Agave nectar

Figures. :rolleyes:

However, I don't put too much stock in what he says, but he does seem to know what he's talking about in this article. I don't know, I'm so sick of looking for a good, SAFE sugar substitute. I wish sugar was never invented.
 
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There is a safe "substitute" - it's called moderation. There is nothing wrong with sugar. I rarely use sweeteners of any variety, but when a recipe calls for sugar, I use it. I also use honey quite a bit. And I occassionally use agave, as well. Funny - these people who are always touting alternatives are always selling something (another subsitute, a book, a program, whatever). Food stuffs in the form mother nature created them are perfectly fine - chemicals, not so much. People have just become too obsessive.
 
There is a safe "substitute" - it's called moderation. There is nothing wrong with sugar. I rarely use sweeteners of any variety, but when a recipe calls for sugar, I use it. I also use honey quite a bit. And I occassionally use agave, as well. Funny - these people who are always touting alternatives are always selling something (another subsitute, a book, a program, whatever). Food stuffs in the form mother nature created them are perfectly fine - chemicals, not so much. People have just become too obsessive.

I agree with this 100%. I also use sugar when a recipe calls for it. And moderation is the key. However, I notice when I start "moderately" using sugar or sub sweeteners (like agave) my craving for sugar increase which makes my use more then moderate amounts.

It just frustrates me.
 
I agree with this 100%. I also use sugar when a recipe calls for it. And moderation is the key. However, I notice when I start "moderately" using sugar or sub sweeteners (like agave) my craving for sugar increase which makes my use more then moderate amounts.

It just frustrates me.
Debbie, I think I am in the same boat you are. There is no such thing as moderation for me: I either control it by not eating any at all or it controls me. I get frustrated when I hear people telling me that I just need to eat it in moderation, and they make it sound so easy, because it just isn't possible for me! I wish it was, though, then I could stop at one or two cookies instead of eating them all. :eek: It was much easier to quit smoking.

I can't read the article because there is a huge banner in the middle of the page that I don't want to make going away by subscribing. I will look it up elsewhere, though. If it says what I think it says, I am sad because I like Agave!

Melissa
 
Debbie, I think I am in the same boat you are. There is no such thing as moderation for me: I either control it by not eating any at all or it controls me. I get frustrated when I hear people telling me that I just need to eat it in moderation, and they make it sound so easy, because it just isn't possible for me! I wish it was, though, then I could stop at one or two cookies instead of eating them all. :eek: It was much easier to quit smoking.

I can't read the article because there is a huge banner in the middle of the page that I don't want to make going away by subscribing. I will look it up elsewhere, though. If it says what I think it says, I am sad because I like Agave!

Melissa

Yep, I'm right there with you. Cookies are my downfall. I can't have any in the house or I'm done!

You can read the article, I just kept scrolling down and reading at the bottom of the banner. Irritating that you have to register on his site.
 
I agree about moderation, and I agree that I shouldn't have cookies around the house. But I am annoyed by the good doctor's website and not being able to read the article without having to sign up. What a weasel.
 
Here's a link to another article discussing the safety of agave. Here and here you will find responses from the president of Madhava, one of the primary agave distributers.

This has come up several times on a vegan forum I visit. I've decided that sugar is sugar is sugar, for the most part. I'm not going to freak out about agave - I use it in place of honey in recipes and occasionally in hot drinks. I also use maple syrup. I avoid HFCS completely, and since I'm trying to cut WAY back on added sugars altogether, I don't even use much agave or maple syrup.

I'm also completely in accord with the rest of you - I know that if I bake something, my willpower will crumble like - well, like a cookie. Or a cupcake.

Or a brownie.

I've slowly managed to phase out all artificial sweeteners (adios, Splenda), even diet soda (which I think I was ADDICTED to - I mean, I was practically crying the first week with no Coke Zero - scary) and now, as long as I don't keep anything in the house, I find it easier and easier to resist sugar. I just pretend that sugar never WAS invented. Sometimes my imagination is strong...other times...not so much! :p
 
i can not eat in moderation at all. yesterday i had 2 pieces of coffee cake and ate one after the other. same with muffins,cookies,rollos,m&ms,and sooo on. for that reason i do not make anything with sugar. homemade cooking,no added sugar

laura
 
I think the big problem with agave (as well as some other foods, like wheat and soy) is that it is now in SO MANY things (especially if you buy prepared raw foods like I do). Anything in excess can cause problems, IMO, and limiting agave (or any sweetener for that matter) is a good idea.

