4-week only STS 2.0 Hypertrophy Rotation?

Kellyro77

Cathlete
I'm looking at creating a rotation using STS 2.0 that would replace Meso 2 from the original STS. I'm curious how some of you would approach this (and, of course, Cathe, if you're reading, how would you?)

NOTE: At the time I only have the DVDs - not streaming and therefore no Workout Blender.

Because STS 2.0 doesn't have UB split workouts, these are the options I'm thinking are available:
  1. Follow a rotation that would just utilize an UB and LB workout and then include a TB workout each week with rest and/or cardio in between. (Somewhat similar to 2Lazy4Gym, only no extra emphasis on back workouts.)
  2. Hack together an UB split by utilizing premixes from the Body Parts workouts in the series (I'd have to use more than one DVD to fully replace a split - meaning I'd have to tag the Shoulders workout onto the other BP DVDs. If I were to do this, I'd use one of the premixes that keep the workout under 60 min - so none of the "Extreme" ones. Probably one of the "No Repeats" versions.). I'd continue to use any of the three LB workouts from the series for the LB days.
  3. Use the Express #5 and #6 "Split" workouts from Tri Sets Total Body, just omit the LB exercises and use one of the three full LB workouts for the LB days.
  4. Do a mix of options 2 and 3 above to combat boredom for the UB split days. (Or even a mix of 1, 2 and 3.)
  5. OR, opt to do only Body Parts workouts for the full four weeks.
Trying to figure this out as a stand-in for the next time I follow along with the original STS and I'm on to Meso 2, Hypertrophy. Just curious which combo you all think is most advantageous given you only have 4 weeks to work on hypertrophy.
 
Goodness,what a brain-teaser, LOL. But fun!:)

The simplest for me would be option 1. Then you get to work each body part twice in the week. Plenty of volume. You could do that for 2 weeks with no repeats. Or another simple option, do the 3 TB in one week - still plenty of volume. Or do a mix of these two simple options to combat boredom over the month. Yet, another option - there are UB/LB splits on Tri-Sets and SuperSets TB, so you could combine them to get another UB/LB split (the LB are rather short but could be repeated or combined). I really enjoy the BP splits, so I'd probably do a week of Legs, Back, Chest, Shoulders, then combine Bi's/Tri's for one week (or sub in Xtrain's BurnSets Bis/Tris) which gives two days for rest/recovery or cardio.

If you're thinking of the traditional "bro-split" of the original STS, then using the prmixes from TriSets would give you one week. Then you could play with those Body Parts to get the split you're looking for. Shoulders could be divided between the two other UB as Cathe does in the LMRE/2 Bonus workouts and in RWH. My shoulders can use the additonal work, so I'd probable make it a 4th workout in that week. 2Lazy4Gym added Back as her 4th. I modified her rotation and rotated an extra full UB part in each week instead of just back.

I think I just muddled the waters :D
 
Goodness,what a brain-teaser, LOL. But fun!:)

The simplest for me would be option 1. Then you get to work each body part twice in the week. Plenty of volume. You could do that for 2 weeks with no repeats. Or another simple option, do the 3 TB in one week - still plenty of volume. Or do a mix of these two simple options to combat boredom over the month. Yet, another option - there are UB/LB splits on Tri-Sets and SuperSets TB, so you could combine them to get another UB/LB split (the LB are rather short but could be repeated or combined). I really enjoy the BP splits, so I'd probably do a week of Legs, Back, Chest, Shoulders, then combine Bi's/Tri's for one week (or sub in Xtrain's BurnSets Bis/Tris) which gives two days for rest/recovery or cardio.

If you're thinking of the traditional "bro-split" of the original STS, then using the prmixes from TriSets would give you one week. Then you could play with those Body Parts to get the split you're looking for. Shoulders could be divided between the two other UB as Cathe does in the LMRE/2 Bonus workouts and in RWH. My shoulders can use the additonal work, so I'd probable make it a 4th workout in that week. 2Lazy4Gym added Back as her 4th. I modified her rotation and rotated an extra full UB part in each week instead of just back.

