worse). Check if you have facilities that offer water aerobics or water spinning near your home or workplace. After my surgery I was practicing spinning, kickboxing and even weights on water and the funny thing is that the pools were not too deep (I'm not a very good swimmer) and my hair rarely got wet with chlorine (gotta keep those locks looking shiny:p). Walking is surprisingly a great exercise and of course yoga (as long as you don't try wheel pose or the ones like it). Be patient and even though you are in pain try to be nice to those around you. I had to apologize to several people after my surgery because I was so cranky and mean all the time before I had it. These are the moments in life that test us as human beings and you can either inspire yourself and others through your condition or put yourself and others down. Believe in yourself. Try to stay positive. I hope you feel better soon. Take care.
 
Hi Mari. I used to post in these forums for years and unfortunately due to lack of time became a lurker and after reading your post, and losing all my old Cathe forum information I decided to register again so I could share my personal experience. I am almost 35 years old and I have been exercising since I was 8. Started with martial arts, then became a runner, and when I was 13 to 14 started with aerobics, step, did the Firm for awhile then discovered Cathe when I was I think 17 or 18 and I have been a faithful Catheite ever since. When I was in my early 20s I started suffering from lower back pain diagnosed as DDD or degenerative disc disease, but I did not feel pain every day. I was told to either cut back with my running and high impact or to change it all to low impact. The latter was not an option for me since these were activities that helped me cope with my stress, anxiety, and insomnia back then.

Long story short, when I was 29 my DDD was no longer DDD alone and became spinal stenosis, sciatica, lumbar radiculopathy and something else that I don't remember right now that it meant basically that I had minimal disc "tissue" left between my vertebrae in L4 and L5. I remember the day as it was yesterday when I was doing a deadlift, with perfect form and the same weight I had been using for months and after the first set my back pain was just unbearable. After that I saw an internal medicine doctor and she recommended an MRI, the MRI was the only way that my doctors could see that my DDD was no longer that alone and what other doctor might have diagnosed as perhaps a bulging disc was something way more serious. That was in fall 2008 and I turned 30 a couple of weeks after. I was in physical therapy, only did yoga, low impact aerobics and almost no weights except for my arms or machines at the gym, and the pain was not getting better. I was also prescribed pain medication (pretty much tried everything except morphine) and they did not do much for the pain, but gave me nausea, constipation, night sweats, all the side effects you could imagine. 2008 became 2009 and forget exercising I couldn't even walk, drive, be seated for a long time, be standing for a long time, I just couldn't live a normal life. Finally both my internist and physiatrist recommended several neurosurgeons for me to visit. After trying everything and seeing little results I decided that I was going to have surgery. So I took a very long sick leave from work and had surgery in February 2009. It was the scariest decision of my life but when I woke up, that pain from sciatica that was literally driving me and all my loved ones insane was gone. My doctor had me walk up two flights of stairs by the second day and I could do it, with someone standing beside me of course, but I could, and after about six months of physical therapy I was back to normal again. I have two vertical scars in my lower back that are a little more than an inch and I would say about nine months later I was running again, but only on a treadmill. I no longer practice martial arts, boxing, or any kind of contact sports, except for the occasional kickboxing or boxing DVD (at home, with no opponents besides the imaginary mean boss :eek:) and I do high impact at home only where I have my floor nicely padded, but not every day, and I am stronger now than ever. That's of course also thanks to a cleaner diet and Xtrain coupled with other Cathe masterpieces.

I am by no means sponsoring or pro surgery at all. All surgeries are risky, even the ones at the dentist, the risks when the surgery is in your spinal cord are even greater. You should see as many doctors as you can. Get a second, a third, even a fourth opinion and request an MRI. I agree with the poster that mentioned that any doctor that does not recommend one knowing all the symptoms you have described should be called a moron. Doctors get a lot of heat from health insurance companies (I used to work for one for several years so I know what I'm talking about) when they tell their patients they need expensive testing or studies and MRIs are pretty expensive. Mine was $1,000 back then of which my insurance covered $750. You should also leave surgery as the last option because it is costly, you will not be able to work for months, and every single person is different. It worked amazingly well for me, but it may or it may not work for you. I decided I needed surgery when I could no longer walk or do anything like I used to, not just because I couldn't practice my favorite sports.

I hope this huge post helps you or somebody else in your shoes. I have been there. While you wait for your current treatments to work, please treat your body kindly. Find out how much you should weigh and try to eat healthier until you see that number on the scale (being over or under your weight can make these conditions worse). Check if you have facilities that offer water aerobics or water spinning near your home or workplace. After my surgery I was practicing spinning, kickboxing and even weights on water and the funny thing is that the pools were not too deep (I'm not a very good swimmer) and my hair rarely got wet with chlorine (gotta keep those locks looking shiny:p). Walking is surprisingly a great exercise and of course yoga (as long as you don't try wheel pose or the ones like it). Be patient and even though you are in pain try to be nice to those around you. I had to apologize to several people after my surgery because I was so cranky and mean all the time before I had it. These are the moments in life that test us as human beings and you can either inspire yourself and others through your condition or put yourself and others down. Believe in yourself. Try to stay positive. I hope you feel better soon. Take care.