I haven't given it up completely, but I've certainly cut down on it from what I was using about a year ago.
 
I still use sugar, but only in baking or when a specific recipe call for it. I also use honey. I'm using so little sugar these days that I only buy one 5 lb. bag about every 6 months! I used to have to buy it every 2 months! I've never tried agave, but have been wanting to. I'm just too lazy to make a special trip to Whole Foods for it.
 
I agree about moderation, and I agree that I shouldn't have cookies around the house. But I am annoyed by the good doctor's website and not being able to read the article without having to sign up. What a weasel.

Most newspapers and magazines ask for your email address to be able to see an article. That doesn't make him a weasel!

I think there is always a problem with anything that that we eat too much of. I don't think agave nectar or honey are an exception. And just because something is natural doesn't make it safe or automatically better. I think if the choice is agave or articifical sweetener, I would think the choice is pretty clear. If the choice is agave syrup or nothing, I would opt for keeping the additional calories out. I think Dr. Mercola makes a good point that agave syrup was very cleverly marketed

Melissa, here is the article:

The popularity of agave syrup, also called agave nectar, is on a meteoric rise -- thanks in large part to clever marketing which positions the product as a healthy alternative to sugar and artificial sweeteners.
Agave is also heavily promoted as a low glycemic food, enticing diabetics.
I’ll discuss just how “healthy” agave is in a minute.
The Amazing Power of Marketing

In case you doubt the influence of marketing in setting trends and consumer buying habits, look at these statistics:
  • Agave products more than tripled in number between 2003 and 2007.
  • McCormick & Co., a major food manufacturer, placed agave syrup in its “top 10 fla­vors” list for 2009.
Agave can now be found in prepared tea, energy and “health” drinks, nutrition bars, desserts, and other food items typically found in health food stores.
Agave is also quickly crossing over from the health food market to mainstream grocery chains, and consumers (especially vegans and raw food enthusiasts) are buying up bottles of the stuff to use in place of other sweeteners, like honey.
Why Agave Syrup is the Hottest New Trend in Sugar Alternatives
Taste. Agave has a subtle, delicate flavor many people enjoy.
Sweetness. Agave syrup can be up to three times as sweet as table sugar, so it takes less to sweeten a food or beverage.
Public perception. Highly effective agave product marketing campaigns have per­suaded consumers the sweetener is a healthy alternative to sugar. As more and more people veer away from deadly artificial sweeteners and high fructose corn syrup (but not from their sugar addiction, unfortunately), they are on the hunt for safer, healthier alter­natives.
About the Agave Plant
Agaves grow primarily in Mexico, but you can also find them in the southern and west­ern United States, as well as in South America. Previously, it was most commonly known as a primary ingredient of tequila. Agaves are not cacti, but are actually related to the lily and amaryllis families of plants.
There are over 100 species of agave plants, in a wide variety of sizes and colors.
Edible parts of the agave are the flowers, leaves, stalks and the sap. It is the sap of the plant that is used to make agave syrup.
Commercially available agave syrup or nectar is thought to be produced primarily from blue agave plants grown in Southern Mexico. This is because the blue agave has a high carbohydrate content, which results in a high concentration of fructose in the final prod­uct.
Harvesting the Sap
When an agave plant is about seven to 10 years old, the leaves are removed to expose the core, or pina, of the plant. The harvested pina looks like a large pineapple and can weigh anywhere from 50 to 150 pounds.
Sap is removed from the pina, filtered, and heated to break down the carbohydrates into sugars.