I think I just muddled the waters :D
Thanks - I appreciate some more ideas. It's definitely a brain-teaser.

Maybe a more simple question is just "if you could only do a 4-week STS 2.0 rotation, what would you do?"

Fortunately I've got lots of time before I need to come to any firm decisions on this - won't be revisiting STS again until the end of the year - but I'm thinking that I'd rather utilize STS 2.0 for the hypertrophy phase.
 
This is suggested by Google Gemini AI Agent:

The 4-Week "Total Body & Split" Cycle
This rotation blends total body metabolic conditioning with focused upper/lower splits to build strength and endurance. It gives your body a rest day between each lifting session to maximize recovery.
  • Monday: Upper Body Focus (Chest, Back, Shoulders)
  • Tuesday: Recovery or Steady-State Cardio (30 min max)
  • Wednesday: Lower Body Focus (Quads, Hamstrings, Glutes, Core)
  • Thursday: Recovery or Steady-State Cardio (30 min max)
  • Friday: Total Body Strength (Supersets or Giant Sets)
  • Saturday: Mobility, Yoga, or Rest
  • Sunday: Complete Rest Day
Cathe Friedrich Workouts to Use
You can mix and match from the STS 2.0 series to fill this schedule:
  • Total Body: Supersets, Giant Sets, or Tri-Sets Total Body
  • Upper Body: Upper Body 1, Upper Body 2, or Body Parts Back + Biceps
  • Lower Body: Lower Body 1 or Lower Body 2
  • Recovery / Core: Mobility 1, Active Recovery, or Metabolic Core
 
I'm looking at creating a rotation using STS 2.0 that would replace Meso 2 from the original STS. I'm curious how some of you would approach this (and, of course, Cathe, if you're reading, how would you?)

NOTE: At the time I only have the DVDs - not streaming and therefore no Workout Blender.

Because STS 2.0 doesn't have UB split workouts, these are the options I'm thinking are available:
  1. Follow a rotation that would just utilize an UB and LB workout and then include a TB workout each week with rest and/or cardio in between. (Somewhat similar to 2Lazy4Gym, only no extra emphasis on back workouts.)
  2. Hack together an UB split by utilizing premixes from the Body Parts workouts in the series (I'd have to use more than one DVD to fully replace a split - meaning I'd have to tag the Shoulders workout onto the other BP DVDs. If I were to do this, I'd use one of the premixes that keep the workout under 60 min - so none of the "Extreme" ones. Probably one of the "No Repeats" versions.). I'd continue to use any of the three LB workouts from the series for the LB days.
  3. Use the Express #5 and #6 "Split" workouts from Tri Sets Total Body, just omit the LB exercises and use one of the three full LB workouts for the LB days.
  4. Do a mix of options 2 and 3 above to combat boredom for the UB split days. (Or even a mix of 1, 2 and 3.)
  5. OR, opt to do only Body Parts workouts for the full four weeks.
Trying to figure this out as a stand-in for the next time I follow along with the original STS and I'm on to Meso 2, Hypertrophy. Just curious which combo you all think is most advantageous given you only have 4 weeks to work on hypertrophy.
I like option 1!
 
This is suggested by Google Gemini AI Agent:

The 4-Week "Total Body & Split" Cycle
This rotation blends total body metabolic conditioning with focused upper/lower splits to build strength and endurance. It gives your body a rest day between each lifting session to maximize recovery.
  • Monday: Upper Body Focus (Chest, Back, Shoulders)
  • Tuesday: Recovery or Steady-State Cardio (30 min max)
  • Wednesday: Lower Body Focus (Quads, Hamstrings, Glutes, Core)
  • Thursday: Recovery or Steady-State Cardio (30 min max)
  • Friday: Total Body Strength (Supersets or Giant Sets)
  • Saturday: Mobility, Yoga, or Rest
  • Sunday: Complete Rest Day
Cathe Friedrich Workouts to Use
You can mix and match from the STS 2.0 series to fill this schedule:
  • Total Body: Supersets, Giant Sets, or Tri-Sets Total Body
  • Upper Body: Upper Body 1, Upper Body 2, or Body Parts Back + Biceps
  • Lower Body: Lower Body 1 or Lower Body 2
  • Recovery / Core: Mobility 1, Active Recovery, or Metabolic Core
Nabbe47, I really like this idea!
 