Hi thank you for tell me you
 
Hi Mari. I used to post in these forums for years and unfortunately due to lack of time became a lurker and after reading your post, and losing all my old Cathe forum information I decided to register again so I could share my personal experience. I am almost 35 years old and I have been exercising since I was 8. Started with martial arts, then became a runner, and when I was 13 to 14 started with aerobics, step, did the Firm for awhile then discovered Cathe when I was I think 17 or 18 and I have been a faithful Catheite ever since. When I was in my early 20s I started suffering from lower back pain diagnosed as DDD or degenerative disc disease, but I did not feel pain every day. I was told to either cut back with my running and high impact or to change it all to low impact. The latter was not an option for me since these were activities that helped me cope with my stress, anxiety, and insomnia back then.

Long story short, when I was 29 my DDD was no longer DDD alone and became spinal stenosis, sciatica, lumbar radiculopathy and something else that I don't remember right now that it meant basically that I had minimal disc "tissue" left between my vertebrae in L4 and L5. I remember the day as it was yesterday when I was doing a deadlift, with perfect form and the same weight I had been using for months and after the first set my back pain was just unbearable. After that I saw an internal medicine doctor and she recommended an MRI, the MRI was the only way that my doctors could see that my DDD was no longer that alone and what other doctor might have diagnosed as perhaps a bulging disc was something way more serious. That was in fall 2008 and I turned 30 a couple of weeks after. I was in physical therapy, only did yoga, low impact aerobics and almost no weights except for my arms or machines at the gym, and the pain was not getting better. I was also prescribed pain medication (pretty much tried everything except morphine) and they did not do much for the pain, but gave me nausea, constipation, night sweats, all the side effects you could imagine. 2008 became 2009 and forget exercising I couldn't even walk, drive, be seated for a long time, be standing for a long time, I just couldn't live a normal life. Finally both my internist and physiatrist recommended several neurosurgeons for me to visit. After trying everything and seeing little results I decided that I was going to have surgery. So I took a very long sick leave from work and had surgery in February 2009. It was the scariest decision of my life but when I woke up, that pain from sciatica that was literally driving me and all my loved ones insane was gone. My doctor had me walk up two flights of stairs by the second day and I could do it, with someone standing beside me of course, but I could, and after about six months of physical therapy I was back to normal again. I have two vertical scars in my lower back that are a little more than an inch and I would say about nine months later I was running again, but only on a treadmill. I no longer practice martial arts, boxing, or any kind of contact sports, except for the occasional kickboxing or boxing DVD (at home, with no opponents besides the imaginary mean boss :eek:) and I do high impact at home only where I have my floor nicely padded, but not every day, and I am stronger now than ever. That's of course also thanks to a cleaner diet and Xtrain coupled with other Cathe masterpieces.

I am by no means sponsoring or pro surgery at all. All surgeries are risky, even the ones at the dentist, the risks when the surgery is in your spinal cord are even greater. You should see as many doctors as you can. Get a second, a third, even a fourth opinion and request an MRI. I agree with the poster that mentioned that any doctor that does not recommend one knowing all the symptoms you have described should be called a moron. Doctors get a lot of heat from health insurance companies (I used to work for one for several years so I know what I'm talking about) when they tell their patients they need expensive testing or studies and MRIs are pretty expensive. Mine was $1,000 back then of which my insurance covered $750. You should also leave surgery as the last option because it is costly, you will not be able to work for months, and every single person is different. It worked amazingly well for me, but it may or it may not work for you. I decided I needed surgery when I could no longer walk or do anything like I used to, not just because I couldn't practice my favorite sports.

I hope this huge post helps you or somebody else in your shoes. I have been there. While you wait for your current treatments to work, please treat your body kindly. Find out how much you should weigh and try to eat healthier until you see that number on the scale (being over or under your weight can make these conditions worse). Check if you have facilities that offer water aerobics or water spinning near your home or workplace. After my surgery I was practicing spinning, kickboxing and even weights on water and the funny thing is that the pools were not too deep (I'm not a very good swimmer) and my hair rarely got wet with chlorine (gotta keep those locks looking shiny:p). Walking is surprisingly a great exercise and of course yoga (as long as you don't try wheel pose or the ones like it). Be patient and even though you are in pain try to be nice to those around you. I had to apologize to several people after my surgery because I was so cranky and mean all the time before I had it. These are the moments in life that test us as human beings and you can either inspire yourself and others through your condition or put yourself and others down. Believe in yourself. Try to stay positive. I hope you feel better soon. Take care.

Thank you very much I m scare,
 
I'm so saaaadddd no only have Stenosis my L4 is bad too. I feel like cry.

Awh I'm do sorry, I know how u may feel for sure I had bad health news myself, I will pray for you, I'm sending a hug through the internet. So hard to know how what to do, but do not give up!
 
My first reaction to this is to run fast, any Dr. who won't get an MRI when you are complaining of back pain and sciatica is a moron. You don't send someone for PT without knowing what is wrong. I am surprised the PT didn't question this, how are they supposed to do therapy if they don't know what is wrong. They could inflict more problems by doing something without any knowledge of the real issue. You could have a bulging disc, spinal stenosis etc..., they need to know what the problem is before working with you. I would get a second opinion.

Hi you was right I do have spinal stenosis, thank you.
 
Hi you was right I do have spinal stenosis, thank you.

I am so sorry to hear that you have spinal stenosis, what treatment plan have they suggested? You should try swimming, it a very low impact and will not cause further deterioration of the spine. Good luck, I hope you can find some relief soon.
 

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