The same agave plant produces all three varieties of commercially sold syrup, depend­ing on the amount of heat used in processing. These varieties include:
  • Raw (color is similar to maple syrup and flavor is similar to caramel)
  • Light (lighter color and flavor than raw)
  • Amber (similar in color and flavor to raw)
Many varieties of agave nectar are processed at relatively low temperatures (below 118°F) and are marketed as a “raw” food.
The Myth of Agave as a “Healthy” Sugar Substitute


  • Agave syrup is neither a natural food nor organic
Fully chemically processed sap from the agave plant is known as hydrolyzed high fructose inulin syrup.
According to Dr. Ingrid Kohlstadt, a fellow of the American College of Nutrition and an associate faculty member at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health:

“[Agave is] almost all fructose, highly processed sugar with great marketing.”



  • Agave syrup is not low calorie.
Agave syrup is about 16 calories per teaspoon, the same as table sugar.


  • Agave syrup may not have a low glycemic index.
Depending upon where the agave comes from and the amount of heat used to proc­ess it, your agave syrup can be anywhere from 55 percent to 90 percent fructose! (And it’s likely you won’t be able to tell from the product label.)
This range of fructose content hardly makes agave syrup a logical choice if you’re hoping to avoid the high levels of fructose in HFCS (high fructose corn syrup).
And if you’re diabetic, you should know that the alleged benefit of agave for diabetics is purely speculative. Very few agave studies have been docu­mented, and most involved rats. There have been no clinical studies done on its safety for diabetics.
Since most agave syrup has such a high percentage of fructose, your blood sugar will likely spike just as it would if you were consuming regular sugar or HFCS, and you would also run the risk of raising your triglyceride levels. It’s also important to understand that whereas the glucose in other sugars are converted to blood glucose, fructose is a relatively unregulated source of fuel that your liver converts to fat and cholesterol.
A significant danger here is that fructose does not stimulate your insulin secretion, nor enhance leptin production, which is thought to be involved in appetite regulation. (This was detailed in one of the most thorough scientific analyses published to date on this topic.)
Because insulin and leptin act as key signals in regulating how much food you eat, as well as your body weight, dietary fructose can also contribute to increased food intake and weight gain.
Therefore, if you need to lose weight, fructose is one type of sugar you’ll definitely want to avoid, no matter what the source is.
Other Dangers of Fructose
In addition, consuming high amounts of concentrated fructose may cause health problems ranging from mineral depletion, to insulin resistance, high blood pressure, cardiovascular disease, and even miscarriage in pregnant women.
Fructose may also interfere with your body’s ability to metabolize copper. This can result in depletion of collagen and elastin, which are vital connective tissues. A copper deficiency can also result in anemia, fragile bones, defects in your arteries, infertility, high choles­terol and heart disease, and uncontrolled blood sugar levels.
Additionally, fructose consumption has been shown to significantly increase uric acid. Elevated lev­els of uric acid are markers for heart disease. It has also been shown to increase blood lactic acid, especially in diabetics. Elevations in lactic acid can result in metabolic acido­sis.
Isolated fructose has no enzymes, vitamins or minerals and can rob your body of these nutrients in order to assimilate itself. Hence, consumption of fructose can also lead to loss of vital minerals like calcium, iron, magnesium, and zinc.
Other Reasons You Should Steer Clear of Agave

  1. There are very few quality controls in place to monitor the production of agave syrup. Nearly all agave sold in the U.S. comes from Mexico. Industry insiders are concerned agave distributors are using lesser, even toxic, agave plants due to a shortage of blue agave.

    There are also concerns that some distributors are cutting agave syrup with corn syrup -- how often and to what extent is anyone’s guess. In addition, the FDA has refused shipments of agave syrup due to excessive pesticide residues.
  1. Agave syrup is not a whole food -- it is fractionated and processed. The sap is sepa­rated from the plant and treated with heat, similar to how maple sap is made into maple syrup. Agave nectar is devoid of many of the nutrients contained in the original, whole plant.
  1. Agave syrup is not a live food. The natural enzymes are removed to prevent agave syrup from fermenting and turning into tequila in your food pantry or cabi­net.
  1. Agave is, for all intents and purposes, highly concentrated sugar. Sugar and sweet­eners wreak havoc on your health and are highly addictive.
The Case Against Sugar
No matter your nutritional type, sugar is not good for you. Certainly you can tolerate small amounts if you are healthy and the majority of your diet is healthy, but let’s face it the average American is consuming over 150 pounds a year of sugar or nearly half a pound a day. Ideally your annual consumption should be well under ten pounds per YEAR.
Sugar increases your insulin and leptin levels and decreases receptor sensitivity of both these hormones. This can lead to a wide range of health problems, including weight gain, diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, premature aging, and heart dis­ease.
Sugar suppresses your immune system, causing problems with allergies and digestive disorders. It can even bring on depression.
For a comprehensive list of the dangers of sugar to your body, read 76 ways sugar can destroy your health now.
 