Since you liked Gemini AI agent suggestion, here is my discussion with a ChatGPT AI Agent - Think it is interesting to share!

Given that you're 78 years old, have intermediate-to-advanced lifting experience, and want a full-body hypertrophy program without using cables or machines, I'd make a few adjustments:
  • Prioritize recovery and joint health.
  • Train each muscle group frequently (5 full-body sessions).
  • Keep most sets in the 8–15 rep range.
  • Limit extremely fatiguing lifts.
  • Use dumbbells, barbells, bench, rack, pull-up bar, and bodyweight.
  • Aim to leave 1–2 reps in reserve on most sets.
Weekly Structure

Monday:
Full Body A
Tuesday: Full Body B
Wednesday: Full Body C
Thursday: Full Body D
Friday: Full Body E
Weekend: Rest, walking, mobility, or recreational activity.


Day A – Squat Emphasis

Goblet or Front Squat


3 × 8–12

Flat Dumbbell Bench Press

3 × 8–12

Chest-Supported Dumbbell Row

3 × 10–15

Romanian Deadlift

2 × 10–12

Dumbbell Lateral Raise

2 × 15–20

Standing Calf Raise

2 × 15–20


Day B – Hinge Emphasis

Romanian Deadlift


3 × 8–12

Incline Dumbbell Press

3 × 8–12

Pull-Ups or Chin-Ups

3 × 6–10

Bulgarian Split Squat

2 × 8–12 each leg

Hammer Curl

2 × 10–15

Overhead Dumbbell Triceps Extension

2 × 10–15


Day C – Moderate Recovery Day

Box Squat or Light Back Squat


2 × 10–12

Push-Ups (weighted if needed)

3 × 10–20

One-Arm Dumbbell Row

3 × 10–15

Hip Thrust

3 × 10–15

Rear Delt Fly

2 × 15–20

Farmer Carry

3 × 30–45 seconds


Day D – Strength-Hypertrophy Blend

Back Squat


3 × 6–8

Dumbbell Bench Press

3 × 8–12

Pull-Ups

3 × 6–10

Dumbbell Romanian Deadlift

2 × 10–12

Lateral Raise

2 × 15–20

Curl Variation

2 × 10–15


Day E – Joint-Friendly Pump Day

Split Squat


3 × 10–12 each leg

Incline Dumbbell Press

3 × 10–15

Chest-Supported Row

3 × 10–15

Dumbbell Shoulder Press

2 × 10–12

Triceps Extension

2 × 12–15

Dumbbell Curl

2 × 12–15

Calf Raise

2 × 15–20


Time Management

To stay under 30 minutes, perform these pairings:

A

  • Squat ↔ Bench
  • Row ↔ RDL
  • Lateral Raise ↔ Calves
B

  • RDL ↔ Incline Press
  • Pull-Up ↔ Split Squat
  • Curl ↔ Triceps
C

  • Squat ↔ Push-Up
  • Row ↔ Hip Thrust
  • Rear Delt ↔ Farmer Carry
D

  • Squat ↔ Bench
  • Pull-Up ↔ RDL
  • Lateral Raise ↔ Curl
E

  • Split Squat ↔ Incline Press
  • Row ↔ Shoulder Press
  • Curl ↔ Triceps

Recovery Guidelines for Lifters in Their Late 70s

  • Train hard, but avoid grinding reps.
  • If a joint feels irritated, reduce load and increase reps (12–20 range).
  • Prioritize sleep and protein intake (roughly 1.2–1.6 g/kg body weight daily if medically appropriate).
  • Every 4–6 weeks, take a lighter week and reduce volume by about 30–40%.
  • If recovery becomes an issue, reduce to 4 days per week rather than reducing exercise quality.