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Worse Than Any Sugar: Artificial Sweeteners
The worst of all possible choices are artificial sweeteners. They are, without question, far more damaging to your health than regular sugar.
While I don’t recommend it, consuming sugar in moderation isn’t likely to cause serious health problems. Moderation in this case is five pounds or less per year, which is a far cry from the 150 pounds per year consumed by the majority of Americans.
If you’re interested in kicking your sugar addiction, I highly recommend trying a meridian tapping technique called Turbo Tapping, which has helped thousands of people kick their sugar and soda habits.
Have You Tried Stevia?
If you’re determined to sweeten your foods and beverages, I urge you to consider using stevia. Stevia is a sweet herb, safe and natural. It is much sweeter than sugar, but has no calories. It is my personal choice of sweetener.
In the U.S., you’ll find stevia not in the sweetener aisle of your local grocery, but in the supplement section. It can be used in appetizers, beverages, soups, salads, vegetables, desserts -- just about anything.
If you’ve tried stevia and were bothered by an aftertaste, it could be the way the plant was processed. You should try a few different brands until you find one that tastes good.
However, if you have insulin issues, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes, or if you’re overweight, I suggest you avoid all sweeteners, including stevia, since any sweetener can decrease your insulin sensitivity.
For everyone else, my recommendation is to:
 
Debbie, I think I am in the same boat you are. There is no such thing as moderation for me: I either control it by not eating any at all or it controls me. I get frustrated when I hear people telling me that I just need to eat it in moderation, and they make it sound so easy, because it just isn't possible for me! I wish it was, though, then I could stop at one or two cookies instead of eating them all. :eek: It was much easier to quit smoking.

I can't read the article because there is a huge banner in the middle of the page that I don't want to make going away by subscribing. I will look it up elsewhere, though. If it says what I think it says, I am sad because I like Agave!

Melissa

I'm paddling the same canoe, I was loving Agave until I realized it had the same amount of calories as sugar or honey, teaspoon per teaspoon. Last month I tried this stevia product called Sun Crystals. Each packet is 5 calories, which to me isn't a big deal and it makes a cup of coffee nearly too sweet, I use a little more than half the packet. I've tried Truvia, but this tastes much better to me, maybe because there is a little bit of sugar in there too.
 
Thank goodness I don't have a sweet tooth!
I had never heard or assumed Agave was lower calories. That's like saying olive oil has fewer calories than canola oil. It's all fat! Sugar is sugar. And yes, you can wean yourself off of it. And once you do you won't like the taste of it - just like fat.
Like everything else, it's a choice.
 
So I'm just curious as to where fruit fits into all of this. Obviously fruit isn't bad like agave and HFCS, but if fruit contains fructose then why is it okay? Is it simply because it has less fructose?
 
Carola - THANK YOU! :D:cool:

NY25, yes, definitely be thankful :)

Amy, here are main difference I see between sugar and the fructose found naturally in fruits: If I eat an apple, pear, peache, cherries, etc. I don't start storming the kitchen looking for more. I am satisfied, unlike eating any processed, refined sugar (and other carbs that aren't HFCS). Then my stomach seems to turn into a black hole. I am not a scientist or nutritionist, and could never even begin to explain why that happens or what the molecular differences are and how they effect our bodies. All I know is that our bodies need carbs to function properly and efficiently, and fruit is completely natural, grows on its own and is filled with minerals and vitamins that or bodies need. All that's in HFCS is sugar. There is absolutely nothing of value in HFCS, sugar, or other sweeteners except to satisfy taste buds. At least, that's my opinion. :cool:
And I do like raw honey, especially from our local farmer, because it really helps us with allergies.

Melissa :)
 
Bummer.

I thought I was doing something healthy using it.

I do only use about 2 tsps a day, but still. I guess honey would be the same thing.
 

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