My Question: Why there is no split training: UB, LB, Body parts?



There absolutely can be. The reason I suggested full-body training is that your goals and circumstances point that way:

You're not bulking, so maximizing recovery and maintaining/increasing muscle with moderate volume is often more important than maximizing weekly workload.

At 78, many lifters recover better from spreading volume across the week rather than crushing one body part in a single session.

You want to train 5 days/week for only 30 minutes, which naturally lends itself to frequent, shorter exposures to each muscle group.

Research generally shows that, when weekly volume is matched, training a muscle 2–3+ times per week is at least as effective for hypertrophy as a traditional "body-part day."

That said, if you're an experienced lifter and enjoy split routines, there's nothing inherently inferior about them. In fact, adherence and enjoyment matter a lot.

The challenge with body-part splits in 30-minute sessions​

A classic bodybuilding split:

Monday: Chest

Tuesday: Back

Wednesday: Legs

Thursday: Shoulders

Friday: Arms

works best when sessions are often 45–90 minutes. With only 30 minutes, it's hard to accumulate enough quality volume for a single body part without rushing.

A more practical 5-day split for you​

Day 1: Upper A

DB Bench Press 3×8–12

Pull-Ups 3×6–10

DB Shoulder Press 2×8–12

DB Curl 2×10–15

Day 2: Lower A

Back Squat 3×6–10

Romanian Deadlift 3×8–12

Calf Raise 3×15–20

Day 3: Push

Incline DB Press 3×8–12

DB Bench Press 3×10–12

Lateral Raise 3×15–20

Triceps Extension 2×10–15

Day 4: Pull

Pull-Ups 3×6–10

Chest-Supported Row 3×10–15

Rear Delt Fly 3×15–20

Hammer Curl 2×10–15

Day 5: Lower B

Front Squat 3×8–12

Bulgarian Split Squat 3×8–12

Hip Thrust 3×10–15

Calf Raise 2×15–20

This gives each muscle group roughly twice-weekly stimulation, which is usually a sweet spot for hypertrophy.

What I'd do personally for your profile​

If you:

recover well,

have decades of lifting experience,

enjoy bodybuilding-style training,

I'd choose an Upper / Lower / Push / Pull / Legs split over pure full-body training.

If you:

occasionally have joint flare-ups,

notice recovery isn't what it was 20 years ago,

want the most sustainable long-term approach,

I'd choose 4–5 days of full-body or upper/lower-focused training.
 
I'd choose an Upper / Lower / Push / Pull / Legs split over pure full-body training.
I like that split! It looks as though the sessions would be short enough to add-on with mobility, core, cardio, etc. to have a lot of variety in each day.

I've been breaking up chapters in LMRE2 with Handbrake to create a variety of shorter add-ons. These would work well with that rotation.
 
like that split! It looks as though the sessions would be short enough to add-on
Agree with you, it gives better variety than all days full body and no bulking is required though! As the AI agent wrote: adherence and enjoyment matter a lot!
breaking up chapters in LMRE2 with Handbrake
Sent a request, and a subsequent explanation, to Support asking for duration and/or timestamps for all digital LMR2E files. From those you extracted, only the dynamic flexibility is accurate, the other two have time glitches!; so be aware! Hope they will send the data at some time!
 
If you were to follow AI's advice, which STS 2.0 titles (premixes, full, etc.) would you use, with the limitation of only having the DVDs and their premixes available (no workout blender)?

It's useful to know what body parts you're looking to target, but for a STS 2.0-specific series rotation, that's what I'm aiming for in this thread discussion. Probably not have it be so age-specific, either. (Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'm peri-menopausal.)

You don't have to research all of that, but just curious, for instance, if you were to do the "Day 3 Push" workout as a sample, are you saying you'd use Body Parts Chest & Triceps and skip past all the exercises in the workouts not in the plan and then pop in the Shoulders workout to do the lateral raises? (And at that point, why even bother using the STS 2.0 workouts at all - just have your notes down, pop on some good music, and do the exercises without following along. Like, the above suggestions are great for a gym workout, for example.)
 
If you were to follow AI's advice, which STS 2.0 titles (premixes, full, etc.) would you use
My understanding is that the Gemini agent meant you'll pick up premixes from STS 2.0 workouts that cover the body parts listed in its proposal, which actually might be the whole original workout. Need to note that the Gemini used is the free one, which has the lowest intelligence level and is known to be good at making horrible mistakes and getting confused. You may ask ChatGPT instead, even the free one, particulary if you log in to your free account has a higher level of intelligence compared with Gemini.

Take also into account that those systems are not specifically loyal to Cathe workouts. They use a huge space of information and just pick up the best match to the text of your prompt! So, we should not much rely on them for the best advice but they can provide interesting hints to make use of!
 
(And at that point, why even bother using the STS 2.0 workouts at all - just have your notes down, pop on some good music, and do the exercises without following along. Like, the above suggestions are great for a gym workout, for example.)
I've been experimenting with paper workouts and using my own music playlists to do workouts similar to what Nabbe47 &AI, Abi Champion, Stacy Sims, and the NROL books suggest. I often substitute more familiar to me exercises as their programs are often design for fully kitted gyms. I still enjoy and prefer follow-along video workouts myself. I'm currently experimenting with HandBrake to divide up the chapters of the Fusion workouts in LMR/LMRE2 to use various chapters as Add-ons. I don't like devoting so much time in one session for say Balance, or Core, or even Mobility. I'd prefer shorter Add-ons so I can reap the benefits on a daily basis without having such long workouts. It's actually much simplier than I thought and I'm now even happier with these workouts since I have simple Add-ons from various chapters for Core, Balance and Mobility. I'm ripping the warm-ups and cool-downs too so I can use them in STS2.0 since those warm-ups and cool-downs are too short for me. I could just swap out the discs as I go through my workout though so it's not completely necessary, but this way they'll all be together and I don't have to do as much swapping of discs. I'm thinking I might also use HandBrake down-the-road to divide up weight-lifting routines too - a free blender so-to-speak. So far, this is eliminating my little craving for Cathe's On-Demand as the blender is what I would use it for most since I have all the dvds.
 
Take also into account that those systems are not specifically loyal to Cathe workouts. They use a huge space of information and just pick up the best match to the text of your prompt! So, we should not much rely on them for the best advice but they can provide interesting hints to make use of!
I've noticed this when I've asked AI to help with rotations or to compare/contrast various ones published. As in the suggest rotation, it includes Chest-Supported Row. I don't think Cathe has ever used the bench for Rows; she has used it for chest-supported rear delts but it's just not comfortable for many women, especially using the StepBench (too wide). But using the suggestions as framework is doable. I really like the Plug 'n Play concepts in the NROL rotations and Abi Champion's rotations. However,I still enjoy my follow-along DVDs too.
 
Agree with you, it gives better variety than all days full body and no bulking is required though! As the AI agent wrote: adherence and enjoyment matter a lot!

Sent a request, and a subsequent explanation, to Support asking for duration and/or timestamps for all digital LMR2E files. From those you extracted, only the dynamic flexibility is accurate, the other two have time glitches!; so be aware! Hope they will send the data at some time!
So far, it was accurate for Dynamic Flexibility & Core for me. It was also good for extracting the core work from Hiit Fusion for a little Add-on Core. And I just finished my Add-ons from Balance Fusion with no problems (except that little balance test - I don't know where that chaptered disappered to, lol). I'm about to move on to the Elevated Mobility. Maybe the dvd chapters and the downloads are different. Supposedly you can see the chapters in the downloads with the VLC Media Player app - maybe try that.
 

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